Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[punkee]

fact: PHL was bankrupt at the end of FM's term.

fact: he lied about his war exploits and "awards"

fact: he was not man enough to control his wife. at least that is what the loyalists keep using as an excuse. "It was Imelda's fault! Not FM's"!

fact: the amount of infrastructure built can also equate to the amount stolen from kickbacks.

fact: Lee Kuan Yew did not think highly of FM.

fact: FM made up a scenario to give himself reason to declare Martial Law.

fact: the marcos family has a vast amount of wealth which does not equate to the earnings of a president.

fact: the PHL's economy had its ups and downs after Marcos but is so much better now than when Marcos was kicked out.

 

what was so great about FM again?

[Edmund Dantes]

There is no doubt that Marcos had many accomplishments. Our greatest mistakes is voting for someone lesser than Marcos after his regime.

During Martial Law, marami siyang nagawang projects, but he could've done better without Martial Law. Those era is the industrialization boom worldwide and we were left behind by our asian neighbors simply because we had no help from the private sectors. Many were afraid in investing and some are sequestered during Martial Law/.

Another issue is there are many lives lost and families destroyed during this time thats why there are still haters of Marcos. Ang hirap kasi sa iba is being so blinded to a person that you won't admit his mistakes and only his accomplishments. Yung iba pa kasi diyan kahit personal mo na nakita na nagnakaw o pumatay sasabihin pa rin niya convicted na ba siya? There are many criminals that are not convicted because of technicalities but that doesn't mean he did not commit those crimes. Marcos have many intelligent people around him to do a perfect crimes like he did without being proven to any court.

 

 

Ok ito hindi pagkampi kay Marcos ha. Pero tama ka sa sinabi mo na napakalaki ng pagkukulang ng pumalit na pamahalaan para bigyan tayong mga Pilipino ng totoong demokrasya. Ang totoong demokrasya ay sistema ng gobyerno kung saan ang kapakanan ng nakakarami ang inaalagaan. Pero ngyaon kapakanan ng political families at oligarchs inaalagaan. Nabangit mo yan tungkol sa investment na yan. Dehado investors satin, kasi nga di sila pwede ng 100% ownership under the 1986 constitution. Sa lahat ng bansa sa ASEAN tayo lang ang me ganito! At sino nakikinabang nyan? Natural ang mga Lopez at Cojuangco! Hangang ngayon wala pa rin talagang pakialam sa tao ang mga nasa kapangyarihan.

 

OO nga eh, sa dami ng paratang sa mga Marcos, sa dami ng kaso, bakit hangang ngayon 3 dekada na nakakaraan wala pa din nagiging magandang accomplishment ang PCGG? Bakit di maipakulong sa dami ng kaso? Bakit hindi mahanap yang mga sinasabing secret swiss bank accounts na yan? Hindi naman ganun kalakas kapangyarihan ng mga marcos siguro ngayon para mainobrahin justice system di ba? So sabihin natin totoo mga paratang na ito. Dalawa ang nakikita kong posibilidad dyan. Una inutil ang PCGG at ang mga naghahabol kila marcos. Pangalawa, malamang me sabwatan na sila. Eitherway, pagkukulang pa din ito ng gobyerno.

 

Kaya dahil sa pagkukulang na yan, nagmumukha tuloy bayani si Marcos sa ilan. Yun kabataan ngayon nagtatanong na kung ganun ba talaga kasama si Marcos? Panay lang tayo sisi kay Marcos, at walang mangyayari kung hindi aakuin kasalukuyan responsibilidad ng pagaayos problema ng bansang ito.

 

Tignan natin ang Indonesia. Mas matagal silang naghirap kay Suharto! Mas nahuli sila lumaya sa diktadurya satin. Ngayon, magkakaroon na sila ng bullet train samantalang tayo ni MRT di pa maayos ayos. Umuunlad na bansa nila, samantalang tayo panay sisi lang kay Marcos.

[punkee]

Hilarious. The only fact that I can see in that post is that the Philippines was bankrupt. Explanation: the IMF was charging the Philippines unreasonable interest rates.

nice move. everything I posted is easily verifiable, and yes, fact.

 

and your only way out was to put blame on something else, like the IMF. weak.

[costastheoduro]

Have you all heard about the Marcos "Karate Chop?" Research and it will help paint a picture of what kind of a person the guy was.

Edited November 4, 2015 by costastheoduro

[punkee]

I am sure you can't verify the "facts" that you posted except that the Philippines was bankrupt.. Put the blame on the IMF? A little research would not hurt.

nope. no need. loyalists always use the "research" card to try to make them sound like they know what they're talking about. the material is all over. not hard to know what really happened.

on some of those facts I posted, the loyalists even verify it themselves.

 

add this:

fact: the son of your idol lied about having an oxford degree.

seems to be in the genes, ey?

Edited November 4, 2015 by punkee

[rooster69ph]

nice move. everything I posted is easily verifiable, and yes, fact.

 

and your only way out was to put blame on something else, like the IMF. weak.

 

Let me add that these loans were not forced upon us ...

 

Nakakatawa lang for a person to say that IMF was charging us "unreasonable" rate wherein sa malamang wala siya kamuwang-muwang kung ano ang basehan ng interest rate pricing.

 

Alam ba niya ang credit rating ng Pilipinas at that time? Si LKY nga was quoted saying na malamang hindi na nila makita pa muli ang perang inuutang ng Pinas at that time. Tapos ano ang gusto niya bigyan tayo ng special or preferential rate?

[idecris]

It is apparent that the poster does not have any idea of what he's talking about regarding the IMF and the poster depends solely on the opinion of a man who ruled an island the size of Metro Manila. LOL.

 

 

It is apparent that the poster does not have any idea of what he's talking about regarding the IMF and the poster depends solely on the opinion of a man who ruled an island the size of Metro Manila. LOL.

 

Please, share with us what FACTS you know of the IMF. Please.

[wolflove_bigdawg]

The bottom line is Marcos turned himself into a dictator and turned the Philippines into Marcos, Inc.

[rooster69ph]

It is apparent that the poster does not have any idea of what he's talking about regarding the IMF and that poster depends solely on the opinion of a man who ruled an island the size of Metro Manila. I wonder if that ASEAN leader really knew what was happening in the Philippines that time. Unless, of course, he was a confidante of Marcos or he had a mole who was high up there. LOL.

 

That Asian leader apparently was the president of the country who happens to lend us USD8 billion at the time of MArcos. The same man the refuses to lend us more kasi hindi na siya bilib kay Macoy.

 

Further, this Asian leader with the initials of LKY transformed his country to be one of Asia's wealthiest and least corrupt while on the other hand Marcos lead this country to become the "sick man of Asia".

 

Now, sino ang mas kapanipaniwala ... ang opinion ni LKY o ang opinion mo?

[idecris]

A country that is only a third of Metro Manila in terms of size and a population of only 5.5 million.

Each person is entitled to an opinion. He has his. I have mine.

 

The size of the country that he ruled does not diminish his greatness. You don't realize the difficulties that "island nation" faced when it started. I don't see anything "right" in your belittling his achievements just because it was a "small" country. No historical leader of this country could have matched how LKY rose to meet and overcome and surpass the challenges of Singapore's beginnings.

 

 

Kamusta na yung facts natin dun sa kasalanan ng IMF boss?

[rooster69ph]

Hindi naman issue kung entitled o hindi sa opinion...given naman na lahat ay entitled. Ang totoong issue sino ang mas kapanipaniwala? Sino ang may credibilidad? Si LKY na respetado ng mundo o ang isang Nathan Gamble na ... Sino nga ba siya?

 

Anyway eto ang isang pagkukumpara kay Macoy at LKY...

 

From :“Political Virtue and Economic Leadership: A Southeast Asian Paradox” written by Hilton L. Root and was published by Milken Institute on November 13, 2000:

 

“Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew (1959-90) and Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines (1965-86) coexisted under similar geo-political pressures and were known to share similar political and social philosophies. Yet Lee Kuan Yew established a political party that derived its credibility from a reputation for corruption-free governance, sobriety and growth while Ferdinand Marcos became famous for larceny on a grand scale, stealing the people’s foreign aid and putting it into private bank accounts and property throughout the world.”

 

“Reflecting upon his success in Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew often boasted that he would have been able to create immense wealth for his citizens if he had only had a larger, more resource-rich country to manage. Few believed that Singapore, an island of 214 square miles and 1.8 million inhabitants, could be a viable country after separating from Malaya in 1964. Lee himself worked tirelessly from 1959 to 1964 to keep Singapore and Malaya together, writing in his memoirs, “We had said that an independent Singapore was simply not viable.” Lee argued, “It is the hinterland that produces the rubber and tin that keep our shop-window economy going. It is the base that made Singapore the capital city. Without this economic base, Singapore would not survive. Without merger, without a reunification of our two governments and an integration of our two economies, our economic position will slowly and steadily get worse.”

 

“By contrast, the nearby Philippines, with a population of 26.6 million, was considered to be a much more promising developing country. The world’s second largest producer of gold, the Philippines was endowed with a relatively well-educated population, a large resource base and, by the standards of the time, a well-developed infrastructure. With a potentially large resource base to pay back loans and extremely articulate leader it became one of the largest recipients of World Bank assistance during the tenure of Ferdinand Marcos. Yet the Philippines became the sick man of Asia, while Singaporeans now enjoy the second highest per capita income in the region after Japan.”

[rooster69ph]

Sandali... kanino ba may utang ang Pinas sa Fed ba o sa IMF at World Bank?

 

Kung sakaling hindi naman pala sa Fed umutang ...kasi sa alam ko tumatayo itong CB ng America at lender lang nga daw ito of the last resort, ano ang kinalaman ng pagtaas nito ng rate sa pinas?

 

Isa pa, at uulitin ko ...obligado bang umutang ang Pinas? Parang ganito lang yun e ... Si Nathan pumunta sa bangko umutang pambili ng bahay. Sumunod umutang uli pambili ng kotse. Tapos umutang uli pangtravel. E humina ang kita, sinabayan pa na nagtaas ng interest ang bangko, nalintikan na at kinapos na sa pambayan ng interest (wala pang principal yun ha) tapos sisisihin mo ang bangko sa pagdefault mo?

Edited November 4, 2015 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

Una inutil ang PCGG at ang mga naghahabol kila marcos. Pangalawa, malamang me sabwatan na sila. Eitherway, pagkukulang pa din ito ng gobyerno.

 

 

 

 

I agree on both. Magagaling ang mga lawyers ng mga Marcoses. Estelito Mendoza was one of the brightest lawyers we ever had. Kaya nga pati si Lucio Tan hindi rin natatalo sa kahit anong tax cases because of him.

Also want to add, after lifting the Martial Law, sana bumitiw na sa pwesto si Marcos since his health is failing by that time. Baka siguro si Ninoy hindi napatay and KBL is still running the govt.

[Edmund Dantes]

 

I agree on both. Magagaling ang mga lawyers ng mga Marcoses. Estelito Mendoza was one of the brightest lawyers we ever had. Kaya nga pati si Lucio Tan hindi rin natatalo sa kahit anong tax cases because of him.

Also want to add, after lifting the Martial Law, sana bumitiw na sa pwesto si Marcos since his health is failing by that time. Baka siguro si Ninoy hindi napatay and KBL is still running the govt.

 

Ito lang ang alam ko, kung yung pumalit sana ginawa dapat para sulusyunan yung maraming problema iniwan ng Marcos administration, kung sana umunlad talaga tayo. Kung sana nakulong nga ang mga marcos at iba pang plunderer sa Pilipinas, Kung binigyan lang tayo ng totoong demokrasya, sana ang publiko ngayon hindi magtatanong ng "Di kaya mas umaasenso pa tayo kay Apo?"

 

Democracy is more than having "rights". Its a system of government where the greater interest of the people is prioritized. Ang meron tayo sistema na ang priority interest ng political families at mayayaman.

[rooster69ph]

 

I agree on both. Magagaling ang mga lawyers ng mga Marcoses. Estelito Mendoza was one of the brightest lawyers we ever had. Kaya nga pati si Lucio Tan hindi rin natatalo sa kahit anong tax cases because of him.

Also want to add, after lifting the Martial Law, sana bumitiw na sa pwesto si Marcos since his health is failing by that time. Baka siguro si Ninoy hindi napatay and KBL is still running the govt.

 

Unang una, nun buhay pa si Makoy laging dinadahilan na may sakit ito at hindi makaharap sa korte. At nun namatay na ito siyempre pwede mo bang ma-convict ang isang patay na?

 

Siyempre may pagkukulang din ang mga nagdaang administration. May napabalitang sablay ang pinaggagawa ng PCGG. Hindi natin alam kung sinadya o talagang inutil kaya natalo sa technicality. Si Imelda na na convict nun 1993 binaligtad ang conviction nun 1998 ... kauupo pa lang ni Erap nun. Alam naman natin gaano kalapit si Erap sa mga Marcos. Hindi po ba inendorso ni Meldy si Erap sa last minute nun 1998. Ngayong tatakbong vice is BBM hindi ba nangunguna si Erap sa nagtaas ng kamay nito. At may administration din nakipagcompromise deal na lang imbes na ipagpatuloy ang kaso. Kahit si BBM inamin/sinabi na "they will continue to do so"