Antonio Trillanes: Criticism And Controversies

[will robie]

Ito ba yung amnesty certificate na sinasabi mo? Because in this document, it is clear that Gazmin was usurping the powers of the president. It is clear here that it is only for the information of the president. It is supposed to be "for your approval". Gazmin could not approve the recommendations because nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the defense secretary can approve recommendations for amnesty. Only the president can grant amnesty.

 

 

I was asking juan t a question on whether this was an amnesty certificate because this is not an amnesty certificate. It is a clear usurpation of powers by Gazmin.

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by will robie

[juan t]

 

 

I was asking juan t a question on whether this was an amnesty certificate because this is not an amnesty certificate. It is a clear usurpation of powers by Gazmin.

 

 

No. That is not the amnesty certificate. That is just a correspondence letter to the president stating the status of the applications.

 

This is the amnesty certificate: Clearly, there is no usurpation of powers in this document.

 

It is also clear that this document did not grant Trillanes amnesty, but rather, certified that he was granted amnesty.

 

Proclamation 75 was what granted Trillanes et al. amnesty.

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by juan t

[juan t]

^^^ HINDI ... and honestly if it is what it is supposed to be then so be it. pero shouldn’t it be applied to all? then why single-out trililing and not include the others such as faeldon? may statement pa malacanang na all the rest dahil hindi kinuwestion eh valid. oh well alam na anong milagrong ginagawa at kung bakit.

 

 

Obvious naman that this attack is personal for Duterte. It is obvious that he is silencing the opposition just like Marcos before.

[rooster69ph]

Obvious naman that this attack is personal for Duterte. It is obvious that he is silencing the opposition just like Marcos before.

“He openly said he doesn't have a problem with the others. It's a message to the others that they should not worry. Besides, other Oakwood Mutiny leaders like Maestrocampo, Faeldon, Gambala, etc... are all supportive of Duterte.”

 

alam naman ng mga bayarang sipsip kay Digong ang punot-dulo ng lahat ng ito...and as expected they are just rationalizing everything in Digong’s favor.

[will robie]

No. That is not the amnesty certificate. That is just a correspondence letter to the president stating the status of the applications.

 

This is the amnesty certificate: Clearly, there is no usurpation of powers in this document.

 

It is also clear that this document did not grant Trillanes amnesty, but rather, certified that he was granted amnesty.

 

Proclamation 75 was what granted Trillanes et al. amnesty.

 

This document is just a piece of paper sans the approval of the president. What I shiowed is not a correpondence letter. It is an approval of a recommendation for amnesty which only the president can sign since he is the only one who can grant it.

[haroots2]

Maybe this can help on the debate

 

http://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2010/11/24/proclamation-no-75-s-2010/

 

 

MALACAÑAN PALACE
Manila

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES

PROCLAMATION NO. 75

GRANTING AMNESTY TO ACTIVE AND FORMER PERSONNEL OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE PHILIPPINES, PHILIPPINE NATIONAL POLICE AND THEIR SUPPORTERS WHO MAY HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES PUNISHABLE UNDER THE REVISED PENAL CODE, THE ARTICLES OF WAR AND OTHER LAWS IN CONNECTION WITH THE OAKWOOD MUTINY, THE MARINES STAND-OFF AND THE MANILA PENINSULA INCIDENT

 

WHEREAS, it is recognized that certain active and former personnel of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the Philippine National Police (PNP) and their supporters have or may have committed crimes punishable under the Revised Penal Code, the Articles of War and other laws in connection with, in relation or incident to the July 27, 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, the February 2006 Marines Stand-Off and the November 29, 2007 Manila Pen Incident;

WHEREAS, there is a clamor from certain sectors of society urging the President to extend amnesty to said AFP personnel and their supporters;

WHEREAS, Section 19, Article VII of the Constitution expressly vests the President the power to grant amnesty;

WHEREAS, the grant of amnesty in favor of the said active and former personnel of the AFP and PNP and their supporters will promote an atmosphere conducive to the attainment of a just, comprehensive and enduring peace and is in line with the Government’s peace and reconciliation initiatives;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BENIGNO S. AQUINO III, President of the Philippines, by virtue of the powers vested in me by Section 19, Article VII of the Philippine Constitution, do hereby DECLARE and PROCLAIM:

SECTION 1. Grant of Amnesty. – Amnesty is hereby granted to all active and former personnel of the AFP and PNP as well as their supporters who have or may have committed crimes punishable under the Revised Penal Code, the Articles of War or other laws in connection with, in relation or incident to the July 27, 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, the February 2006 Marines Stand-Off and the November 29, 2007 Manila Peninsula Incident who shall apply therefor; Provided that amnesty shall not cover rape, acts of torture, crimes against chastity and other crimes committed for personal ends.

SECTION 2. Where to Apply. – The concerned AFP and PNP personnel and their supporters may apply for amnesty under this Proclamation with the ad hoc committee Department of National Defense (DND) which is hereby tasked with receiving and processing applications – including oppositions thereto, if any – for amnesty pursuant to this proclamation and determining whether the applicants are entitled to amnesty pursuant to this proclamation. The final decisions or determination of the DND shall be appealable to the Office of the President by any party to the application. The decision, however, shall be immediately executory even if appealed.

SECTION 3. Period of Application. – Applications for the grant of amnesty under this proclamation shall be filed under oath with the DND within a period of ninety (90) days following the date of the publication of this proclamation in two (2) newspapers of general circulation as concurred in by a majority of all members in Congress. The DND shall forthwith act on the same with dispatch.

SECTION 4. Effects. –

(a) Amnesty pursuant to this proclamation shall extinguish any criminal liability for acts committed in connection, incident or related to the July 27, 2003 Oakwood Mutiny, the February 2006 Marines Stand-Off and the November 29, 2007 Peninsula Manila Hotel Incident without prejudice to the grantee’s civil liability for injuries or damages caused to private persons.

( Except as provided below, the grant of amnesty shall effect the restoration of civil and political rights or entitlement of grantees that may have been suspended, lost or adversely affected by virtue of any executive, administrative or criminal action or proceedings against the grantee in connection with the subject incidents, including criminal conviction or any form, if any.

© All enlisted personnel of the Armed Forces of the Philippines with the rank of up to Technical Sergeant and personnel of the PNP with the rank of up to Senior Police Officer 3, whose applications for amnesty would be approved shall be entitled to reintegration or reinstatement, subject to existing laws and regulations. However, they shall not be entitled to back pay during the time they have been discharged or suspended from service or unable to perform their military or police duties.

(d) Commissioned and Non-commissioned officers of the AFP with the rank of Master Sergeant and personnel of the PNP with the rank of at least Senior Police Officer 4 whose application for amnesty will be approved shall not be entitled to remain in the service, reintegration or reinstatement into the service nor back pay.

(e) All AFP and PNP personnel granted amnesty who are not reintegrated or reinstated shall be entitled to retirement and separation benefits, if qualified under existing laws and regulation, as of the time separation, unless they have forfeited such retirement benefits for reasons other than the acts covered by this Proclamation. Those reintegrated or reinstated shall be entitled to their retirement and separation benefit upon their actual retirement.

SECTION 5. Repealing Clause. – This proclamation supersedes Proclamation No. 50 issued on 11 October 2010 which hereby deemed recalled.

SECTION 6. Effectivity. – This Proclamation shall take effect upon concurrence of a majority of all the Members of the Congress.

DONE in the City of Manila, 24^th day of November in the year of our Lord, Two Thousand and Ten.

(Sgd.) BENIGNO S. AQUINO III

By the President:

(Sgd.) PAQUITO N. OCHOA, JR.
Executive Secretary

[juan t]

This document is just a piece of paper sans the approval of the president. What I shiowed is not a correpondence letter. It is an approval of a recommendation for amnesty which only the president can sign since he is the only one who can grant it.

 

No need for the president to approve. That was the job of Gazmin and the ad hoc committee.

 

The letter you showed is clearly addressed to the president, so why should there be a need for him to sign it.

 

Your letter is irrelevant to proving whether the amnesty is valid or not. It was dated on January 25, 2011, four days after Trillanes was ALREADY GRANTED amnesty as stated on the certificate.

[will robie]

 

No need for the president to approve. That was the job of Gazmin and the ad hoc committee.

 

The letter you showed is clearly addressed to the president, so why should there be a need for him to sign it.

 

Your letter is irrelevant to proving whether the amnesty is valid or not. It was dated on January 25, 2011, four days after Trillanes was ALREADY GRANTED amnesty as stated on the certificate.

Again, it is not within the authority of Gazmin to approve. The letter I showed is Gazmin approving a recommendation which is not within his scope of powers.

 

Now, since you insist on the certificate, I've got news for you:

 

Senate certification showing it has no record of Atty. Angel, who reportedly administered oath to Sen. Trillanes for purposes of his petition vs Proclamation 572, entering its premises:

Source: ABS-CBN

 

 

https://twitter.com/InaReformina/status/1044122501410807808/photo/1

 

This utterly debunks the amnesty certificate you've shown, juan t.

Edited September 24, 2018 by will robie

[camiar]

“He openly said he doesn't have a problem with the others. It's a message to the others that they should not worry. Besides, other Oakwood Mutiny leaders like Maestrocampo, Faeldon, Gambala, etc... are all supportive of Duterte.”

 

alam naman ng mga bayarang sipsip kay Digong ang punot-dulo ng lahat ng ito...and as expected they are just rationalizing everything in Digong’s favor.

Hahahaha!

 

We know who these Maestrocampo, Faeldon, Gambala etc... are. You obviously don't.

 

Try telling them in their faces that they are "bayarang sipsip". A word of advise: Don't equate these people to who you are.

[juan t]

Again, it is not within the authority of Gazmin to approve. The letter I showed is Gazmin approving a recommendation which is not within his scope of powers.

 

 

If you insist on this opinion of yours, then so be it. Ive said my piece about that letter. I have nothing more to add.

 

 

 

Now, since you insist on the certificate, I've got news for you:

Source: ABS-CBN

 

 

This utterly debunks the amnesty certificate you've shown, juan t.

 

I dont know what you think that Senate certification is, but one thing is for sure - That document DOES NOT debunk the amnesty certificate as you claim.

[rooster69ph]

Hahahaha!

 

We know who these Maestrocampo, Faeldon, Gambala etc... are. You obviously don't.

 

Try telling them in their faces that they are "bayarang sipsip". A word of advise: Don't equate these people to who you are.

hahaha...i am not referring to those guys you mentioned as bayarang sipsip. ang layo ...

 

obviously from the way you posted after quoting my post post you are totally clueless to what i am talking about...

 

my word of advice: tumingin ka sa salami before you give your unsolicited advice

Edited September 24, 2018 by rooster69ph

[flatwall]

Trillanes is a rebel. Dpt pgdushn nya ang gnwa nyng krimen...

[daphne loves derby]

Check

 

 

[jcs1000]

barilin nya sana sarili nya para bayani din sya...

 

kaso kelangan pa rin nya explain involvement nya about Scarborough... as questioned by enrile...

[jcs1000]

issue with trillanes .. different from gambala, maestrocampo, lim... he continuously on the opposite side of the government... kontra pa rin.. so rebelde talaga sya... nangyari lang pro-aquino dahil ginamit sya at ginagamit pa rin till now...