JUPITER Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 from my opinion, AMD AThlon XP will give you the best bang for the buck. the T-Bred generation and Barton Generation doesn't heat up that much na. Just use the appropriate fan and it will work fine. the HT of P4 is useless and was proved to degrade performance since most programs run on single threads. however, HT will be useful if programs will be accustomed to it, which is not the case as of this time. Suggestion lang, when u buy the processor, tell them not to include the fan(buy back value mga 100-200), then bili ka ng Thermaltake HSF, preferably made of copper. yung Dual DDR, nvidia Nforce2 ang initiator nyan. then ginaya ng Intel. The reason why dual ddr is because you need two sticks of the same type(64 Bit each), in Dual channel mode it adds up (128bit) making the processes faster. about your HDD, mas ok maxtor coz of the 133MB/sec rate nila. (sila lang meron nun), if u can find the 8mb cache, better, (the 8mb cache of WD is slower than its 2mb) with maxtor, its the other way around. try mong memory, Geil or Corsair. if u are lucky, get the TwinMos DDR333, its much faster and overclockable than its DDR400 variety (coz the JEDEC hasn't even appproved of this yet kaya wala pang standardization) ASUS is a good brand but if u are after performance, go with Abit (imported lang to) or Gigabyte. GForce4 Ti is good but ATI Radeon 9500 or 9600 is much much better ( i think on the same price range) kung may second hand na Radeon 9700, the better. good luck. Quote Link to comment
vicaner Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 jupiter thanks for the information, the thing is i'm a bit held down by being in saudi arabia, the people here selling pc's dont know jack s**t about what they're selling, as long there's an intel sticker on it, it must be good as far as they are concerned. could you perhaps post pc specs here of what you think would be an ideal system, like what I posted. With the brand of the mobo (i.e Asus P4P 800 deluxe i 865Pe) coz there's lots of Abit mobo's and i'll have to point it out to the guy so I need to have the full name and specification of whatever i'm ordering or they might give me something crappy. what's the name of the maxtor HD you said had 333mb/sec rate? i'll remember twinmoss DDR333, is spektek a good enough memory module? yun kasi ang laging available dito eh. If you get the chance to put up the specs, please include an alternative just in case the first choice isnt available, thanks! Quote Link to comment
JUPITER Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 sure bro, no prob AMD Athlon XP Tbred 2400+ (pag tinignan mo yung sticker nya, dapat ang umpisa "AXDA****" pag kabit sa Nforce2 Ultra board or KT600, unlocked na so you can overclock it to 2800XP+ no sweat. if marami ka talaga cash to spend, bili ka na ng Barton (333Mhz FSB) pero 2500 lang bilhin mo para ma-overclock mo ng maganda. since nasa Saudi ka, i assume malakas aircon mo, so ok lang talaga ang AMD. About sa fan, akala ko kasi nandito ka sa 'Pinas, but then tanong mo rin kung pwede rebate pag hindi mo sinama fan. dito kasi for an additional of 500, copper and Thermaltake TR2-m2 (Volcano 9 -11 ok din) fan ka na, na may expected lifetime of 50K-75K hours, mga 7yrs plus yun. pag may option, ask them to put Arctic Silver III(thermal paste) on the processor chip. about sa Mobo, ABIT NF7-S ver 2.0 Dual Channel, Nforce2 Ultra, soundstorm (ganda ng tunog nito, between Audigy and Audigy2 ang performance), Firewire etcgo to http://www.abit.com Gigabyte 7NNXP Nforce2 Ultra, soundstorm, dual bios (best for overclocking), Dual DDR, USB2.0, SATA, ASUS A7N8X De luxe version 2.0 yung ECS N2u400 ok din kahit mura lang kasi dual channel pa rin to. not recommended nga lang for overclocking. yung maxtor ang model nun: 6Y080L0- 2mb cache memory (common)6Y080P0- 8MB cache memory (mas ok) yung "P" ang sign na 8mb yung TwinMos, ang palatandaan nun, WinBond yung tatak ng chips then may nakalagay na "BH-6" this can go up to 240Mhz (installed with memory cooling kit, of course) that like 480Mhz! magkano ATI Radeon 9700 or 9500 jan? mas ok yun pre. DX9 compliant so lahat ng future games ok ang graphics, sa GF4 Ti, DX8.1 lang yun. good luck. Quote Link to comment
vicaner Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 jupiter thanks a lot bro, i havent fully read your post yet but i'm saving it and reading it at home so i could have more time to check things out. i've known about cooling fans and the like but i didnt know they were marketing the rigs i saw at thermaltake and artic, just checked out there site, ang galing!Radeon hasnt really taken a foothold here at KSA, puro Geforce cards and the occassional all-in-wonder ng radeon so Geforce talaga ang choice at the moment. Prices are actually higher here kasi hindi kagaya sa pinas na ang daming competition and most items are available, dito eh talagang hahanapin mo pa tapos ang kausap mo eh yung hunghang na pinipilit sa iyo yung di mo gusto para lang maka benta sila, hmmp! buwiset talaga!thanks, i'll post again tomorrow on my findings. Quote Link to comment
stpatr3k Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 May tanong ako ... anong pinaka ok, Php vs Performance na motherboard for Athlon considering andame na bagong specs ngayon? Quote Link to comment
matsutsu Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 jupiter thanks for the information, the thing is i'm a bit held down by being in saudi arabia, the people here selling pc's dont know jack s**t about what they're selling, as long there's an intel sticker on it, it must be good as far as they are concerned. could you perhaps post pc specs here of what you think would be an ideal system, like what I posted. With the brand of the mobo (i.e Asus P4P 800 deluxe i 865Pe) coz there's lots of Abit mobo's and i'll have to point it out to the guy so I need to have the full name and specification of whatever i'm ordering or they might give me something crappy. what's the name of the maxtor HD you said had 333mb/sec rate? i'll remember twinmoss DDR333, is spektek a good enough memory module? yun kasi ang laging available dito eh. If you get the chance to put up the specs, please include an alternative just in case the first choice isnt available, thanks! I saw somewhere in a website (tomshardware.com or extremetech.com) na yung 2.8 ghz C intel (OC) ay comparable sa perf with 3.2 ghz. yun ang binili ko kasi bihira lng ako bumili ng pc, every 3 yrs or so. (mahal kasi so i have to recover my investment) since HT is new wala pang OS fully utilizes its features. Yung XP, Win NT at Win2K will see 2 CPU.the application does not need to be aware that it's running on a pc with 2 processor. sa Windows, yung OS mo yung maghahandle ng interface between the application and the hardware. yung OS bahala mag-juggle ng mga tasks between 2 processors, therefore may performance gain. yup, tama depende din sa application. kung yung program mo eh number crunching like finding for the biggest prime then may advantage yung dual pro. pero kung net surfing or chatting lng....walang computation so no strain sa CPU. given that direction that intel started microsoft will likely to follow and fully support HT. Quote Link to comment
matsutsu Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Vicaner:nasa opis ako so I can't get the specs of my PC.dude, when ur buying a PC, the only thing that restricts u is ur budget.how much are you willing to spend for the fastest, greatest and baddest PC? before I buy, I set my limit. think how much you are willing to spend for each component. let's say ur limit is 50K, then ito yung probably breakdown:mobo - 10Kproc - 10Kvideo card - 5Kmonitor - 10Kmemory - 5Kmisc - 10K after you have set the limit for each component, then do ur research.research on each component and then see if they will fit ur budget.i-consider mo na din yung trip mo like gusto to mo ng HT so Intel na or kung gusto mo murang pro bili ka AMD para makabili ka ng magandang video card (Radeon 9700).then adjust mo yung list mo, u can subtract 1K from mobo and 1K from monitor para makabili kaw ng video card na 7K.once ur done with the list, u will get the best value for your budget. recommended sites: www.tomshardware.com www.extremetech.com Quote Link to comment
JUPITER Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 May tanong ako ... anong pinaka ok, Php vs Performance na motherboard for Athlon considering andame na bagong specs ngayon? pag mobo ng Athlon, isa lang ang chipset na ok ngayon, Nvidia Nforce2. However, dalawang clase to: nVidia Nforce2 400- single channelnVidia Nforce2 Ultra 400- dual channel (mas ok) dalawa rin ang southbridge nito: MCP- walang soundstormMCP-T-may soundstorm soundstorm is a must kung hindi ka pa bibili ng Audigy2. mas ok kasi ang sound performance ng Soundstorm to Audigy1. so, the best board should have Nforce2 Ultra 400+MCP-T kaso mahal na to. meron namang Nforce2 Ultra 400+MCP You can try ECS N2U400-A Nforce2 Ultra, Dual Channel, Audio, USB 2.0 mga Php3200 lang to. second Epox 8RDA3+ Nforce2 Ultra din. pwede na rin ASUS A7N8X De luxe ver 2.0 the best tlaga is ABIT NF7-S ver 2.0(imported lang) or Gigabyte 7NNXP (12K last i checked) mas ok performance nila kung gagamitin mong memory TwinMos DDR333 512MB x2 o kaya Geil or Corsair. wala nang ibang maganda, either not overclockable or madaling mamatay. goodluck. Quote Link to comment
bigbang theory Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 lionwing, Thanks for the pm. Hope they can help us. anytime..well, thats what big bro cats are for...*growl! Quote Link to comment
SeaWitch Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 BigBro lion-o, este lionwing pala hehe... I don't think the number that you sent is still active... Quote Link to comment
warz Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Guys magandang hapon sa inyo. It’s nice to learn that merong thread d2 sa MTC on computers, ang laking bagay para sa mga computer aficionados. Anyway pipol, can an I ask 4ur suggestions? Im planning kc to buy a computer, It will be for home use lang. Konting word processing, internet, and printing of pictures. But my primary reason for buying a computer is to watch movies and play games (especially the latest ones) If there’s somebody who is kind out there, pa2long naman kung ano mga specs ba ang dapat ko bilhin. Mas makakamura ba ako if I buy by parts and let a computer technician assemble it or il buy sa mga computer shops na pre-assembled PC? My budget sana is mga P15-20thou. And info din sana where I can buy PC parts and have them assembled. Thanx guys!! Quote Link to comment
roxysnonie Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Guys magandang hapon sa inyo. It’s nice to learn that merong thread d2 sa MTC on computers, ang laking bagay para sa mga computer aficionados. Anyway pipol, can an I ask 4ur suggestions? Im planning kc to buy a computer, It will be for home use lang. Konting word processing, internet, and printing of pictures. But my primary reason for buying a computer is to watch movies and play games (especially the latest ones) If there’s somebody who is kind out there, pa2long naman kung ano mga specs ba ang dapat ko bilhin. Mas makakamura ba ako if I buy by parts and let a computer technician assemble it or il buy sa mga computer shops na pre-assembled PC? My budget sana is mga P15-20thou. And info din sana where I can buy PC parts and have them assembled. Thanx guys!! dude i got mine assembled in an hour at PC EXPRESS, theyre cheap, parts are guaranteed, no rip off, no parts swap. you see what you buy put in! I got mine for 19K! if you want it really cheap but can do the works: ECS KV7VMM+ motherboardAMD 1800+256mb PC266DDR ramRadeon 7000 64mb video cardLiteOn cdrom driveMaxtor 40gb hdd 7200Sony 1.44 floppy driveSmartlink modemSamsung 551v monitor(splurge on this one)HP 3550 deskjetReflex clear sided casekeyboard, speakers, mouse free mine can do wonders with games with crystal clarity!!! hope it helps... Quote Link to comment
matsutsu Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I usually go to Green Hills pero mas konti na lng yung shops ata not like before.Puro cell phones na yung tinda ata dun.I always select the parts that I want tapos sila na mag-assemble.Dapat may list ka ng parts na gusto mo at yung price nila for it.Pede ka naman tawad since lahat ng parts eh bibilhin mo sa kanila. Since u want to watch movies and play the latest games, u really need to invest a lot.Things to spend on:Monitor - long term investment since indi madalas ito palitanProcessor and motherboard - dapat latest para in 2 to 3 years...eh paluma pa lng sya at pede mo pa benta.Memory - mas malaki mas ok!Video card - to play the latest games u need the baddest vid card around (Radeon 9700 which costs almost a new PC), u can settle for anything lower...nVidia is OK specially the Ti series.Sound card - to enjoy these new games and movies (DVD), walang sinabi yung mga VCD sa DVD in terms of video and audio quality. mura na ata DVD sa pinas...as low as 80. Pero kung manonood ka ng VCD sa PC mo, wag ka bili ng sound card na maganda. Pede na yung built-in sa mobo.optional:Speakers - ganda ng sound card mo pero bulok yung speaker mo...walang kwenta...tunog lata pa din. Find for items that will fit ur budget.Everyone can give u a killer spec sa PC or parts that kick arse.Problem lng....papasok ba yun sa budget mo? Quote Link to comment
roxysnonie Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Vicaner:nasa opis ako so I can't get the specs of my PC.dude, when ur buying a PC, the only thing that restricts u is ur budget.how much are you willing to spend for the fastest, greatest and baddest PC? before I buy, I set my limit. think how much you are willing to spend for each component. let's say ur limit is 50K, then ito yung probably breakdown:mobo - 10Kproc - 10Kvideo card - 5Kmonitor - 10Kmemory - 5Kmisc - 10K after you have set the limit for each component, then do ur research.research on each component and then see if they will fit ur budget.i-consider mo na din yung trip mo like gusto to mo ng HT so Intel na or kung gusto mo murang pro bili ka AMD para makabili ka ng magandang video card (Radeon 9700).then adjust mo yung list mo, u can subtract 1K from mobo and 1K from monitor para makabili kaw ng video card na 7K.once ur done with the list, u will get the best value for your budget. recommended sites: www.tomshardware.com www.extremetech.com this is actually correct! but 50k? whoa.... at anyrate consider upgradeable options, Kung pwede pa sya i -up... spend on a good monitor! Samsung is nice ofr my eyes for a 15 incher....mahirap naman masyado malaki like a 19...though i wish i got the 17r. video card! yup a must sya, b4 inboard gamit ko, bagal, may vdo chatter pa, radeon is very good, popular lang kasi geoforce, plus upgradeable ang driver software nya, got mine up to 2003 driver spec sa site nila. memory get 215 agad! para d kana bibili ulet! there never enough memory... canvass na ako sa greenhills, gilmore everywhere, pc express pa rin! good aftersales pa! you know yo can return and exchange parts you dont like in two days, bring the packings lang! dont tamper with it, free service pa sa kanila... tothink i dont know dick in pc's ha... Quote Link to comment
roxysnonie Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 so true mats!!!wla na greehills masyado in terms of pc parts...nataob na ng pc express! its a giant warehouse type retail shop! they give you a list of parts to check, if not they ask you your budget, and they will list it up depending on how you want it. want best bang for buck with printers and scanners but can do games, internet and regular pc work or go for maxed out set ups they have it!!! Quote Link to comment
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