Free Tuition For State Universities And Colleges

[stealthfighter]

It benefits all Filipinos if we wisely invest on Filipino students who have the qualifications to give the best return on our investment, instead of wasting them on a lot of average students who don't really care if they learn something or not.

 

The problem here is simple math. As I have mentioned, only a minority of Filipino students "have the qualifications to give the best return on our investment." The remaining majority are comprised of either students who are not bad but just don't have an exceptional intellectual capacity, or students who practically don't care about learning. If we are going to invest only on students who "have the qualifications to give the best return on our investment" then it's not going to be any different from the current system we have right now which disproportionately benefits people who are already in the middle or high class of the society (where most though not all intelligent students tend to come from).

[jacuzzi]

There is a huge confusion with the function of education in this country. I believe that the administration needs to set the example to change that. Many indigent families send their kids to school in order to give them better opportunities and uplift their status from poverty. Keeping the youth off the streets and making sure that their lives are NOT WASTED are defined clearly by the president himself in his anti-drugs campaign.

 

This Drugs Campaign is commendable worldwide because of President Duterte's leadership in defining his reason that we are a poor country and children are the basic means to protect and uplift the basic family institution, which is at the core of his policy. The sooner these children attain productivity, the better for the country.

 

The poor show of street rally of young people at the SONA is a warning against productivity. Families do not send their children to school to make them street parliamentarians and revolutionaries who may eventually turn violent. The youth is void of experience and in this case, they lack common sense or simple feedback on the history of their political (Maoist) stance.

I mean China's modern progress is centred on accommodating industrial opportunity that demolished this Labor power structure. Yes, it was this Labor power block that destroyed sustainability of industrial factories in countries like the USA and the Philippines. Filipinos do not have local jobs due to the unreasonable dictatorship of Labor which denies everybody opportunities. They were the reasons why many factories closed and the destruction of a lot of established industries. This administration got industrial pledges for new factories but this cannot materialize under a condition of street unrest and Organized Labor resisting infusion of Capital in the guise of nationalism. These street activities are simply counterproductive to government effort.

 

In the meantime students in schools are confused as to the reason why they get an education. These students fail to see that they have an opportunity to move out of being stuck in a lifelong career as laborers. These students fail to see that their families are being pulled down into poverty and permanently cemented in a Labor status, under the power and influence of Union leaders who have been poor students and cannot establish any form of lucrative work outside socialism.

[baMbee🐝]

Free education is a right given that we're paying taxes

Budget is limited

Corruption sis another story

Limit it to those who deserve it

[daphne loves derby]

this is one of the many options:

 

Source funds for free tertiary education from 3 underperforming agencies – Nograles

http://news.mb.com.ph/2017/08/10/source-funds-for-free-tertiary-education-from-3underperforming-agencies-nograles/

 

Funding for free tertiary education should be sourced from three underperforming government agencies, House Appropriations Chairman and Davao City 1st District Rep. Karlo Nograles said Thursday.

 

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Rep. Karlo Nograles
(MANILA BULLETIN)

 

Nograles identified the Departments of Information and Communications (DICT), of Transportation (DOTr), and of Agrarian Reform (DAR) as the agencies he believes can absorb the budget cuts for the sake of the implementation of Republic Act (RA) 10931, the “Universal Access to Quality Tertiary Education Act.”

He described the three government agencies as “low in absorptive capacity” and “sluggish in the enforcement of projects and programs.”

RA 10931 provides tuition-free education in 114 State Universities and Colleges (SUCs), 16 Local Universities and Colleges (LUCs) accredited by Commission on Higher Education (CHED) and 122 Technical-Vocational Institutions (TVIs) under the Technical Education and Skills Development Authority (TESDA).

Nograles said that at least P37.5 billion worth of funds could be sourced from these three departments and act as a “standby fund” once the free college education program is fully implemented.

He noted that during the budget briefing of the DICT, he found out that the agency has P2.7 billion of unused appropriations in 2016 and another P2.695 billion in unused appropriations in 2017.

“These funds will expire on December 31, 2017 and I doubt very much if DICT will be able to utilize these funds before the year ends,” the congressman said, adding that another P5 billion and P30 billion can be sourced from the respective budgets of DAR and the DOTr.

Edited August 11, 2017 by daphne loves derby

[camiar]

 

The problem here is simple math. As I have mentioned, only a minority of Filipino students "have the qualifications to give the best return on our investment." The remaining majority are comprised of either students who are not bad but just don't have an exceptional intellectual capacity, or students who practically don't care about learning. If we are going to invest only on students who "have the qualifications to give the best return on our investment" then it's not going to be any different from the current system we have right now which disproportionately benefits people who are already in the middle or high class of the society (where most though not all intelligent students tend to come from).

Your logic is flawed.

 

What you don't seem to understand is that free college education is a privilege, not a right.

 

You don't seem to understand simple math, as well. See the simple math calculations below:

 

There are approximately 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old. About 7 Million of them are from poor families and 3 million are from middle and upper class. If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

Take note:

 

Tuition Fees for acceptable quality college education for these 1.3 million students alone will already cost the government at least PhP 65 Billion pesos investment per year.

Edited August 11, 2017 by camiar

[Gwen Morales]

Investment!

 

Perfect term for this "Free" education.

 

Ano pang in eme ng mga tao?

[stealthfighter]

Your logic is flawed.

 

What you don't seem to understand is that free college education is a privilege, not a right.

 

You don't seem to understand simple math, as well. See the simple math calculations below:

 

There are approximately 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old. About 7 Million of them are from poor families and 3 million are from middle and upper class. If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

Take note:

 

Tuition Fees for acceptable quality college education for these 1.3 million students alone will already cost the government at least PhP 65 Billion pesos investment per year.

 

Bro, I think you are the one who has a flawed logic in here. Allow me to break down your argument.

 

FACT: There are 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old of age.

 

FACT: 7 million out of those 10 million are from poor families and the remaining 3 million from the middle to upper class.

 

ACCORDING TO CAMIAR: If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

There lies the big flaw in your logic, your statement begins with an "if" which implies it may happen or may not happen. What if just 2% of the poor students would qualify for the free tuition, we may never know of course unless we implement such policy. Better yet, how can you be so certain that at least 20% of those poor students would qualify for it. I am very much aware of these factors because having been a teacher for 10 years, I've seen just how much poor students are disproportionately at a disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities in the tertiary level.

 

WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON: I agree with you that free college education is a matter of privilege and not a right. What I would like to point out is that the proposed policy will be no better than what we have today which barely benefits the poor people simply because a lot of them may not have the qualifications to avail such privilege. I am of the opinion that the best way to extend the opportunity of tertiary education to the poor is through an optional student loan. That way, whatever money the government will spend will eventually pay off (literally) in the future. Those who can pay for college will simply pay for it and those who cannot can simply avail of the loan.

[camiar]

 

Bro, I think you are the one who has a flawed logic in here. Allow me to break down your argument.

 

FACT: There are 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old of age.

 

FACT: 7 million out of those 10 million are from poor families and the remaining 3 million from the middle to upper class.

 

ACCORDING TO CAMIAR: If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

There lies the big flaw in your logic, your statement begins with an "if" which implies it may happen or may not happen. What if just 2% of the poor students would qualify for the free tuition, we may never know of course unless we implement such policy. Better yet, how can you be so certain that at least 20% of those poor students would qualify for it. I am very much aware of these factors because having been a teacher for 10 years, I've seen just how much poor students are disproportionately at a disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities in the tertiary level.

 

WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON: I agree with you that free college education is a matter of privilege and not a right. What I would like to point out is that the proposed policy will be no better than what we have today which barely benefits the poor people simply because a lot of them may not have the qualifications to avail such privilege. I am of the opinion that the best way to extend the opportunity of tertiary education to the poor is through an optional student loan. That way, whatever money the government will spend will eventually pay off (literally) in the future. Those who can pay for college will simply pay for it and those who cannot can simply avail of the loan.

The flawed premise in your logic is that free tuition benefits the middle class more than the poor. Your premise is flawed because our tax spending on free tuition should be invested only to Filipino students who qualify -- not because they are poor, but because they have the brains and the right attitude to put our investment to good use.

 

I think you were just holding back on outright saying that the benefits should favor the poor while the middle class and the rich should not benefit from free tuition.

 

If we are giving free tuition benefits, we should give it to ALL FILIPINO students who qualify, REGARDLESS OF SOCIAL STATUS.

 

All the rest who didn't qualify will have to avail of other ways of financing his/her college education through grants, scholarship, educational loans, and good old-fashioned blood-sweat-and-tears of their parents.

Edited August 12, 2017 by camiar

[stealthfighter]

The flawed premise in your logic is that free tuition benefits the middle class more than the poor. Your premise is flawed because our tax spending on free tuition should be invested only to Filipino students who qualify -- not because they are poor, but because they have the brains and the right attitude to put our investment to good use.

 

I think you were just holding back on outright saying that the benefits should favor the poor while the middle class and the rich should not benefit from free tuition.

 

If we are giving free tuition benefits, we should give it to ALL FILIPINO students who qualify, REGARDLESS OF SOCIAL STATUS.

 

All the rest who didn't qualify will have to avail of other ways of financing his/her college education through grants, scholarship, educational loans, and good old-fashioned blood-sweat-and-tears of their parents.

I only want to point out that such practice (which will likely benefit most of the middle-upper class) basically defeats the purpose of free education in the first place. Why would you institute free tuition in the first place, basically to expand the reach of education to those who cannot afford it which is why socialist groups are clamoring for it. By merely making it exclusive to those who deserve it (most likely to come from middle-upper class) is basically a waste of resources since these people can pay for their education anyway with or without government assistance. That is why I don't think the policy of giving free tuition only to students who deserve it (by academic qualifications) does not make any sense in the long run since it will not address the educational needs of those people who need the most.

[conan the barbarian]

I agree with Sen Lacson when he said that free college tuition should benefit deserving poor students.

[daphne loves derby]

Free college education fund now complete

http://news.mb.com.ph/2017/09/21/free-college-education-fund-now-complete/

 

The House of Representatives (HOR) has gathered enough funds for the full implementation of Republic Act (RA) 10931 or the Universal Access to Quality Tertiary Education Act, Rep. Karlo Nograles bared Thursday.

“I’m happy to announce we’ve found P40 billion to finance the free higher education [law] for 2018,” Nograles, Chairman of the House Committee on Appropriations, told reporters in a press conference

“We got P30 billion from the Department of Education (DepEd) for their school building program particularly those with problems on their no buildable space, no vacant lot…we were able to carve out P30 billion from that budget.

“The rest: from the Department of Transportation (DOTr), there are two projects there in the detailed engineering planning…it’s an ODA (Official Development Assistance) project, it is the EDSA BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) project and the Quezon Avenue BRT project. So both of them combined [and] we were able to get P3 billion to add to the free higher education [fund],” Nograles said.

Apart from that, HOR was able to raise P6 billion from various scholarship programs embedded in the SUCs and CHED.

“We also had various reductions in the projects of the DICT (Department of Information and Communications Technology) for ICT systems and infrastructure. So all in all, we were able to raise P40 billion,” Nograles said.

Edited September 28, 2017 by daphne loves derby

[ismaelmd]

I think the goverment has budget for this... So I believe this soon will be applied . Many NGO's are really helping in this kind of programs.

[blue+george]

my 3 cent opinion

 

its good that everyone has the right to free education. and since its already free, there shouldn't be any reason why not to up the standard. we should not be just an employee minded society, our young people should be educated not only to be become employees but also researchers and business owners and leaders. free education means correct and useful education. not just memorize. no just earning a diploma. it should constitute a higher consciousness such as being of service to the people rather than just to earn money, higher salary and bonuses. those educated by the state should give back to the society, maybe 1 hour free service in a week. or something to give back to those who supported your education. (each and every Filipino taxpayer) so I think free is good, but it should not be self centered (i.e. I graduate earn lots of dough and its my turn to close the door behind me so no one can follow attitude)

 

for those dumb idiot students that just wants to go to school and just fair it all day, looking for babes, looking for gimik, inom and bars, and shitty things, they should not be in school. they should be the ones begging in the streets. that's also a good point why the standard should be raised. to segregate the idiots from the hard working individuals that strive hard.

 

for those students that try hard and fail... you need to up your game. try something that is suitable for you... do not fool yourself. (education is free, I want to become a lawyer.) good! but do understand that its not just complete attendance and good looks that will bring you to the finish line. you need to know what is your own capacity to learn, what are you good at and what can you do best. do not force all things. you may not be good at climbing trees but swim fast like a fish. find your forte.

 

for everyone else, free education is good. it also ensures that our children in the future will get educated. provided they want and eager to learn. I do support and cherish it.

[camiar]

my 3 cent opinion

 

its good that everyone has the right to free education. and since its already free, there shouldn't be any reason why not to up the standard. we should not be just an employee minded society, our young people should be educated not only to be become employees but also researchers and business owners and leaders. free education means correct and useful education. not just memorize. no just earning a diploma. it should constitute a higher consciousness such as being of service to the people rather than just to earn money, higher salary and bonuses. those educated by the state should give back to the society, maybe 1 hour free service in a week. or something to give back to those who supported your education. (each and every Filipino taxpayer) so I think free is good, but it should not be self centered (i.e. I graduate earn lots of dough and its my turn to close the door behind me so no one can follow attitude)

 

for those dumb idiot students that just wants to go to school and just fair it all day, looking for babes, looking for gimik, inom and bars, and shitty things, they should not be in school. they should be the ones begging in the streets. that's also a good point why the standard should be raised. to segregate the idiots from the hard working individuals that strive hard.

 

for those students that try hard and fail... you need to up your game. try something that is suitable for you... do not fool yourself. (education is free, I want to become a lawyer.) good! but do understand that its not just complete attendance and good looks that will bring you to the finish line. you need to know what is your own capacity to learn, what are you good at and what can you do best. do not force all things. you may not be good at climbing trees but swim fast like a fish. find your forte.

 

for everyone else, free education is good. it also ensures that our children in the future will get educated. provided they want and eager to learn. I do support and cherish it.

 

We have a right to have access to quality education

 

But free education is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.

 

One has to qualify in order to earn the privilege to get free education.

 

We should create a culture of merit -- where we reward those who excel.

 

The money we allocate for free education is our Nation's investment for the future generations. It should be allocated wisely.

[Maykeee]

Re: sa free tuition sa state universities and colleges, isa yan sa mga popondohan ng makokolektang dagdag tax dahil sa TRAIN Law along with the Marawi rehabilitation. Nakadepende kasi sa yearly collection ng tax kung may pang-subsidize ang government sa program na yan.