We Are Awesome Thread

[rooster69ph]

Ang tanong nga.... anong ebidensya? nasan? pangkiskis lang ng puwit mga handouts ni Trillanes. Kahit sinong me computer kaya gumawa nun. At bakit ba di nya nilalabas si Joseph De Mesa? Ano totoong tao ba ito?

 

There is no need actually for this media circus. Reading the AMLA and anti-graft practices act, Duterte's bank accounts can be scrutinized IF PROBABLE CAUSE is established in spite of having RA1405. Yes sinabing ganun.... Promise

 

So ayun naman pala, all he really needed was prove me probable cause.... O ba't di nya magawa?

At this point there is no way to verify ... And only the bank itself can do that upon execution of a written waiver to 1405.

 

Pwede naman un sinasabi mo nasa handouts ay gawa gawa lang o pwede naman may isang taga loob ng bangko ang nag feed ng info at sinummarize or maaring kinopya ito sa original bank statement.

 

May pinagkaiba ba yan kapag nakita mo un cash ledger ng isang kumpanya without seeing the bank statement of the account. Can you at that point say with full certainty whether the figures or entries are true or gawa gawa lang.

[Edmund Dantes]

At this point there is no way to verify ... And only the bank itself can do that upon execution of a written waiver to 1405.

 

Pwede naman un sinasabi mo nasa handouts ay gawa gawa lang o pwede naman may isang taga loob ng bangko ang nag feed ng info at sinummarize or maaring kinopya ito sa original bank statement.

 

May pinagkaiba ba yan kapag nakita mo un cash ledger ng isang kumpanya without seeing the bank statement of the account. Can you at that point say with full certainty whether the figures or entries are true or gawa gawa lang.

 

Oh no no nooooooooo!

 

The AMLC can actually scrutinize the bank account NOTWITHSTANDING RA1405 (Yes AMLA says that!) should probable cause be established. Hahahaha. He does not need a waiver, only an established probable cause. Even the anti-graft practices act says something similar.

 

Ayun masyado naman pinalalaki yan kapangyarihan ng RA1405 na yan kasi lol.

 

Bakit ako magtuturo kung alin dyan totoo o hindi? Problema yan ni Trillanes dapat. Sya nagaakusa eh. Kung me matibay syang basehan, di get the court order. Kung wala, he should just stick his handouts up his ass for all we care!

[rooster69ph]

Oh no no nooooooooo!

 

The AMLC can actually scrutinize the bank account NOTWITHSTANDING RA1405 (Yes AMLA says that!) should probable cause be established. Hahahaha. He does not need a waiver, only an established probable cause. Even the anti-graft practices act says something similar.

 

Ayun masyado naman pinalalaki yan kapangyarihan ng RA1405 na yan kasi lol.

 

Bakit ako magtuturo kung alin dyan totoo o hindi? Problema yan ni Trillanes dapat. Sya nagaakusa eh. Kung me matibay syang basehan, di get the court order. Kung wala, he should just stick his handouts up his ass for all we care!

For me yes the burden of truth is with Trillanes kaso pinatulan niya eh. Kung seryoso at transparent siya at sinabi niyang magbibigay ng waiver then problema na niya din yan kung urong sulong siya at di maibigay yun waiver para matapos na ang issue. Nakakapagduda tuloy imbes na patayin ang issue.

 

The banks are supposed to report covered and suspicious transactions to the amlc. If the amlc finds probable cause then it files a case with the ombudsman or doj for further investigation.

 

Asa ka sa amlc at sa competency ng banking system natin sa pagrereport? Kaya nga tayo nalusutan nun hot money galing bangladesh.

Edited February 25, 2017 by rooster69ph

[Edmund Dantes]

For me yes the burden of truth is with Trillanes kaso pinatulan niya eh. Kung seryoso at transparent siya at sinabi niyang magbibigay ng waiver then problema na niya din yan kung urong sulong siya at di maibigay yun waiver para matapos na ang issue. Nakakapagduda tuloy imbes na patayin ang issue.

 

The banks are supposed to report covered and suspicious transactions to the amlc. If the amlc finds probable cause then it files a case with the ombudsman or doj for further investigation.

 

Asa ka sa amlc at sa competency ng banking system natin sa pagrereport? Kaya nga tayo nalusutan nun hot money galing bangladesh.

 

Eh pag hindi naman patulan? Admission of guilt na? Ganun na lang pala yun. Maglalabas ka ng walang basehan na paratang tapos ang presidente kelangan lagi ibigay hinihingi mga trolls? Sa dami nila, ano pang magagawang trabaho ng presidente. Tama yan! Yun nagaakusa sayo pahirapan mo. Bat ka utouto na susunod sa lahat ng hamon nya. Sya nagparatang sya nagpatunay.

 

SO ngayon are you saying huwag na lang gamitin ang batas at tamang proseso? Ganun na lang media circus na lang lagi

[rooster69ph]

Eh pag hindi naman patulan? Admission of guilt na? Ganun na lang pala yun. Maglalabas ka ng walang basehan na paratang tapos ang presidente kelangan lagi ibigay hinihingi mga trolls? Sa dami nila, ano pang magagawang trabaho ng presidente. Tama yan! Yun nagaakusa sayo pahirapan mo. Bat ka utouto na susunod sa lahat ng hamon nya. Sya nagparatang sya nagpatunay.

 

SO ngayon are you saying huwag na lang gamitin ang batas at tamang proseso? Ganun na lang media circus na lang lagi

Yeah right pahirapan ang trolls at bakit utuuto? hahaha what a lame excuse .... The fact of the matter is humirit siya na magbibigay ng waiver probably just to show the people he is clean ang transparent. Kaya nga pinapunta pa niya si Panelo sa bangko na may spa. Pero mr president malinaw naman sa batas na waiver ang kailangan at yun din ang sinabi mong ibibigay mo. Sinong niloloko mo mr president.

 

Remember yun sinabi ni Digong na magbibigay ng waiver hindi siya legally liable for not doing so but he has the moral obligation to do it since he volunteered so don't justify yun hindi niya pagbigay ng waiver by hiding sa legalidad ng batas at sasabihin the burden of proof is on trillanes. If he really wants to come out clean and change the perception of doubters who knows what he issued was not a waiver and thus has no legal basis for the bank to disclose his bank transactions. Ganun din yun utos niya sa amlc to disclose in order to counter the allegations. Both have zero value but pogi points yan sa kanya to those ignorant.

 

Admission of guilt ba kapag hindi pinatulan? Legally speaking ...We all know hindi ganun yun so don't argue in such manner just to tilt the argument in your favor. But of course sa perception ng tao, hindi maiiwasan na pagdudahan ng ilan. Simple lang naman yan ... If he was falsely accused he could have denied it, asked Trillanes to prove his allegations in court, and just shut the f#&k up. Classic example si Binay despite all the allegations and investigations he just continously deny all these accusations and wait for the charges to be filed. He never offered anything to prove his denial or defense. Eh kaso nga palaban si Digong hinamon siya eh lumaban naman at patutunayan daw na malinis siya so maglalabas siya ng waiver eh di naman pala kayang ilabas. Both are lawyers but it seems the other one is smarter kasi hindi nagpadalos sa bugso ng damdamin.

 

Meron ba nagsasabing huwag idaan sa tamang legal na proseso?

Edited February 26, 2017 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

Come on sino ba ang hindi kahit minsan nag point ng accusing finger to anyone? Ikaw?

 

Remember kahit may naipakitang mansion napatunayan ba na kay binay un? Legally hindi di ba? Am not defending binay here pero tulad nito its an accusation and we are both on the same page as to our opinion on this na sa tingin natin guilty si binay di ba.

 

Nasa korte na yun kung mapatunayan yung kay Binay pero at least may physical evidence kang tinuturo na nakaw yaman yun at hindi laway. Kaya nga bumagsak si BInay sa masa dahil doon pero ngayon walng pumapatol kay Trillanes kasi laway lang wala siayng ibang ebidensyang pinapakita.

[Edmund Dantes]

Yeah right pahirapan ang trolls at bakit utuuto? hahaha what a lame excuse .... The fact of the matter is humirit siya na magbibigay ng waiver probably just to show the people he is clean ang transparent. Kaya nga pinapunta pa niya si Panelo sa bangko na may spa. Pero mr president malinaw naman sa batas na waiver ang kailangan at yun din ang sinabi mong ibibigay mo. Sinong niloloko mo mr president.

 

Remember yun sinabi ni Digong na magbibigay ng waiver hindi siya legally liable for not doing so but he has the moral obligation to do it since he volunteered so don't justify yun hindi niya pagbigay ng waiver by hiding sa legalidad ng batas at sasabihin the burden of proof is on trillanes. If he really wants to come out clean and change the perception of doubters who knows what he issued was not a waiver and thus has no legal basis for the bank to disclose his bank transactions. Ganun din yun utos niya sa amlc to disclose in order to counter the allegations. Both have zero value but pogi points yan sa kanya to those ignorant.

 

Admission of guilt ba kapag hindi pinatulan? Legally speaking ...We all know hindi ganun yun so don't argue in such manner just to tilt the argument in your favor. But of course sa perception ng tao, hindi maiiwasan na pagdudahan ng ilan. Simple lang naman yan ... If he was falsely accused he could have denied it, asked Trillanes to prove his allegations in court, and just shut the f#&k up. Classic example si Binay despite all the allegations and investigations he just continously deny all these accusations and wait for the charges to be filed. He never offered anything to prove his denial or defense. Eh kaso nga palaban si Digong hinamon siya eh lumaban naman at patutunayan daw na malinis siya so maglalabas siya ng waiver eh di naman pala kayang ilabas. Both are lawyers but it seems the other one is smarter kasi hindi nagpadalos sa bugso ng damdamin.

 

Meron ba nagsasabing huwag idaan sa tamang legal na proseso?

 

It seems ikaw ang gumagawa dito ng excuses para kay Trillanes. And come on! He will not shut up! Did he shut up nga nung lumabas na negative drug test ni Paolo? Did he shut up nung yun property na sinasabi nyang kay Digong, eh lumabas pagme-mayari pala ng kaapilyedo lang?

 

Walang obligasyon presidente na patulan ito. Si Trillanes me obligasyon na patunayan paratang nya.

 

Besides, para kay Trillanes hindi naman pinakaimportante dito mapatunayan nya na tama o mali paratang nya. Ang importante nakagawa sya ng bad press. Parang di na tayo nasanay sa asong ulol na ito.

 

Nasa korte na yun kung mapatunayan yung kay Binay pero at least may physical evidence kang tinuturo na nakaw yaman yun at hindi laway. Kaya nga bumagsak si BInay sa masa dahil doon pero ngayon walng pumapatol kay Trillanes kasi laway lang wala siayng ibang ebidensyang pinapakita.

 

 

Like I said, for Trillanes, its not about proving that he is right or wrong. Its simply about stirring up a media circus hoping it would hurt duterte's popularity. He takes orders from LP to do just this.

[rooster69ph]

It seems ikaw ang gumagawa dito ng excuses para kay Trillanes. And come on! He will not shut up! Did he shut up nga nung lumabas na negative drug test ni Paolo? Did he shut up nung yun property na sinasabi nyang kay Digong, eh lumabas pagme-mayari pala ng kaapilyedo lang?

 

Walang obligasyon presidente na patulan ito. Si Trillanes me obligasyon na patunayan paratang nya.

 

Besides, para kay Trillanes hindi naman pinakaimportante dito mapatunayan nya na tama o mali paratang nya. Ang importante nakagawa sya ng bad press. Parang di na tayo nasanay sa asong ulol na ito.

 

 

Like I said, for Trillanes, its not about proving that he is right or wrong. Its simply about stirring up a media circus hoping it would hurt duterte's popularity. He takes orders from LP to do just this.

Ganito lang yan ... Kung ano man ang ginawa ni Trillanes maaring may sablay at may iba naman eh pumuntos siya.

 

Now as for me and my opinion, sa issue ng pag issue ng waiver i will hold duterte morally liable and i'm not making excuses for Trillanes. Oo walang obligasyon ang presidente na patulan ito, pero pinatulan niya na. Nangako siya so as a citizen i am holding him accountable for his promises as a public servant in the spirit of transparency. As to the other issues which sabi mo nga pumalpak si Trillanes, did you see me defend him or kumampi sa kanya on these? As to whether he shut up or not that is his perogative. Ultimately he should be accountable for his actions.

 

So he is talking orders from LP. may proof ka ba? Yun matibay na ebidensiya ha kasi kung hindi para lang din yan accusation ni Trillanes na naka exel. Nirereklamo mo pero pag ikaw ang gumawa ok lang.

Edited February 27, 2017 by rooster69ph

[rooster69ph]

Nasa korte na yun kung mapatunayan yung kay Binay pero at least may physical evidence kang tinuturo na nakaw yaman yun at hindi laway. Kaya nga bumagsak si BInay sa masa dahil doon pero ngayon walng pumapatol kay Trillanes kasi laway lang wala siayng ibang ebidensyang pinapakita.

Physical evidence na hindi nakapangalan sa kanya .... Na sa iyo na mismo nanggaling na korte ang huhusga.

 

Pero At this point nothing is proven and yet sabi ko nga we both have pre-judged him. Sa kanya ok lang pero pag si duterte na idol mo magrereklamo ka pag na pre-judged.

 

Walang ebidensiya? May bank accounts na nabanggit, verified na kay Digong ang mga accounts na yon. May transaction summary na pinakita na ideneny ni Digong. Sabi niya patutunayan niya na mali ang paratang ni Trillanes at magbibigay siya ng waiver. Ang tanong bakit hindi niya mabigay-bigay para magkaalaman na. Remember he volunteered na magbibigay ng waiver. Wala naman mawawala sa kanya kung wala siyang itinatago. In fact makakabuti pa nga lalo kay digong kasi he would be transparent and be able to prove the false accusations against him.

 

So what kung walang pumatol,does it mean he is not guilty at kung madaming pumatol then one is? Pwede naman kasi na kaya wala masyadong pumatol dahil mas madami ang hindi naniniwala hindi dahil napatunayan na mali ang paratang kundi dahil sadyang maka duterte lamang. Yun sa senado at kongreso its a numbers game. Nagkataon lang madaming kampi kay Digong kaya suportado siya at di uusad ang mga issues kahit totoo.

Edited February 27, 2017 by rooster69ph

[Edmund Dantes]

Ganito lang yan ... Kung ano man ang ginawa ni Trillanes maaring may sablay at may iba naman eh pumuntos siya.

 

Now as for me and my opinion, sa issue ng pag issue ng waiver i will hold duterte morally liable and i'm not making excuses for Trillanes. Oo walang obligasyon ang presidente na patulan ito, pero pinatulan niya na. Nangako siya so as a citizen i am holding him accountable for his promises as a public servant in the spirit of transparency. As to the other issues which sabi mo nga pumalpak si Trillanes, did you see me defend him or kumampi sa kanya on these? As to whether he shut up or not that is his perogative. Ultimately he should be accountable for his actions.

 

So he is talking orders from LP. may proof ka ba? Yun matibay na ebidensiya ha kasi kung hindi para lang din yan accusation ni Trillanes na naka exel. Nirereklamo mo pero pag ikaw ang gumawa ok lang.

 

Transparency should work both ways. If you truly want transparency how come not once you have questioned yun pinagbasehan ni Trillanes ng spreadsheet nya? The moral responsibility here lies more on Trillanes dahil sya nagpaparatang. Ano ba masama ilabas nya lahat ng pruweba nya. Hindi naman kelangan pahamon hamon pa, all he needs is probable cause. Hindi naman ganun katindi pangil ng ra1405.

 

In the same way, its also the president's prerogative to give in, or tell trillanes that he can go f#&k himself. No he will not shut up. The simple fact of the matter is that, yun mga sablay nya proves that he is the one in fact with questionable credibility. Sugod lang ng sugod, di bale kung tama o mali, yan ba ang mga kelangan pa idignify?

 

Yes I am saying that he takes orders from LP. I do not need to prove it. ikaw dapat magpatunay na mali ako, kundi ibig sabihin tama lang sinasabi ko lol'

[rooster69ph]

Transparency should work both ways. If you truly want transparency how come not once you have questioned yun pinagbasehan ni Trillanes ng spreadsheet nya? The moral responsibility here lies more on Trillanes dahil sya nagpaparatang. Ano ba masama ilabas nya lahat ng pruweba nya. Hindi naman kelangan pahamon hamon pa, all he needs is probable cause. Hindi naman ganun katindi pangil ng ra1405.

 

In the same way, its also the president's prerogative to give in, or tell trillanes that he can go f#&k himself. No he will not shut up. The simple fact of the matter is that, yun mga sablay nya proves that he is the one in fact with questionable credibility. Sugod lang ng sugod, di bale kung tama o mali, yan ba ang mga kelangan pa idignify?

 

Yes I am saying that he takes orders from LP. I do not need to prove it. ikaw dapat magpatunay na mali ako, kundi ibig sabihin tama lang sinasabi ko lol'

Nope trillanes has the legal obligation to prove his accusations to pin duterte down. Otherwise it will remain as such ...allegations. In fact kung kasinungalingan lang yun bakit hindi idemanda ni duterte? Duterte has the perogative kung papatulan niya o hindi. He opted na patulan at nangakong magbibigay ng waiver just to prove to trillanes as well as the filipinos that he is clean thus he now have the moral obligation to comply.

 

First and foremost it was proven that the account existed. Now had the president not volunteered to give a waiver then i would have given him the benefit of the doubt. But since umurong sulong siya eh nakakapagduda siya. What is there to hide if it does not exist?

 

Oh yeah may taong galit na galit sa kung anu-anong akusasyon ni trillanes at dapat patunayan daw ang akusasyon. Look at yourself now...you are accusing him of taking orders from the LP and yet when asked to prove it you can't and want to pass the burden. Anong pinagkaiba mo kay trillanes kung ganon ...marunong ka lang ding magakusa di ba.

Edited February 28, 2017 by rooster69ph

[Edmund Dantes]

Nope trillanes has the legal obligation to prove his accusations to pin duterte down. Otherwise it will remain as such ...allegations. In fact kung kasinungalingan lang yun bakit hindi idemanda ni duterte? Duterte has the perogative kung papatulan niya o hindi. He opted na patulan at nangakong magbibigay ng waiver just to prove to trillanes as well as the filipinos that he is clean thus he now have the moral obligation to comply.

 

First and foremost it was proven that the account existed. Now had the president not volunteered to give a waiver then i would have given him the benefit of the doubt. But since umurong sulong siya eh nakakapagduda siya. What is there to hide if it does not exist?

 

Oh yeah may taong galit na galit sa kung anu-anong akusasyon ni trillanes at dapat patunayan daw ang akusasyon. Look at yourself now...you are accusing him of taking orders from the LP and yet when asked to prove it you can't and want to pass the burden. Anong pinagkaiba mo kay trillanes kung ganon ...marunong ka lang ding magakusa di ba.

 

 

AYun nakay Trillanes pala legal obligation, at prerogative ni Duterte patulan o hindi. SO anong problema mo? Ayaw nya na ito patulan pa. Andyan naman AMLA, all thats needed to be done is for Trillanes to present probable cause. SO he was met halfway.

 

Nakakaduda na ayaw na patulan pa ito ng Presidente, pero hindi ka kahit kelan nagduda kung bakit noon eh niligawan nya si Duterte maging running mate, tapos ngayon sasabihin nung 2015 nya pa daw alam yun tungkol sa tagong yaman nya at mga pinapatay. Nung 2015 pa daw alam! Samantalang nung tinanong kung bakit nung eleksyon daw sya nagsalita sa mga bank accounts, ang sabi kung nalaman nya daw mas maaga, mas maaga nya nilabas. O ano ba talaga?

 

Kaya nga I am using the same tactic. Patunayan mo dapat na mali ako. I do not need to present proof. Ikaw dapat patunay na mali ako

[rooster69ph]

 

 

AYun nakay Trillanes pala legal obligation, at prerogative ni Duterte patulan o hindi. SO anong problema mo? Ayaw nya na ito patulan pa. Andyan naman AMLA, all thats needed to be done is for Trillanes to present probable cause. SO he was met halfway.

 

Nakakaduda na ayaw na patulan pa ito ng Presidente, pero hindi ka kahit kelan nagduda kung bakit noon eh niligawan nya si Duterte maging running mate, tapos ngayon sasabihin nung 2015 nya pa daw alam yun tungkol sa tagong yaman nya at mga pinapatay. Nung 2015 pa daw alam! Samantalang nung tinanong kung bakit nung eleksyon daw sya nagsalita sa mga bank accounts, ang sabi kung nalaman nya daw mas maaga, mas maaga nya nilabas. O ano ba talaga?

 

Kaya nga I am using the same tactic. Patunayan mo dapat na mali ako. I do not need to present proof. Ikaw dapat patunay na mali ako

Prerogative nga niya eh pinatulan niya eh. Sabi niya magbibigay ng waiver...nasaan na?

 

Kaya sinasabi ko kung saan mas convenient sa iyo dun ka ... double standards. Lol si why would i bother its prerogative anyway

[Edmund Dantes]

Prerogative nga niya eh pinatulan niya eh. Sabi niya magbibigay ng waiver...nasaan na?

 

Kaya sinasabi ko kung saan mas convenient sa iyo dun ka ... double standards. Lol si why would i bother its prerogative anyway

 

Eh ayaw nya na patulan. Prerogative nya din yun, tsaka sayo na nangaling nakay Trillanes obligasyon na patunayan sinasabi nya.

 

OO ikaw din double standard ka. Akusahan si De Lima, kelangan me convincing evidence. Pag si Digong inakusahan no convincing needed at all.

[rooster69ph]

Eh ayaw nya na patulan. Prerogative nya din yun, tsaka sayo na nangaling nakay Trillanes obligasyon na patunayan sinasabi nya.

 

 

Kung gayon preogative ko rin na pagdudahan siya dahil style niya bulok ....

 

Nagmamalinis at maglalabas ng waiver hindi naman pala kaya.

 

And prerogative din ni trillanes na sabihin niya kung ano ang gusto niya about duterte. Prerogative din ni duterte kasuhan si trillanes kung sa tingin niya na agrabyado siya sa mga paratang nito. Bakit hindi niya kasuhan kung wala naman maipakitang pruweba si trillanes gayong kaawa-awa naman siya sa mga "kasinungalingan na paratang" nito? Lol.