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[milo_chuck]

Hi TeeUp

 

If somebody has in his possession a Phil. passport for years before he got his naturalization paper. He has been travelling to places in europe, asia and america for years using the passport and was even able to obtain a US visa aside from other places that he go to that need visas. What is the legal implication. Thanks if you could enlighten me.

[TeeUp]

Hi TeeUp

 

If somebody has in his possession a Phil. passport for years before he got his naturalization paper. He has been travelling to places in europe, asia and america for years using the passport and was even able to obtain a US visa aside from other places that he go to that need visas. What is the legal implication. Thanks if you could enlighten me.

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otso_suabe, his pledging allegeance to another country caused him his Philippine citizenship. his naturalization need not be reported by his new country to the Philippine governement. if however, by any chance, the government learns of such naturalization, it shall revoke the passport issued to him. said revocation does not even require a court declaration of loss of citizenship.

 

again, retention of citizenship is not a function of issuance, renewal or use of a Philippine passport, but of a continued allegeance and loyalty to the Philippines as a state. conversely, the passport does not vest Philippine citizenship. niether does it restore one's Philippine citizenship when lost due to naturalization and pledging loyalty to another flag.

 

the fact that he had been issued visas from other countries using the Philippine passport does not change the fact that he had lost his Philippine citizenship. as we know, countries do not keep a registry of names of citizens of every country in the entire world, hence, just relies on the validity of a passport shown to them.

 

besides, a passport is more of a document of one's identity than of his citizenship.

 

hope this explains the issue quite a bit.

[bigbang theory]

happy balentayms mga kumpanyero y kumpanyeras!!!

[milo_chuck]

Thanks for your immediate reply to my question but sorry I fail to express my question properly.

The main point is the person I am referring to has been using a Phil. passport to travel and obtain visas even though his is not a filipino yet. His naturalization paper to become a filipino has just been apprpved recently. Can this be a falsification of public document, meaning to say he is not yet a filipino but has a Phil. passport. Can the countries that he obtain visas under the guise of being a filipino go afterhim legally since obviously the passport that he is using is fake or a real one but using fake documents to get it. What if he use his new naturalization paper to obtain a real passport does it absolve him legally whether here in the phil. and/or the countries he been to.

Thank you again for your response

[johndoe]

maraming salamat sayo tee cup, akoy naliwanagan sayong mga paliwanag

 

Mga abogadong de kampamilya, meron ba ritong pwede akong matulungan sa pagproceso ng papeles ng aking asawa(dual citizenship) may bayad man o wala, hehehe (sana Pro Bono)

[TeeUp]

Thanks for your immediate reply to my question but sorry I fail to express my question properly.

The main point is the person I am referring to has been using a Phil. passport to travel and obtain visas even though his is not a filipino yet.  His naturalization paper to become a filipino has just been apprpved recently. Can this be a falsification of public document, meaning to say he is not yet a filipino but has a Phil. passport. Can the countries that he obtain visas under the guise of being a filipino go afterhim legally since obviously the passport that he is using is fake or a real one but using fake documents to get it. What if he use his new naturalization paper to obtain a real passport does it absolve him legally whether here in the phil. and/or the countries he been to.

Thank you again for your response

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you're welcome, otso_suabe.

 

the right to admit foreigners largely depends on the prerogative of the admitting country. each state have different rules relative to fraud committed by foreigners in obtaining visas and other travel authorizations from them.

 

here in the US, if found out, fraud may result in a lifetime ban on any form of visa. under US rules, the fraud committed need not have to be in a manner that it constitutes a crime. it is enough that the applicant made material misrepresentations in prior applications.

[thunderboy123]

Dear Sirs,

 

Magtatanong lang po ako kung pwede makakuha or magpagawa ng affidavit of non-acceptance of academic insurance policy wordings lng. Mapapaterminate po kasi ng insurance plan, requirements po ito. Thanks in advance.

[TeeUp]

maraming salamat sayo tee cup,  akoy naliwanagan sayong mga paliwanag

 

Mga abogadong de kampamilya,  meron ba ritong pwede akong matulungan sa pagproceso ng papeles ng aking asawa(dual citizenship) may bayad man o wala, hehehe (sana Pro Bono)

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walang anuman, kapatid.

[milo_chuck]

you're welcome, otso_suabe.

 

the right to admit foreigners largely depends on the prerogative of the admitting country.  each state have different rules relative to fraud committed by foreigners in obtaining visas and other travel authorizations from them.

 

here in the US, if found out, fraud may result in a lifetime ban on any form of visa.  under US rules, the fraud committed need not have to be in a manner that it constitutes a crime.  it is enough that the applicant made material misrepresentations in prior applications.

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Thank you very much, when u say here in the US does it mean you are not in the Phil. Anither follow-up question. With regard to Phil. law, is he liable to falsification of public documents and what is the penalty?

[TeeUp]

Thank you very much, when u say here in the US does it mean you are not in the Phil. Anither follow-up question. With regard to Phil. law, is he liable to falsification of public documents and what is the penalty?

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no problem, and you're right i'm not in the Philippines right now.

 

going by the elements of falsification of public documents, he may be held liable for the crime. finding about it will however, be a little remote unless someone takes interest over his person and reports the act. off my head, i don't think our own bureau of immigration electronically monitors the entry and exit of every citizen when they place stamps on passports at the airport. the couple of times i was in and out of the country, i didn't see BID personnel scan passports to obtain records of citizens entering and leaving the country. a lot of times they are even more concern about "pasalubong?!??!?!?" more than anything else. so i wouldn't be surprised if a new and legitimate passport without the prior markings will not catch their attention.

Edited February 15, 2005 by TeeUp

[HimuraButosay]

try to have it checked sa gilmore ave., a service center located on the 2nd floor of a bldg in front of st. paul college, magaling sila and they dont charge much...mine got fixed less than half a day, usually transistor lang ang problem or an ic component...good luck bro

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bro,

 

do you have contact info ng service center na mention mo?

 

kindly PM me for the details

[HimuraButosay]

hi guys,

 

does anyone know of a good and reliable electronic repair/service center?

 

preferably within the vicinity of alabang or las piñas...

 

thanx

[marc.alan]

hey guys, whats a "windows protection error"

 

im running a win 98 machine, duron 1Ghz, 384 MB RAM (1 bank 256 + 1 bank 128) 32 MB GeFOrce2 video....

 

every time i access the ragnarok top up page, the screen spits out that messages, tels me to press any key to reboot. i press the enter key (i coudnt find the "any" key) and the PC beeps continuously until i press the reset button.

 

what gives? ngayon lang nangyari ito

[milo_chuck]

no problem, and you're right i'm not in the Philippines right now.

 

going by the elements of falsification of public documents, he may be held liable for the crime.  finding about it will however, be a little remote unless someone takes interest over his person and reports the act.  off my head, i don't think our own bureau of immigration electronically monitors the entry and exit of every citizen when they place stamps on passports at the airport.  the couple of times i was in and out of the country, i didn't see BID personnel scan passports to obtain records of citizens entering and leaving the country.  a lot of times they are even more concern about "pasalubong?!??!?!?" more than anything else.  so i wouldn't be surprised if a new and legitimate passport without the prior markings will not catch their attention.

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Thank you very much for your immediate reply to my inquiry, it's very enlightening. Are you an active lawyer and where do you practice and your field of specialty?

 

Thanks again kompanero.

[Kyle_Rayner]

To all those who replied, Thanks a lot guys and keep it up!