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#1 dragonei

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 07:05 PM

Well para sa akin Ok yan na gawing mandatory uli. Afterall its good to have a course that instills good old fashioned military discipline, and afterall its also good to learn stuff like making the other poor bastard die for country and cause. In fact in korea, students are required to do service in the army for at least two years. They live in the barracks, they dress up like soldiers, and they get issued a firearm, the whole nine yards. Because of programs like this, their armed forces are strong. Unfortunately for me having undertaken the program I do not believe that it has strengthened our military, neither do I believe that it promotes patriotism and all that other bullsh!t objectives they said. Heck if it did eh di sana hangang ngayon mandatory pa rin ang ROTC.

But don't get me wrong I am all for it. I do want to have a program like this under the following conditions.

1.) Those that handle the program must have a clear curicculum of the course, heck they should have a syllabus the way PE does. The Cadettes should learn something tangible like for petes sake! how not to get shot by the enemy, how to handle battle wounds, how to fire a weapon etc., how to handle himself in hand to hand combat. Hindi puro matrsa martsa na lang at pagbibilad sa araw anu naman kaya natututunan ng mga cadete dun? sus!

2.) The ROTC department should never enjoy complete autonomy from the policies of the school itself. Any anomaly they make, they should be also subjected to investigation. If they create income generating project i.e. uniforms, boots, et. al they should follow proper bidding procedures of the schools. Kaya ang dami dami noong mga sundalong gusto maging ROTC commandant, kasi pwede sila mangurakot at nageenjoy sila ng autonomy. Pati tuloy cadets, nagiging corupt dahil sa mga gagong ROTC commandant.

3.) There should be a clear guideline for conduct of a proper officer and a gentleman. Ang hirap ito ang pina hindi nasusunod, the program should train officers that will help defend this country and not create bullies behind ranks. Kadalasan pa nga nananakit sila ng kadete just for the fun of it kahit minsan wala na naman yun kinalaman sa training nila. I mean sure, no pain no gain, paminsan minsan kelangan mo magpa push up man lang kung walang disiplina kadete mo, but officers should also know that a rank is not a license to bully your subordinates. I mean its the officers duty to protect his men, not to be the first one to k*ll them, especially when they go out of line. All physical punishments or otherwise should be done in context with the training itself. Hindi yung dadalhin mo pa sa bahay mo yung incoming officer para gawing katulong.

4.) Cadet officers should maintain a grade requirement like varsity players do.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 07:32 PM

Unfortunately for me having undertaken the program I do not believe that it has strengthened our military, neither do I believe that it promotes patriotism and all that other bullsh!t objectives they said. Heck if it did eh di sana hangang ngayon mandatory pa rin ang ROTC.


The problem with this is that a lot of the kids wouldn't take this seriously and I'm sure that a lot of them would protest on this. They'll just come up with lame excuses why this shouldn't be mandatory....I agree with the conditions you pointed out...Mababali wala lang yung ROTC kung incompetent din naman pala yung mga mag hahandle at mag ffacilitate...

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 09:16 PM

i think ROTC is a good experience for everyone.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 10:01 PM

No way!

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 01:15 AM

me too!

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 09:49 AM

ok yan. kung ako nahirapan dapat sila din! :P

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 10:23 AM

ok lng sakin. its a way to gain discipline.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 02:07 PM

Tsaka isa pa, pwede ba turuan naman ng mga cadet officers that its pronound "God Damn It!" Not "gatdemit!"

Hindi ko maintindihan why cadet officers tend to make a point by ending and beggining their sentence with "gatdemit!"

"Gatdemit! were are you going?"
"gatedemit! gib me tu wiks"
"gatdem yu! be quiet gtdemit"
"wer is yur gadem tickler gatdemit!"

Jesus H. Christ! its one thing to take the lords name in vane, and it worse if you mispronounce it, and it definetly the worst if you keep saying it believeing that it will eventually add inches to your dick!

Seriously, cadet officers say "gatdemit" like it adds inches to their dick.

What cadet officers seem not to understand is that you do not need to bully your subordinates to get them to follow you. All you need is for them to respect you.

I remember when we were having a tactical inspection, the inspecting officer asked the platoon leader who was the commander in chief (the president duh!), eh sumagot ba naman yung gago na "Sir pasensya na po hindi ko alam". The inspectiong officer of course was furious because in the first place a soldier should never say "I don't know sir, but I will try to find out sir". We couldn't of course help but at least grin.

And what did he say to his platoon next? Eh di anu pa kundi "Gatdemit! drop and gib me 3 wiks!"

But in fairness there are good cadet officers. Strict ( I mean one at least has to be in a military), but at least reasonable. And most of all shows genuine skills and intellegence.

I mean would I trust my life in the battlefield to a halfwit moron platoon leader who does not even know that his commander in chief is no less than the president? ugh! I bet kung sa gyera nga siya yung huling lulusob at mauunang magretreat

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 05:57 PM

it was unfortunate that i was one of the students who had to undergo that ROTC program (1990-1992). i don't know how the other schools go about the subject but back then in San Beda, we have ROTC simultaeneously with students from CEU. for me, it's was just a bunch of crap, total waste of time and money. again, as i've said, i don't know about the other schools and i am talking of my time then. i just paid off my absences, and red tape was everywhere. so please, don't talk to me about discipline when the people supposed to be teaching us that were the ones with the fat bellies sitting behind their office desks with the electric fan whirring (ha! imagine the common scene :P ). they never got the respect of 95% of the cadets. they only attend because they needed to. :thumbsdownsmiley:


again, this is based on my personal experience and my own perspective on the matter.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 10:18 PM

Kung sakaling ibalik yan, meron at meron dyan na magbabayad para di na gumising ng maaga tuwing linngo.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 11:42 PM

Sino ba ang may final say kung ibalik ang ROTC? DEC? Congress?

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 11:41 AM

it was unfortunate that i was one of the students who had to undergo that ROTC program (1990-1992). i don't know how the other schools go about the subject but back then in San Beda, we have ROTC simultaeneously with students from CEU. for me, it's was just a bunch of crap, total waste of time and money. again, as i've said, i don't know about the other schools and i am talking of my time then. i just paid off my absences, and red tape was everywhere. so please, don't talk to me about discipline when the people supposed to be teaching us that were the ones with the fat bellies sitting behind their office desks with the electric fan whirring (ha! imagine the common scene :P ). they never got the respect of 95% of the cadets. they only attend because they needed to. :thumbsdownsmiley:
again, this is based on my personal experience and my own perspective on the matter.


Oh same here compadre!

Actually sa more developed na countries, huling grumagraduate yung lalake because they need to serve the military for at least one or two years. As in the whole nine yards, you get to stay in the camp and get issued a weapon. And you do actual service.

Sa pilipinas, mga commandants at yung mga kasabwat lang na cadet officers ang me pakinabang dyan. Ultimo snacks ng mga cadete sa kanila pa dapat. Pag kumuha ka sa canteen its "Drop and gib me two wiks gatdemit". Pagf nagpatahi ka ng uniform dun sa hindi nila kasosyo, tatakutin ka na idrodrop sila.

This was the time when the ROTC units were not regulated. They were not required to submit a curiculum, they were always overlooked somehow, s@%t the quality of learning was not even supervised. Putsa kung ang PE teacher nga dumadaan sa student evaluation, eh bakit ang ROTC commandants and instructors hindi?

And it took one UST student para mamatay pa to trigger an alaram.

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 03:47 PM

it was unfortunate that i was one of the students who had to undergo that ROTC program (1990-1992). i don't know how the other schools go about the subject but back then in San Beda, we have ROTC simultaeneously with students from CEU. for me, it's was just a bunch of crap, total waste of time and money. again, as i've said, i don't know about the other schools and i am talking of my time then. i just paid off my absences, and red tape was everywhere. so please, don't talk to me about discipline when the people supposed to be teaching us that were the ones with the fat bellies sitting behind their office desks with the electric fan whirring (ha! imagine the common scene :P ). they never got the respect of 95% of the cadets. they only attend because they needed to. :thumbsdownsmiley:
again, this is based on my personal experience and my own perspective on the matter.


Same situation in UST bro, in my case I only took 1 sem of ROTC when I wan in my 1st year, the rests were just paid, I can't remember exactly how much but I think it was something like 500 pesos per sem (1988 & 89).

One think I hate also with this is the Sunday whole day training, pucha un na nga lang time na makakagising ng medyo late, un pa ung time na maagang-maaga gigising para ibilad lang kayo sa araw.

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 04:18 PM

hindi n siguro kailangan ibalik un, sabi nga sa previous post ito ang great example ng corruption...discipline?i don't think so...kupalan lang ang nangyayari jan eh...ang mga officers akala mo kung sino...mabibilad kayo sa araw ng puro martsa, upo...at kung ano ano lang...ayun cguro lalakas ang stamina mo...and cguro kya binibilad sa araw eh para magutom and shempre kailangan mo bumili ng juice or tubig kaya instant kita ulit ang mga officers kasi sila rin ang nagbebenta...ahihihihihi...what a heck!

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 06:16 PM

There was a time masyadong confident noon ang mga ROTC commandants. Sabi nila tangalin na ang constitution pero ang ROTC hindi matatangal. O loko! they were dead wrong about that one! Ngayon may NSTP na. Sa totoo lang mas marami pang nagawa yung NSTP program kesa ROTC. At least yun required sila to do something civic. After that incident with UST it really became a wake up call kung kelangan nga ng mga college students ang ROTC. Ang dami pang lumabas na anumalya sa mga comandants and officers alike.

Lalo na yung mga cadet officers kuno, ang yayabang pag datin sa classroom, akala mo kung mga sino, eh ang bobobo naman pala.

Tingin ko kung magkakaroon grade requirement para maging officer ka, ni hindi magiging tarantado ang mga yan. Anak ng tokwa basta lang naman you are ready to be harassed physically and psychologically, cadet officer ka na.

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 10:37 PM

I learned more about survival training from the Aetas -- & have more respect for them -- than the ROTC. Pweh!

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 12:05 AM

They can make ROTC mandatory if they fulfill the following requirements:

1. Make sure that the AFP can provide uniforms to all cadets, and that means at least two sets: combat and parade. As it is, cadets have to pay for their own uniforms, which should not be the case. I am told even para-military units have to pay for their own uniforms, which should not be the case.

2. Provide real weapons, not wooden props. And provide at least armalites, not older weapons. Make sure that there is target practice weekly, and the AFP must pay for everything, including transport, ammo, etc.

3. Provide real equipment, not theory. These include artillery for arty units, radio equipment, bivouac gear, transport and combat vehicles, med kits, etc.

4. Use drill instructors, not cadets.

5. Provide specialised training, including the use of specific assault weapons various exercises (blank, live-fire, etc.).

6. Provide insurance and provisions for medical aid.

Again, everything must be paid for by the military. Cadets or their schools should not pay for anything.

Finally,

7. Provide everything mentioned above to all AFP soldiers first.

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 12:56 AM

Should be mandatory kaya lang early source of corruption, wag na lang. Another reason to feel sorry for the country. :(

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 01:31 AM

swerte ko di ko na naabutan yung rotc na mandatory. pero yung CAT sa highschool ayusin din nila. teka, mandatory pa ba yung CAT sa highschool? hehehe... masama rin kasi karanasan ko sa CAT....

manyak yung CAT commandant, maaangas yung mga officers, bias yung pagpili sa mga officers, ala kaming natututunan.. puro bilad lang. tinuruan lang kami kung pano magmartsa. talagang walang kwenta. mas excitting pa kapag tumatalon kami sa likod ng school at nakikipaghabulan sa guard. bwehehehehe...

nakwento nga pala nung kaibigan ko sa mapua, yung ROTC nila dun pagtitimplahin ka pa ng kape at gagawa ng sandwich. hahahahaha...

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 10:57 AM

I think its ok.. ROTC for me defined a new meaning on the word camaraderie and discipline.

and its a good experience too.

dati ayaw ko din yan. sobrang naghaharap ako ng paraan para makaiwas..

but then nung nagstart na, I felt a different part of myself come out of me..

and friends I gained on the training are some of the friends I value most..

thats just me of course..





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