Free Tuition For State Universities And Colleges

[will robie]

If they are goaded by communists and they (the students) believe it is right, it's fine. They should be free to study, discuss, and voice out whatever ideas, theories, concepts.

 

Joining rallies is also fine. It part of our freedom of speech and expression.

 

BUT, joining the leftist or rightist armed struggle to overthrow the government is not part of freedom of expression. If they overstep that boundary, it becomes a crime against the state. They will not only be expelled, they can be lawfully arrested and thrown in jail or even be executed.

I am talking here of FQS-style rallies. The member of the LFS who study in state universities should be expelled since it is a communist front.

[camiar]

I am talking here of FQS-style rallies. The member of the LFS who study in state universities should be expelled since it is a communist front.

The infamous First Quarter Storm was a violent mass movement that aimed to precipitate into a full blown leftist revolution to bring down the government. It was not a rally. I was a mass riot.

 

The League of Filipino Students was indeed a communist front to recruit students into the armed revolutionary movement.

 

But that's another point. The government has the ways and means to uncover these types of illegal activities and organizations, and respond accordingly.

 

However, in the spirit of free thinking, student should enjoy the freedom to explore all ideas, concepts and thoughts.

 

We should not limit them to "conventional wisdom".

 

Remember during the middle ages, it was considered a criminal act - a blasphemy - to discuss the concept that the world is round, because it was contrary to the conventional wisdom that the world is flat and the sun, moon, and the entire universe revolve around it.

Edited August 30, 2019 by camiar

[camiar]

Yes, but that is for countries with so high income (due to sustainable sources) and low birth rate and the government is making sure that even with the low population, there will be enough skilled, knowledgeable, and bright people.

 

In our case, our population is booming and giving free education to all will not be sustainable. Also, due to the increasing population, there will be very high chance of having skilled, knowledgeable, and bright people. No need for the government to intervene. I’d rather put all my taxes to solving the traffic problem which results to tens-hundred million pesos of losses per day. Imagine the amount of wealth we can generate once this is solved. By then we can talk about increasing scholarships (not free education). Then once we become a first world country, then lets talk free education. We have so much urgent problems to solve, and this doesnt include free education.

 

No argument there, except on your statement that government should not intervene. There are bright and deserving students who cannot afford secondary and higher education. For these select individuals, the government must intervene to give them a chance. Of course, government support is not free. They have to pay it back though service to the government and/or to the community.

[wh!teph0enix]

No argument there, except on your statement that government should not intervene. There are bright and deserving students who cannot afford secondary and higher education. For these select individuals, the government must intervene to give them a chance. Of course, government support is not free. They have to pay it back though service to the government and/or to the community.

There are actually so many scholarship slots offered by DOST and CHED, and I’m telling, they are having a hard time filling up these slots with bright and intelligent students, and many of these scholarships go to average-undeserving students.

 

Many of these recipients do not even finish their degrees.

 

Now we are asking for free education for all? SMH

[khantan]

Education should be free.

Free education gives rise to irresponsible students.

On the other hand, business should be given incentives to hire working students. Because knowledge is not gained from the four walls of the classroom.

[camiar]

There are actually so many scholarship slots offered by DOST and CHED, and I’m telling, they are having a hard time filling up these slots with bright and intelligent students, and many of these scholarships go to average-undeserving students.

 

Many of these recipients do not even finish their degrees.

 

Now we are asking for free education for all? SMH

I don't know where you're coming from when you say they cannot fill DOST and CHED scholarships with bright and intelligent students, and they are passed on to "average-undeserving" students. Do you have first hand knowledge of this?

 

I had the privilege of hiring DOST and CHED scholars, and I can attest from those the I hired that they are all deserve the scholarship.

 

If DOST and CHED have difficulty getting enough "deserving" scholars. it's probably because of the conditions they impose on the scholars, particularly the requirement for them not to seek employment abroad for a number of years after graduating. They used to have travel restrictions, too.

 

Many scholars not completing their course? Probably not the whole story. They probably just changed to another course during their final years to get out of the scholarship and be free from the restrictions imposed on them.

[courtesanhunter]

i agree sa sinasabi ng iba. ang Free Tuition ay para lang dapat sa mga karapat dapat. kaya nga may mga entrance exam sa iba't ibang universities at kabilang na nga doon ang mga state universities. madami din ang mga klase ng scholarship bago naging batas yan. may nakabase sa mahusay na academic performance, merong sinasagot ng mga munisipyo o ng mga congressman kapalit ang mas madaling imaintain na grades, at meron ding base sa paglilingkod o pagtatrabaho para sa university.

[JackieM]

Namasyal ako sa UP, bakit naparaming students na may magagandang sasakyan, dapat siguro ang mga eskolar ng Bayan ay mga mahihirap na matatalino, hindi yung mga mayayaman.

Maraming kaklase from Don Bosco ang pamangkin ko na pumapasok now sa UP na hindi naman daw matatalino noong  High School sila may mga kakilala lang daw silang mga sikat na Alumni at ngayon ay mga Politico. 

Sa kapanahunan namin may High School classmate akong nakapasok ng di ko alam papano dahil nag removal pa yun sa Math para makasabay lang sa graduation namin. Hahaha

Sa time ng sister ko naman may kinasuhan kaming Professor sa Math Department dahil nagbigay ito ng Take Home Exam pagkatapos binagsak nya lahat ng students dahil nag "kopyahan daw" Pag file namin ng kaso biglang umaksyon ang College at pinasa lahat ng students at nakiusap bawiin lang namin ang case baka daw lumaki at gayahin ng ibang students, Ibig sabihin lang nito madami silang pinagtatakpan na milagro.

May isa pa silang case na pinawithdraw kasabay namin: Yung case ng anak ng isang Senador.  

 

[macbolan00]

12 minutes ago, JackieM said:

Namasyal ako sa UP, bakit naparaming students na may magagandang sasakyan, dapat siguro ang mga eskolar ng Bayan ay mga mahihirap na matatalino, hindi yung mga mayayaman.

 

Then you don't understand UP.

[JackieM]

8 minutes ago, macbolan00 said:

Then you don't understand UP.

Ako ang di mo gets, ang unang Punto ko ay dapat bigyan ng PRIORITY ang mahihirap na matalino.

Pangalawa, magmamalinis, dahil madaming dumi sa loob mismo ng bakuran nya...

Edited May 17, 2022 by JackieM

[macbolan00]

Hindi mo pa rin gets. Hindi yun ang dahilan kung bakit itinayo ang UP. Gusto mo ng eskwelahan para sa mahihirap (que matalino o bob0)? eh ano ginagawa ng daan-daan na public schools at state colleges? Ungg0y! Magmamarunong pa. Ito na huling sagot ko sa 'yo.

[JackieM]

19 hours ago, macbolan00 said:

Hindi mo pa rin gets. Hindi yun ang dahilan kung bakit itinayo ang UP. Gusto mo ng eskwelahan para sa mahihirap (que matalino o bob0)? eh ano ginagawa ng daan-daan na public schools at state colleges? Ungg0y! Magmamarunong pa. Ito na huling sagot ko sa 'yo.

attention: Admin/Moderator @Ariana& @BizMan, since this poster called me Unggoy will you please allow me to call him "BABOY". I don't think that's acceptable, we may go into debate or educated discussion but calling other with unwanted names and totally disregarded "RESPECT" which is one of the written rules in this thread. This is totally uneducated act and  unacceptable.

Edited May 18, 2022 by JackieM

[FF]

23 hours ago, JackieM said:

Ako ang di mo gets, ang unang Punto ko ay dapat bigyan ng PRIORITY ang mahihirap na matalino.

Pangalawa, magmamalinis, dahil madaming dumi sa loob mismo ng bakuran nya...

Comrade sinubukan na po yan nung kapanahunan ko FYI.

And tinawag ng UP ay democratization where preference was given to those who were economically disadvantaged by lowering  the passing grades sa UPCAT  .

Sadly po it FAILED as many were unable to handle the academic rigour. Binigyan po ng opportunity para makapasok pero di rin kinaya at marami ang bumagsak.
Dahil po dito ay di na tinuloy ng UP ang programa.

Ung second point mo po na NAGMAMALINIS at DUMI ? ano po bang dumi ang iyong pinupunto ? Nag aral ka ba sa UP ? Nagtratrabaho sa UP ?

What made you say that ? O naniniwala ka lang sa red tagging ? Magsaliksik comrade. Binigyan tayo ng isip gamitin naman natin bago gumawa ng posts na katulad ng post mo.

Share ko lang po :

Nakapasok po ako sa UP at hindi po mayaman ang magulang ko.

Pumasa po ako sa UPCAT  (but not under the democratization program)

Dahil po sa Martial Law ay ipinasara ni Marcos Sr ang karamihan sa media companies at nawalan po ng hanapbuhay ang tatay ko.

Sinubmit ko po ang income tax return ng tatay ko na 15,000 lang ang kinita sa isang taon. Dahil po dito  na exempt po ako sa pagbabayad ng tuition fees at tanging  misc fee na  P 110.00 ang binabayaran  every semester .

Dalawang taon po rin akong nakinabang hanggang nagkaroong muli ng trabaho si Tatay. Nagbayad na pong muli ng tuition pero hindi kasingtaas ng mayayaman kong kaklase. If I reemember right mga P 1500 lang ang bayd ko vs, 6 to 8 thousand na bayad nila.

Edited May 18, 2022 by FF

[FF]

Fyi po galing sa UP website . For those interested pwede pong mag-inquire particularly about the Socialized Tuition System ng Pamantasan .

Scholarships and Grants

UP students play a significant role in fulfilling the University’s mandate as agents of national development. As an Iskolar ng Bayan, all UP students are entitled to support through subsidies provided by the National government. This is granted through discounts on tuition and other school fees. Below are the financial assistance programs of the University:

ST System

The Socialized Tuition (ST) System provides tuition discount at rates that are based on the assessment of the paying capacity of the household to which a student belongs. This assessment looks at the income as well as the socio-economic characteristics of the household.

Scholarships

The UP Scholarship Programs are envisioned to honor and encourage outstanding academic achievement or talent, help academically qualified but financially needy students, and encourage enrollment in particular academic programs which are needed by our country

List of available scholarships: http://osss.up.edu.ph/content/scholarships/list/

Edited May 18, 2022 by FF

[JackieM]

On 5/18/2022 at 3:05 PM, FF said:

Comrade sinubukan na po yan nung kapanahunan ko FYI.

And tinawag ng UP ay democratization where preference was given to those who were economically disadvantaged by lowering  the passing grades sa UPCAT  .

Sadly po it FAILED as many were unable to handle the academic rigour. Binigyan po ng opportunity para makapasok pero di rin kinaya at marami ang bumagsak.
Dahil po dito ay di na tinuloy ng UP ang programa.

Ung second point mo po na NAGMAMALINIS at DUMI ? ano po bang dumi ang iyong pinupunto ? Nag aral ka ba sa UP ? Nagtratrabaho sa UP ?

What made you say that ? O naniniwala ka lang sa red tagging ? Magsaliksik comrade. Binigyan tayo ng isip gamitin naman natin bago gumawa ng posts na katulad ng post mo.

Share ko lang po :

Nakapasok po ako sa UP at hindi po mayaman ang magulang ko.

Pumasa po ako sa UPCAT  (but not under the democratization program)

Dahil po sa Martial Law ay ipinasara ni Marcos Sr ang karamihan sa media companies at nawalan po ng hanapbuhay ang tatay ko.

Sinubmit ko po ang income tax return ng tatay ko na 15,000 lang ang kinita sa isang taon. Dahil po dito  na exempt po ako sa pagbabayad ng tuition fees at tanging  misc fee na  P 110.00 ang binabayaran  every semester .

Dalawang taon po rin akong nakinabang hanggang nagkaroong muli ng trabaho si Tatay. Nagbayad na pong muli ng tuition pero hindi kasingtaas ng mayayaman kong kaklase. If I reemember right mga P 1500 lang ang bayd ko vs, 6 to 8 thousand na bayad nila.

STATE SCHOLAR po ako at UPCAT passer pero di ako pumasok sa UP dahil mas makakatipid ako sa MSU Iligan. Kapatid at mga pamangkin ko mga students ng UP at ang 1 ay Professor sa UPV lahat po sila UPCAT passer. Ako po ay NCEE Topnotcher, Top 6 sa Match Olympiad at No. 9 sa National Science Quiz. Kilala ako ni David Celdran na President ng UP STUDENTS ng panahon namin at ni Cong. MIRO QUIMBO na na mga kawpa kong member ng NUSP. At ako ang nag pursige na tumakbo si Erin Tanada na maging President ng NUSP kaya galit sa akin si David dahil natalo siya.

Hindi man ako naging student ng UP may alam din ako. Basahin ko rin ang pinanggalingan ng post ng nag comment ka para makita mo bakit ko sinabi ang mga yan....

Salamat sa input mo at nabasa ko na rin yan sa website nila, dahil kailangan namin yan bago kami nag file ng case sa UP against sa isang Prof. At nakiusap sa amin ang Dean at Department Head ng Mathematics na wag namin ituloy ang case para di masira ang College. Nagkaroon kami ng settlement noong 2004 at sa ngayon ay graduate na kapatid ko, natapos na rin ang PhD nya sa Math. Sa kasalukuyan nagsisimula pa lang Pamangkin ko sa kanyang Thesis ara PhD (Math), ang isa Proper na sa Vet Med at may isang nagsisimula ng ng sisimula ng sa kanyan research para sa kanyang masteral. Marami na kaming alam na problem ng UP. 

Ang kaibigan kong si Chanda Shahani na anak ni Senator Shahani nag file din ng complain sa isang college sa UP Diliman. Kaya ko nasabi mga yan dahil may ALAM din ako na di maganda.