Falling For A Therapist - Merged Thread

[longhairdude]

Pag ibig nga naman, well during sa experience ko mga kakosa kailangan talagang may pera para matustusan ang mga needs and wants ng girl to stop doing the darksides.In that case pwede na sya mag stop pero hindi mo rin sya masisi kung yan ang source of living nya kasi thats the only way para mgkapera at jan mo na kilala. SO kung inlove talga busog din dapat ang bulsa.

Edited June 12, 2014 by longhairdude

[lelouch2000]

@edmund cant seem to send a pm right now. Ill try once i get a hold.of a computer. You can pm me haha .

Btw i appreciate what your saying. Really cant talk abput it.with ny friends because last time i tried they did not take me seriously. Hear from you soon bro

 

maganda mga advice ni Edmund Dantes.. xa ang nakatulong sakin ng malaki, iba kasi ang feeling pagnapaxok ka sa ganyang situation.

nakakatulong lalo na sa mga tulad natin na dumadaan sa ganitong situation.

sa ngaun medyo ayos na ako kahit papano.. dumating kasi ako sa punto na halos mangalahati na ang bank account ko..

hanggang sa tignan ko ung passbook ko at nagulat na naisip ko lintik na tong pinaggagagawa ko.

Magastos masyado ang ganung situation pero di ko naman masisi ang sarili ko dahil nanggaling ako sa break up with my ex gf...

Ganun pa man nalaman ko na nandyan lang naman ung reg mpa ko at nagttxt dahil palagi akong napunta for her..

pero ngaung di na ako napunta dahil gusto kong ibalik ung nawalang ipon sa passbook ko ehh wala na xa...

 

Kung titignan kong mabuti ang sitwasyon, hindi ko gusto ang makipagtalik sa mpa kundi ung mabuting pag aaruga nya sakin.

Pero kung iisipin ko, isa mang illusyon ang magandang ipinapakita ng reg mpa ko ehh para ding isang panaginip na nagkakatotoo sa isang oras na magkasama kami.

Isang pangarap na makasama ang isang magandang babae.. Alagaan at arugain na parang isang nanay sa kanyang anak..

Isang pagpapanggap na pagmamahal na pinarararamdam nya sakin na kahit kelan di ko naramdaman sa ex gf ko..

 

mahirap ikwento sa mga kaibigan ang mga ganitong sitwasyon dahil tatawanan ka lang nila at sasabihin na tanga lang ang nakakaramdam ng ganyan..

Ngaun medyo natatauhan na ako, dahil nagkakaubusan na ng mga project sideline.. nawawalan na ako ng pera..

Naiisip ko na kung gano kahirap ang buhay, kung gano kahirap kitain ang pera.. At dahil dyan natitigil ang aking pagpunta sa mga mp...

 

pakinggan mo lang ung mga advice ni Edmund.. malaking tulong ung mga salitang sinasabi nya..

nakaka enlighten ng mga situation.

Goodluck sayo bro..

[boybaog]

^bakit nga ba kapag kinukwento mo sa kaibigan mo pinagtatawanan ka lang? I had the same exact experience sa barkada ko before

[Edmund Dantes]

maganda mga advice ni Edmund Dantes.. xa ang nakatulong sakin ng malaki, iba kasi ang feeling pagnapaxok ka sa ganyang situation.

nakakatulong lalo na sa mga tulad natin na dumadaan sa ganitong situation.

sa ngaun medyo ayos na ako kahit papano.. dumating kasi ako sa punto na halos mangalahati na ang bank account ko..

hanggang sa tignan ko ung passbook ko at nagulat na naisip ko lintik na tong pinaggagagawa ko.

Magastos masyado ang ganung situation pero di ko naman masisi ang sarili ko dahil nanggaling ako sa break up with my ex gf...

Ganun pa man nalaman ko na nandyan lang naman ung reg mpa ko at nagttxt dahil palagi akong napunta for her..

pero ngaung di na ako napunta dahil gusto kong ibalik ung nawalang ipon sa passbook ko ehh wala na xa...

 

Kung titignan kong mabuti ang sitwasyon, hindi ko gusto ang makipagtalik sa mpa kundi ung mabuting pag aaruga nya sakin.

Pero kung iisipin ko, isa mang illusyon ang magandang ipinapakita ng reg mpa ko ehh para ding isang panaginip na nagkakatotoo sa isang oras na magkasama kami.

Isang pangarap na makasama ang isang magandang babae.. Alagaan at arugain na parang isang nanay sa kanyang anak..

Isang pagpapanggap na pagmamahal na pinarararamdam nya sakin na kahit kelan di ko naramdaman sa ex gf ko..

 

mahirap ikwento sa mga kaibigan ang mga ganitong sitwasyon dahil tatawanan ka lang nila at sasabihin na tanga lang ang nakakaramdam ng ganyan..

Ngaun medyo natatauhan na ako, dahil nagkakaubusan na ng mga project sideline.. nawawalan na ako ng pera..

Naiisip ko na kung gano kahirap ang buhay, kung gano kahirap kitain ang pera.. At dahil dyan natitigil ang aking pagpunta sa mga mp...

 

pakinggan mo lang ung mga advice ni Edmund.. malaking tulong ung mga salitang sinasabi nya..

nakaka enlighten ng mga situation.

Goodluck sayo bro..

 

Huwag mo na masyado panghinayangan pera, kikitain mo lang naman ulit yan eh. Pero yung pride mahirap hirap bawiin yan. Glad to see you are doing better. Just keep working on yourself improvement lang parekoy, at isang araw makakatingin ka ulit sa salamin at magiging proud ka sa sarili mo

[Edmund Dantes]

^bakit nga ba kapag kinukwento mo sa kaibigan mo pinagtatawanan ka lang? I had the same exact experience sa barkada ko before

 

Kasi emotionally detached sila. So sa utak nila lahat black and white lang lagi. Hindi sila tumatapak sa gray area kung baga.

 

Hindi sa sinasabi kong ok lang na tawanan natin at husgahan ang mga taong sumasabit sa ganito. Pero sa isang banda mga parekoy, dapat kasi pilitin natin maging emotionally detached. Kaya nagkakanda lito lito tayo, dahil masyado natin pinapakinggan emosyon natin. Kaya minsan magandang humingi ng payo sa isang taong emotionally detached at sasabihin sayo kung ano yung totoo at hindi yung gusto mo lang marinig.

 

Ganun pa man, ang tunay na kaibigan dapat gumabay at umalalay hindi dapat mangutya. Maging honest pero huwag kastiguhin. Lahat naman tayo pwede pumalpak sa mga naging decisons natin. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na yung pagkakamali ang magdikta ng buong pagkatao natin. Karamihan naman satin gusto bumangon at matuto at kelangan lang ng konting pagalalay.

 

Ganito na lang siguro, isang araw pag magaling na lahat ng sugat at nahanap na natin kaligayahan at kapayapaan, babalikan natin itong mga karanasan natin at tatawa na lang tayo. Nagkaroon ako ng ex maraming taon na ang nakakaraan na iniyakan ko ng sobra, at tinawanan din ako ng barkada kung bakit ko pinanghihinayangan yung babaeng yun. After some time, nahimasmasan din ako. Ngayon sinasabi ko na lang "Kung maalala ko ang sarili ko kung pano kita iniyakan noon, natatawa na lang ako".

[boybaog]

Kasi emotionally detached sila. So sa utak nila lahat black and white lang lagi. Hindi sila tumatapak sa gray area kung baga.

 

Hindi sa sinasabi kong ok lang na tawanan natin at husgahan ang mga taong sumasabit sa ganito. Pero sa isang banda mga parekoy, dapat kasi pilitin natin maging emotionally detached. Kaya nagkakanda lito lito tayo, dahil masyado natin pinapakinggan emosyon natin. Kaya minsan magandang humingi ng payo sa isang taong emotionally detached at sasabihin sayo kung ano yung totoo at hindi yung gusto mo lang marinig.

 

Ganun pa man, ang tunay na kaibigan dapat gumabay at umalalay hindi dapat mangutya. Maging honest pero huwag kastiguhin. Lahat naman tayo pwede pumalpak sa mga naging decisons natin. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na yung pagkakamali ang magdikta ng buong pagkatao natin. Karamihan naman satin gusto bumangon at matuto at kelangan lang ng konting pagalalay.

 

Ganito na lang siguro, isang araw pag magaling na lahat ng sugat at nahanap na natin kaligayahan at kapayapaan, babalikan natin itong mga karanasan natin at tatawa na lang tayo. Nagkaroon ako ng ex maraming taon na ang nakakaraan na iniyakan ko ng sobra, at tinawanan din ako ng barkada kung bakit ko pinanghihinayangan yung babaeng yun. After some time, nahimasmasan din ako. Ngayon sinasabi ko na lang "Kung maalala ko ang sarili ko kung pano kita iniyakan noon, natatawa na lang ako".

 

 

Wow sir thanks. the way you express yourself. parang nakakailang reincarnation ka na sa mundo, wise man and dating hehehe

[Edmund Dantes]

Wow sir thanks. the way you express yourself. parang nakakailang reincarnation ka na sa mundo, wise man and dating hehehe

 

Hehehe, tumatanda na siguro din tayo, dumadami na din puting buhok eh

[DorkVader]

Happened to me too. I have a lot of Thera friends who know her. Most of them told me to stay away. I did not listen because I did not care. All I knew was she really liked me and she was forced into that line of work because of circumstances. She had a lot of bad fr's and some good ones too. . .really graphic ones after some time. Then she just changed over time. Instead of telling me straight that she doesn't want to even talk to me anymore, she treated me like dirt. She stopped answering my calls and ignored my texts. The very few times when she did, ang sasakit ng mga sinabi for no reason at all. Para siyang naka experience ng crash pag bumaba na ang high or tama. She was always irritated with me. I know this is not reflective of all theras but this was my experience. By the way, just a couple of months ago she texted me to see how I am doing these days. I must admit old feelings came back but I can sense that after a few days, she hasn't lost her talent for sharp and hurtful words. Sabi ko na lang "I wish you all the luck and that you find someone who will be good to you, sincerely." And I meant it for I still care for her, but I said my goodbyes.

[Bloodaxe]

I dont see anything wrong with that man. Just do whatever makes you feel happy regardless of what others might say.

even the best ones fall down sometimes... heheheh ok lang yan.

 

if you doubt what youre doing, don't do it

[Edmund Dantes]

I dont see anything wrong with that man. Just do whatever makes you feel happy regardless of what others might say.

 

Hmmm, if I may offer the flip side to that.

 

Siguro its safe to say na karamihan ng mga kwento dito, kadalasan sa umpisa lang nagiging masaya at sa huli marami rami din ang nasaktan at nahirapan.

 

Masyado kasing simplistic kung yan lang ang magiging katwiran natin. Na gawin natin ang makakapagpasaya satin. OO tama naman yun. Nga lang, hindi naman ibig sabihin komo masaya ka sa isang bagay ay tama na yung ginagawa mo para sa sarili mo di ba? Yes life is about taking risks, but learn also to calculate your risk properly. Never take a chance if the reward does not outweigh the risk. And like what I always say, when it comes to partnerships as much as possible never shortchange yourself. Ayos ba parekoy?

 

I know, malamang gusto mo sabihin na hayaan natin sila kasi nga naman buhay nila yan. Kung sumablay sila eh di learning experience. Yeah well true, but sometimes we can avoid learning things the hardway naman. Kaya nga sa huli ang isang taong nasasaktan laging sinasabi "Kung alam ko lang dati pa, kung natutunan ko noon ang natutunan ko ngayon, kung mas nagisip lang sana ako etc."

 

Anyway for the sake of discussion lang naman ito hehehe

[lelouch2000]

Just want to ask something guys...

Nararamdaman nyo ba na kapag ung reg MPA nyo or the MPA that you like ehh pinagpipiyestahan ng mga lalaki dito sa MP forum

ay parang nasasaktan kayo? It's been a long time na di ko na nakita ung reg mpa for some financial reason. I want to save kasi next year try ko mag invest or stocks..

Bakit ba ako nasasaktan tuwing nakikita ko ang name nya dito sa MP forum..

Dpat ang nararamdaman ko ehh dapat maturn off ako sa kanya pero bakit ako nasasaktan pag nakikita ko ang pangalan nya???

Edited June 17, 2014 by lelouch2000

[kali7]

Just want to ask something guys...

Nararamdaman nyo ba na kapag ung reg MPA nyo or the MPA that you like ehh pinagpipiyestahan ng mga lalaki dito sa MP forum

ay parang nasasaktan kayo? It's been a long time na di ko na nakita ung reg mpa for some financial reason. I want to save kasi next year try ko mag invest or stocks..

Bakit ba ako nasasaktan tuwing nakikita ko ang name nya dito sa MP forum..

Dpat ang nararamdaman ko ehh dapat maturn off ako sa kanya pero bakit ako nasasaktan pag nakikita ko ang pangalan nya???

 

Because its not yet fully healed and puso mo. And may selos din ba na nararamdaman? Deep inside you may still want na masolo mo siya and take her out sa industry. Best thing is don't read yung thread na yun, I know its hard kasi di ko rin magawa. Hahaha. Nasa iwas mode ka pa lang and yung feeling mo sa kanya may natitira pa kaya ganyan nararamdaman mo. Same here. Lol

[Edmund Dantes]

Because its not yet fully healed and puso mo. And may selos din ba na nararamdaman? Deep inside you may still want na masolo mo siya and take her out sa industry. Best thing is don't read yung thread na yun, I know its hard kasi di ko rin magawa. Hahaha. Nasa iwas mode ka pa lang and yung feeling mo sa kanya may natitira pa kaya ganyan nararamdaman mo. Same here. Lol

 

Yes I totally agree, very well said. Ito nga talaga yung mga pagkakataon na huwag na huwag ka makikinig sa nararamdaman mo kasi ipapahamak ka nyan. Kung di man yan kaya matanggap pa ng puso mo (Kasi nga ang puso daw parang batang paslit na matigas minsan ang ulo), itanim mo na lang muna yan sa utak mo.

 

Dagdag ko lang

 

Pag dating talaga sa babaeng pagbibigyan ng emotional investment, bad investment talaga yung mga babae na bibigyan ka ng ganitong insecurity. Dapat sayong sayo lang ang babae at di papahawak sa iba.

[Intuition]

i am currently in a relationship with a PSP. she is also pregnant with my child (presumably). i dont know how long we would last. but here are some things worth noting:

 

 

-she is 18 years old, and has no children.

 

-she never asked for money. but if and when she runs out of money, she will go back to being a PSP. she'd rather be a PSP than ask her bf (me) for money.

 

-she is very low maintenance. below 10k living expenses. having said that, she is also very poor. she hates the things that typical girls like. i had to force her to get something from Forever 21. until now, she'd rather shop at divisoria. she is not as materialistic as most PSPs.

 

-she doesn't give much money to her family. i made a deal with her that if her family begins treating me like an ATM, she would have to choose between me and them. she told me "ikaw na ang pamilya ko, ikaw ang pipiliin ko."

 

-she compromises, although she is very very stubborn

 

-if we break up, she is going back to being a PSP. a psp will always be a psp when she is in financial troubles and when someone is still willing to pay for them

 

-all psp's have vices, mine is meth. she has given it up because of her pregnancy. i made it clear that i will break up with her if she goes back to it.

 

-we would have already broken up if i did not get her pregnant. but being in this situation, we saw ourselves in a different light, and in the process, fell deeper in love. back when she wasn't pregnant, she was still being a PSP, and doing meth. she just gave me free sex but never kept promises. when i told her i was already in love with her before she even got pregnant, she could not believe it. all she knew was that we were playing a game and she enjoyed it, but really could not sacrifice anything for me.

 

-we are very much in love, and are doing our best to make it work. she is trying to go back to normal life, trying to finish her highschool and all. while i am preparing myself for our child. i also told my family about it (only half of the story, of course). i am currently in hell for it, but the good thing that came out of it is now she trusts me. she saw what i sacrificed and in turn, she is committing to me too.

 

-her motivation is having a normal family, with a child who has a father. that is why she is doing things to keep me in the relationship. i almost left her once. i told her: i am going to leave her because she will always be a PSP no matter what, and i do not have time to deal with a meth addict. i will pay for child support and i will get lawyers involved when the child is 7, so our child will live with me. when i said it, i left her money and broke up with her. she went for me and told me she will do her best to be normal. she also returned my money.

 

-i am always ready to break up with her. while i love her very much ... i always keep it to myself that if she betrays me, i will not allow myself to feel bad if she does so. i keep telling her "you have a chance to live a normal life with no financial problems, with a man who loves you very much and is willing to be a family with you. do not betray my trust." i guess you can say it is important to always be prepared with PSPs ... you cant give them your everything and you should not allow yourself to keep on forgiving them for the same mistakes

 

-having said that, i am also careful not to betray her trust, because she will go back to her old life.

 

the way i see it, MPs and GROs and PSPs are just like us ... they have a lot of things to lose if they commit to a GM and leave their jobs. they are hesitant at first, because after all, it is not the first time they tried to have a relationship with a client, and they have had their hearts broken. if they can trust you, perhaps they can leave their old lives behind.

 

but then again, what do i know? ... to be honest, i dont even know what will happen to us.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Intuition

[boylib]

Damn. I wonder how many untold stories of situations like these are. Hahaha magical talaga maging romantico/tanga no offense meant guys I am also in the same boat.

 

Also if any of you guys have happy endings with the same situation, please do share.

Edited June 19, 2014 by boylib

[tressaiyo]

i was about to fall in love with a GRO.. buti at napigilan ko.

[ej_qn]

I had meeting of the minds moment with a lot of ladies in that industry but I also made it my habit to do a reality check on what will happen on the long run and if that doesn't work I simply walk around the mall or any public place and see many other beautiful ladies out there who aren't in their line of work. Ayun, snapped out agad ako. Don't need the added complication. Honestly, majority of these girls end up with their clients for financial reasons and because of those financial reasons of providing for them they end up "loving" them. Loving out of necessity is different from just purely loving.

[Rearden]

i am currently in a relationship with a PSP. she is also pregnant with my child (presumably). i dont know how long we would last. but here are some things worth noting:

 

 

-she is 18 years old, and has no children.

 

-she never asked for money. but if and when she runs out of money, she will go back to being a PSP. she'd rather be a PSP than ask her bf (me) for money.

 

-she is very low maintenance. below 10k living expenses. having said that, she is also very poor. she hates the things that typical girls like. i had to force her to get something from Forever 21. until now, she'd rather shop at divisoria. she is not as materialistic as most PSPs.

 

-she doesn't give much money to her family. i made a deal with her that if her family begins treating me like an ATM, she would have to choose between me and them. she told me "ikaw na ang pamilya ko, ikaw ang pipiliin ko."

 

-she compromises, although she is very very stubborn

 

-if we break up, she is going back to being a PSP. a psp will always be a psp when she is in financial troubles and when someone is still willing to pay for them

 

-all psp's have vices, mine is meth. she has given it up because of her pregnancy. i made it clear that i will break up with her if she goes back to it.

 

-we would have already broken up if i did not get her pregnant. but being in this situation, we saw ourselves in a different light, and in the process, fell deeper in love. back when she wasn't pregnant, she was still being a PSP, and doing meth. she just gave me free sex but never kept promises. when i told her i was already in love with her before she even got pregnant, she could not believe it. all she knew was that we were playing a game and she enjoyed it, but really could not sacrifice anything for me.

 

-we are very much in love, and are doing our best to make it work. she is trying to go back to normal life, trying to finish her highschool and all. while i am preparing myself for our child. i also told my family about it (only half of the story, of course). i am currently in hell for it, but the good thing that came out of it is now she trusts me. she saw what i sacrificed and in turn, she is committing to me too.

 

-her motivation is having a normal family, with a child who has a father. that is why she is doing things to keep me in the relationship. i almost left her once. i told her: i am going to leave her because she will always be a PSP no matter what, and i do not have time to deal with a meth addict. i will pay for child support and i will get lawyers involved when the child is 7, so our child will live with me. when i said it, i left her money and broke up with her. she went for me and told me she will do her best to be normal. she also returned my money.

 

-i am always ready to break up with her. while i love her very much ... i always keep it to myself that if she betrays me, i will not allow myself to feel bad if she does so. i keep telling her "you have a chance to live a normal life with no financial problems, with a man who loves you very much and is willing to be a family with you. do not betray my trust." i guess you can say it is important to always be prepared with PSPs ... you cant give them your everything and you should not allow yourself to keep on forgiving them for the same mistakes

 

-having said that, i am also careful not to betray her trust, because she will go back to her old life.

 

the way i see it, MPs and GROs and PSPs are just like us ... they have a lot of things to lose if they commit to a GM and leave their jobs. they are hesitant at first, because after all, it is not the first time they tried to have a relationship with a client, and they have had their hearts broken. if they can trust you, perhaps they can leave their old lives behind.

 

but then again, what do i know? ... to be honest, i dont even know what will happen to us.

 

 

I have a similar relationship, my partner was a GRO. We started out as fubu. Then I had to leave the country for work. Told her she can come with me or we break up. I'm not gonna pay (support) for something that is not mine.

 

She agreed to be mine, she stopped working, turned her into a housewife. Had some problems/fights in the beginning coz "nakakulong" lng sya sa bahay for months. Which is understandable coz she had to go cold turkey on her vices (alcohol, smoking, partying, friends), so there was some physical, emotional, psychological changes that she had to go through.

 

We don't give money to her family as well, although she does give some gifts to her younger siblings (stuff for school like bags, shoes, notebooks, and the like). Those things are fine.

 

I told her that it's not her obligation to support her family who wasted all her money when she worked as a GRO. That I am her family, and every money we have is for our future and our future children. No, we don't have children yet, I told her I don't plan on getting her pregnant until she turns 30. I want her to enjoy her youth, and I'm enjoying her youth as well

 

It's been 6 years and counting. Is this forever? I'm not a f#cking seer...nobody knows the f#cking future...What we do know is that 50% of all marriages fail, regardless of the woman's background.

 

My advice to other men in this situation, be a f#cking man! Take care of your lady, get her the f#ck away from her old life. If you can't afford to take care of your woman, don't even bother...be f#cking smart enough to know you are incapable of taking care of her, and save yourselves both the time and money. Love is merely a chemical reaction. Reality is what you have to deal with.

[tressaiyo]

mahirap ma-inlove sa ganyan

[Edmund Dantes]

My advice to other men in this situation, be a f#cking man! Take care of your lady, get her the f#ck away from her old life. If you can't afford to take care of your woman, don't even bother...be f#cking smart enough to know you are incapable of taking care of her, and save yourselves both the time and money. Love is merely a chemical reaction. Reality is what you have to deal with.

 

Congrats parekoy kung nagkaroon ka ng happy ending. Pero sana huwag ka maiinsulto sa sasabihin ko. Ito ay opinion ko lang naman.

 

Hindi ako agree na lalake ang dapat magalis sa isang babae sa ganitong kalakaran. Kung nilagay ng isang babae sarili nya dyan, sya ang may obligasyon na ialis sarili nya dyan. Bakit kelangan ibang lalake gumawa nito para sa kanya? Tsaka ano yun? hindi ba para na ring pinagbibili ng babae pagibig at katapatan nya? Buhay nya yan, kaya sa huli responsibilidad nya pa din yan.

 

Kaya nga ako, hanga sa mga babaeng nagawang ialis sarili nila sa kalakaran na yan, kahit hindi sila umasa sa mga pwedeng maging "prince charming" nila. Nagipon, nagaral, nagtayo ng maliit na negosyo, o kaya lumipat sa isang hanap buhay na kahit mas maliit ang kita, pwede nya naman tignan ang sarili nya ng mas may pride. Dito mo makikita kung sino yung babaeng handa magbayad ng kahit na ano para mabuhay ng marangal.

 

Lagi kong sinasabi sa mga parekoy dito, never shortchange yourself when it comes to relationship. Ikaw na din nagsabi, its reality you have to deal with. And reality is, hindi mo obligasyon bilang lalake na ialis sila sa kinalalagyan nila. Kung talagang desidido sila ipakita na deserving sila sa respeto at pagmamahal na kaya mo ibigay, eh di sila magalis ng sarili nila dyan. Kung hindi nila kaya gawin yun, eh di maghanap na lang ng iba na hindi ka bibigyan ng ganyang klaseng problema.

[Rearden]

Congrats parekoy kung nagkaroon ka ng happy ending. Pero sana huwag ka maiinsulto sa sasabihin ko. Ito ay opinion ko lang naman.

 

No offense taken. And I hope you don't take offense either, prangkahan na usapan lang bro.

 

Hindi ako agree na lalake ang dapat magalis sa isang babae sa ganitong kalakaran. Kung nilagay ng isang babae sarili nya dyan, sya ang may obligasyon na ialis sarili nya dyan.

You are presuming that the girl put herself in that situation willingly or flippantly...where's your empathy?...some women are even forced into that life by their family. Have a heart.

 

If it's a choice between hard labor with little money, or easy work with big payoff, the smartest choice is the latter. And that is the same anywhere, like say in retail, if you had to chose between selling 1 product to have a P1M profit or sell 1 million of a certain product to earn P1M profit, what would you chose? (in this analogy, you are able to sell either)

 

Only idiots will choose the former, that's the very definition of idiocy. And f#ck everyone who thinks that you need to suffer to have a better life. That's what smart people tell the dumb people to keep the dumb people working hard and thinking that things will get better for them, while the smart ones take advantage.

 

 

Bakit kelangan ibang lalake gumawa nito para sa kanya?

I'm not implying that the guy has to take the girl out of poverty. She can do whatever the f#ck she wants. And if that is going with a man who promised to give her a better life, who are we to tell her she can't? Do you know what the word LIBERTY means? and why it is considered as "self-evident, inalienable right"?

 

Tsaka ano yun? hindi ba para na ring pinagbibili ng babae pagibig at katapatan nya? Buhay nya yan, kaya sa huli responsibilidad nya pa din yan.

 

"Pinagbili?" You mean like Michael Jordan selling his athletic abilities (and technically his body) to the Chicago Bulls franchise? or Anne Curtis selling her beauty and charms and body (as an endorser) to any company that can pay her talent fee? or a white/blue collar worker who sells her time, mind and body to a company for a salary?

 

Tama ka, buhay nya yan, and like Michael Jordan, Anne Curtis, and ordinary workers, it's her responsibility...who are we to say that there is something wrong with "pinagbili and pag-ibig at katapatan"?

News flash: Everything is for sale, that is how life works. That is part of the natural order of things. Don't think of it in the very shallow manner of just the exchange of money...money is merely the medium used in our money-based economy to measure value. Michael Jordan had his value, which the Chicago Bulls paid for in money. So does Anne Curtis, and every other working individual.

 

 

Your parents' loved you, and they paid for it, with their time, mind, and body. Did you ask them bakit nila pinagbili sarili nila para lng syo?

 

 

Kaya nga ako, hanga sa mga babaeng nagawang ialis sarili nila sa kalakaran na yan, kahit hindi sila umasa sa mga pwedeng maging "prince charming" nila.

 

Mas hangga ako sa mga babae na hindi nagpakatangga, na meron ng lalaki na mahal sila and kaya sila iahon sa hirap, at pinili nila kahit na malayo ang diperensya ng estado nila sa buhay, kahit matahin pa sila ng mga inggitero/inggitera. In the end, she wins!

 

And what makes you think that women can't be in love with rich men? You do know that the basic premise of male and female relationship, is that the men flaunt their strengths while the women choose, and for humans in a capitalistic society, the measure of a man's strength is his wealth (i.e. money). For weaver birds, it's the male with the best looking nest. For the peacocks, it's the one with the biggest tail. For gorillas, it's the one who is physically strongest.

 

And it's f#cking sad, for some women, to choose to remain poor for some idiotic sense of "pride and honor" It's not pride to work yourself to death, when you could have chosen a different path and given yourself a better life, that's EGOTISM mistaken as pride. There is no honor in bearing a dozen children that you can't feed or send to school.

 

And it's so stupid when some women chose men because mabait or gwapo or may sense of humor yung lalaki, pero loser naman, walang pera and trabaho, 30 years old na palamunin pa rin ng magulang. I had an aunt, who when she was young, had a lot of rich and successful businessmen (friends of my father) interested in her, but instead she chose someone who was younger than her, no job, no money, a druggie, coz she makes her "happy"? made her laugh? now about 15-20years later, the guy she married still has no job, they have 2 children (the eldest is starting college), she just finished chemotherapy for breast cancer? and guess what, they didn't have money to treat her cancer and had to rely on her brothers and sisters.

 

 

Nagipon, nagaral, nagtayo ng maliit na negosyo, o kaya lumipat sa isang hanap buhay na kahit mas maliit ang kita, pwede nya naman tignan ang sarili nya ng mas may pride. Dito mo makikita kung sino yung babaeng handa magbayad ng kahit na ano para mabuhay ng marangal.

 

Do you know what Anecdotal evidence is, and why it's considered a logical flaw? because these kinds of stories are considered flukes, and no rational human being should be making life decisions based on a fluke, that's just stupid.

 

Parang yung mga pyramid scheme, they use anecdotal evidence. Let's say Jose is one of the first to join the pyramid scheme, and everyone who joined the scheme keeps on selling the story that Jose was now a millionaire because of the scheme, sure that is true! but what they don't tell you is that everyone who joined after Jose, never made any significant profit at all, and most of them lost their investments...

 

So, as amazing as it is for some girls to be able to make it out of poverty without marrying some rich guy, for every one of those girls, there are hundreds who never make it out of poverty, and waste away their lives in the slum, and breed like rats, and have their daughters end up in the same situation. It's so sad and pathetic.

 

Am I saying that all these girls should look for rich husbands, f#ck no! they can do whatever the hell they want, it's their life. What I am saying is, if they do choose to marry some rich guy to get out of poverty, it is totally OK, if not the smartest thing they could have done for themselves.

 

 

 

 

Lagi kong sinasabi sa mga parekoy dito, never shortchange yourself when it comes to relationship. Ikaw na din nagsabi, its reality you have to deal with. And reality is, hindi mo obligasyon bilang lalake na ialis sila sa kinalalagyan nila. Kung talagang desidido sila ipakita na deserving sila sa respeto at pagmamahal na kaya mo ibigay, eh di sila magalis ng sarili nila dyan. Kung hindi nila kaya gawin yun, eh di maghanap na lang ng iba na hindi ka bibigyan ng ganyang klaseng problema.

 

And my point is, if you are gonna do something like make a GRO and PSP your woman, don't be an idiot and think that all you need is "love"...that's bullshit! What you need is money, whether she is a GRO, PSP, college educated professional, it will f#cking cost you, like everything else in life! and if inasawa mo nga, syempre ibabahay mo, syempre aanakan mo, syempre pag-aaralin mo yung mga bata....and so on and so forth...so bottom line pera parin kailangan mo...hindi nakakabusog ang pag-ibig, hindi rin pwede pambayd ng rent or tuition. We live in a capitalistic society and not communist North Korea.

[Edmund Dantes]

No offense taken. And I hope you don't take offense either, prangkahan na usapan lang bro.

 

 

You are presuming that the girl put herself in that situation willingly or flippantly...where's your empathy?...some women are even forced into that life by their family. Have a heart.

 

If it's a choice between hard labor with little money, or easy work with big payoff, the smartest choice is the latter. And that is the same anywhere, like say in retail, if you had to chose between selling 1 product to have a P1M profit or sell 1 million of a certain product to earn P1M profit, what would you chose? (in this analogy, you are able to sell either)

 

Only idiots will choose the former, that's the very definition of idiocy. And f#ck everyone who thinks that you need to suffer to have a better life. That's what smart people tell the dumb people to keep the dumb people working hard and thinking that things will get better for them, while the smart ones take advantage.

 

I'm not implying that the guy has to take the girl out of poverty. She can do whatever the f#ck she wants. And if that is going with a man who promised to give her a better life, who are we to tell her she can't? Do you know what the word LIBERTY means? and why it is considered as "self-evident, inalienable right"?

 

 

 

"Pinagbili?" You mean like Michael Jordan selling his athletic abilities (and technically his body) to the Chicago Bulls franchise? or Anne Curtis selling her beauty and charms and body (as an endorser) to any company that can pay her talent fee? or a white/blue collar worker who sells her time, mind and body to a company for a salary?

 

Tama ka, buhay nya yan, and like Michael Jordan, Anne Curtis, and ordinary workers, it's her responsibility...who are we to say that there is something wrong with "pinagbili and pag-ibig at katapatan"?

News flash: Everything is for sale, that is how life works. That is part of the natural order of things. Don't think of it in the very shallow manner of just the exchange of money...money is merely the medium used in our money-based economy to measure value. Michael Jordan had his value, which the Chicago Bulls paid for in money. So does Anne Curtis, and every other working individual.

 

 

Your parents' loved you, and they paid for it, with their time, mind, and body. Did you ask them bakit nila pinagbili sarili nila para lng syo?

 

 

 

 

Mas hangga ako sa mga babae na hindi nagpakatangga, na meron ng lalaki na mahal sila and kaya sila iahon sa hirap, at pinili nila kahit na malayo ang diperensya ng estado nila sa buhay, kahit matahin pa sila ng mga inggitero/inggitera. In the end, she wins!

 

And what makes you think that women can't be in love with rich men? You do know that the basic premise of male and female relationship, is that the men flaunt their strengths while the women choose, and for humans in a capitalistic society, the measure of a man's strength is his wealth (i.e. money). For weaver birds, it's the male with the best looking nest. For the peacocks, it's the one with the biggest tail. For gorillas, it's the one who is physically strongest.

 

And it's f#cking sad, for some women, to choose to remain poor for some idiotic sense of "pride and honor" It's not pride to work yourself to death, when you could have chosen a different path and given yourself a better life, that's EGOTISM mistaken as pride. There is no honor in bearing a dozen children that you can't feed or send to school.

 

And it's so stupid when some women chose men because mabait or gwapo or may sense of humor yung lalaki, pero loser naman, walang pera and trabaho, 30 years old na palamunin pa rin ng magulang. I had an aunt, who when she was young, had a lot of rich and successful businessmen (friends of my father) interested in her, but instead she chose someone who was younger than her, no job, no money, a druggie, coz she makes her "happy"? made her laugh? now about 15-20years later, the guy she married still has no job, they have 2 children (the eldest is starting college), she just finished chemotherapy for breast cancer? and guess what, they didn't have money to treat her cancer and had to rely on her brothers and sisters.

 

 

 

 

Do you know what Anecdotal evidence is, and why it's considered a logical flaw? because these kinds of stories are considered flukes, and no rational human being should be making life decisions based on a fluke, that's just stupid.

 

Parang yung mga pyramid scheme, they use anecdotal evidence. Let's say Jose is one of the first to join the pyramid scheme, and everyone who joined the scheme keeps on selling the story that Jose was now a millionaire because of the scheme, sure that is true! but what they don't tell you is that everyone who joined after Jose, never made any significant profit at all, and most of them lost their investments...

 

So, as amazing as it is for some girls to be able to make it out of poverty without marrying some rich guy, for every one of those girls, there are hundreds who never make it out of poverty, and waste away their lives in the slum, and breed like rats, and have their daughters end up in the same situation. It's so sad and pathetic.

 

Am I saying that all these girls should look for rich husbands, f#ck no! they can do whatever the hell they want, it's their life. What I am saying is, if they do choose to marry some rich guy to get out of poverty, it is totally OK, if not the smartest thing they could have done for themselves.

 

And my point is, if you are gonna do something like make a GRO and PSP your woman, don't be an idiot and think that all you need is "love"...that's bullshit! What you need is money, whether she is a GRO, PSP, college educated professional, it will f#cking cost you, like everything else in life! and if inasawa mo nga, syempre ibabahay mo, syempre aanakan mo, syempre pag-aaralin mo yung mga bata....and so on and so forth...so bottom line pera parin kailangan mo...hindi nakakabusog ang pag-ibig, hindi rin pwede pambayd ng rent or tuition. We live in a capitalistic society and not communist North Korea.

 

Ok thank you for not taking offense, and if I may be frank myself, Id like to start by saying medyo ginawa mong sobrang komplikado yung sagot mo. Its the equivalent of addressing a simple multiplication problem with integral caculus when the most important point that was raised was very simple. Even your analogies I feel are inappropriate. But nontheless, Ill try to address as much as I can. Sana di masyado mapahaba lang

 

1. The most important (but simple) point I was raising, is that we are all responsible for bettering our lives. Huwag mo naman ako masyadong gawing kontrabida parekoy, na parang wala akong puso. Hindi ko naman hinuhusgahan mga babae na nandito sa ganitong kalakaran. Ang sinasabi ko lang, sila ang may responsibilidad sa mga pinili nilang gawin sa kanilang buhay, at kung papabutihin nila ito, nasa sa kanila din yun at wala sa mga prince charming na nakasakay sa puting kabayo na pwede dumating. Yes I know, sometimes life itself makes it difficult for us to make righteous choices, but whatever our motivations for making those choices, we cant make excuses in the end. Sabi nga ni Abe Lincoln, even the most valid reason cant be used as an excuse. It is what it is. Now sige na, mahirap ang buhay kelangan kumayod ng konti at kumita ng sapat. Pero kung tatagal sila sa ganyang trabaho hangang malaos sila, hindi nila naman pwede ikatwiran na "eh kasi walang nagahon sakin eh". Kalokohan yun obligasyon mo na tulungan sarili mo kahit walang prince charming na dumating.

 

2. Liberty works both ways, kung piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi, huwag naman natin silang tawaging tanga. Respetuhin na lang natin di ba? Kesa naman pilitin sila sa isang kalakaran na di naman nila kaya sikmurain. That is not idiocy, that is simply showing character, dignity, or self-love even. Not saying that those in the trade dont have any. Its just me simply saying thats something we all should learn to respect, as much as you dont want other people disrespecting women who are in the trade.

 

3. Yes everything in life has a price. But that does not mean the price always has to be monetary. My ex-gangster friend tells me how his life is so much different now that he has left the Japanese Mafia. Mas konti na lang kinikita nya. Hindi na sya nakakapunta sa mga mamahaling club sa tokyo, hindi na din sya nakakakuha ng mga high class na chicks. Mas simple na lang ang buhay nya ngayon sa country side. PERO he is more at peace with himself now. He no longer has to live his life looking over his shoulder, he no longer has to come into terms with being societies outcast. He says, that kind of peace is something all the money that he earned when he was still in the trade could never buy him. That feeling of looking in the mirror and liking the person you see. And he did succeed naman eventually making honest money. In fact now he sometimes help support groups for people with substance abuse problems. Goes to prove that it does not always need to be a tradeoff between a dignifying work and a well-paying one. Kung maabilidad ka naman na tao walang impossible. But if you are a person who likes making excuses then then its always convenient for you to say that "anecdotal stories" represent the exemption rather than the rule, when they are the exemption breaking rules. Labo ba? hehehe

 

But this is not me saying money is not important just to be clear. In fact, I have said in the other threads that the one element that is sure to attract women is money. Because money can represent a lot of things. That you are not a dead beat. That you can take care of your woman, that you have work at least at di ka lang tambay. Money can also buy things to make you more physically attractive. But all that is besides the point. When we talk about lasting relationships, you will need something more than money. I am sure that you want your lady to be in your life not just because of the money. You do want her kahit papano to geniunely care about you. Right? Kasi kung huhuthutan ka lang ng babae ng pera, hindi ka din magiging masaya sa huli.

 

In short balance ang kelangan which brings me to my next point

 

4. Sabi ko nga, never shortchange yourself pagdating sa mga lasting partnership. Hindi issue dito ang obligasyon ng lalake na buhayin ang babae at bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan. Ang pinaguusapan dito ang ang pagiging wise sa mga risk na kelangan natin pasukin. May dahilan kung bakit nasa huli lagi ang pagsisi. Mahirap masaktan sa huli parekoy. That way you have less reason to be insecure. I know, a womans love has a price, but its a matter of what will she ask from you to earn it. Kung pera lang habol nya sayo, hindi rin magiging masaya relasyon nyo. Kahit gaano pa sya magtagal sayo. There just wont be sincerity in there. And why shortchange yourself with that di ba?

 

 

I wanna close this, by saying na nilalawakan ko pangunawa ko para sayo parekoy. Alam ko kung bakit sa sagot mo palang, napaka passionate mo sa issue. Kasi nga, pinasok mo itong bagay na ito, kaya impossible na hingiin ko sayo na idetach mo sarili mo sa issue para objectively mapagusapan natin ito. Syempre inaasahan ko na lahat ng magiging sagot mo ay biased, at magiging validation sa lahat ng mga desisyon na ginawa mo sa bagay na ito na pinasok mo. Truthfully, and no pun intended, I wish you the best of luck at sana may happy ending na kahantungan ito. But to be honest, I am with the rest of the guys who say "whats worth doing this?"

[Rearden]

Ok thank you for not taking offense, and if I may be frank myself, Id like to start by saying medyo ginawa mong sobrang komplikado yung sagot mo. Its the equivalent of addressing a simple multiplication problem with integral caculus when the most important point that was raised was very simple. Even your analogies I feel are inappropriate. But nontheless, Ill try to address as much as I can. Sana di masyado mapahaba lang

 

it's not complicated, it's called thorough. why make it simple and open to interpretation that is not your point to begin with, right? that is how misunderstandings are created. even now, you try to make things "simple" when it is not.

 

1. The most important (but simple) point I was raising, is that we are all responsible for bettering our lives. Huwag mo naman ako masyadong gawing kontrabida parekoy, na parang wala akong puso. Hindi ko naman hinuhusgahan mga babae na nandito sa ganitong kalakaran. Ang sinasabi ko lang, sila ang may responsibilidad sa mga pinili nilang gawin sa kanilang buhay, at kung papabutihin nila ito, nasa sa kanila din yun at wala sa mga prince charming na nakasakay sa puting kabayo na pwede dumating. Yes I know, sometimes life itself makes it difficult for us to make righteous choices, but whatever our motivations for making those choices, we cant make excuses in the end. Sabi nga ni Abe Lincoln, even the most valid reason cant be used as an excuse. It is what it is. Now sige na, mahirap ang buhay kelangan kumayod ng konti at kumita ng sapat. Pero kung tatagal sila sa ganyang trabaho hangang malaos sila, hindi nila naman pwede ikatwiran na "eh kasi walang nagahon sakin eh". Kalokohan yun obligasyon mo na tulungan sarili mo kahit walang prince charming na dumating.

 

the point I was making is, "bettering our (their) lives" is not limited to your ideal of working hard, studying, opening up a business, etc. "Bettering (our) their lives" can also mean marrying rich and being a dutiful wife (or to put it in another way, "marrying wisely")

 

but of course, marrying rich is not a card everyone of this girl is dealt. what I'm saying is, if that card is dealt, and the girls turns it down for something less, that is idiotic.

 

It was never my position that these girl should wait forever for a so-called "prince charming"

 

2. Liberty works both ways, kung piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi, huwag naman natin silang tawaging tanga. Respetuhin na lang natin di ba? Kesa naman pilitin sila sa isang kalakaran na di naman nila kaya sikmurain. That is not idiocy, that is simply showing character, dignity, or self-love even. Not saying that those in the trade dont have any. Its just me simply saying thats something we all should learn to respect, as much as you dont want other people disrespecting women who are in the trade.

 

No, liberty works one way, it means only one thing.

 

Sorry, but that is a strawman argument. The choice is not as you say:

"piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi"

 

The choices are:

1.) to marry rich

2.) to work hard (laboriously) to get rich

 

So this strawman argument you are making is also a red herring. I won't follow you to that new, unrelated argument.

 

3. Yes everything in life has a price. But that does not mean the price always has to be monetary. My ex-gangster friend tells me how his life is so much different now that he has left the Japanese Mafia. Mas konti na lang kinikita nya. Hindi na sya nakakapunta sa mga mamahaling club sa tokyo, hindi na din sya nakakakuha ng mga high class na chicks. Mas simple na lang ang buhay nya ngayon sa country side. PERO he is more at peace with himself now. He no longer has to live his life looking over his shoulder, he no longer has to come into terms with being societies outcast. He says, that kind of peace is something all the money that he earned when he was still in the trade could never buy him. That feeling of looking in the mirror and liking the person you see. And he did succeed naman eventually making honest money. In fact now he sometimes help support groups for people with substance abuse problems. Goes to prove that it does not always need to be a tradeoff between a dignifying work and a well-paying one. Kung maabilidad ka naman na tao walang impossible. But if you are a person who likes making excuses then then its always convenient for you to say that "anecdotal stories" represent the exemption rather than the rule, when they are the exemption breaking rules. Labo ba? hehehe

 

Yes malabo.

 

Again, you can say that anecdotal stories are exemptions breaking rules, but that still does not change the rule...that exemption is disregarded. It's a fluke.

 

Don't get me wrong, that was an amazing and inspiring story, but it is irrelevant in terms of the "rule"

 

Let's put it in terms of numbers:

 

Your anecdote is the very special exemption out of say 1,000. So that is 1 vs 999. The rule is not based on the 1, it is based on the 999.

 

Do you now understand why anecdotal evidences are considered LOGICAL FLAWS?

 

Amazing? inspiring? Definitely yes, but only because it is rare and unique. But the rule is not based on the rare and unique, it is based on the very common, very ordinary.

 

 

But this is not me saying money is not important just to be clear. In fact, I have said in the other threads that the one element that is sure to attract women is money. Because money can represent a lot of things. That you are not a dead beat. That you can take care of your woman, that you have work at least at di ka lang tambay. Money can also buy things to make you more physically attractive. But all that is besides the point. When we talk about lasting relationships, you will need something more than money. I am sure that you want your lady to be in your life not just because of the money. You do want her kahit papano to geniunely care about you. Right? Kasi kung huhuthutan ka lang ng babae ng pera, hindi ka din magiging masaya sa huli.

 

In short balance ang kelangan which brings me to my next point

 

Yes, money cannot be the only factor that a woman chooses her partner, but it is the most important factor, everything else can come second.

 

Again, let me reiterate, money is a MEDIUM. The medium our capitalist society uses to represent VALUE. So if a woman choses a rich man, she is subconsciouly chosing that man's value, which could means his physical strength, intelligence, etc.

 

 

4. Sabi ko nga, never shortchange yourself pagdating sa mga lasting partnership. Hindi issue dito ang obligasyon ng lalake na buhayin ang babae at bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan. Ang pinaguusapan dito ang ang pagiging wise sa mga risk na kelangan natin pasukin. May dahilan kung bakit nasa huli lagi ang pagsisi. Mahirap masaktan sa huli parekoy. That way you have less reason to be insecure. I know, a womans love has a price, but its a matter of what will she ask from you to earn it. Kung pera lang habol nya sayo, hindi rin magiging masaya relasyon nyo. Kahit gaano pa sya magtagal sayo. There just wont be sincerity in there. And why shortchange yourself with that di ba?

 

Correct, they should be smart. Know the importance of money, and not based your decision on lust ("love") alone.

 

Too often, you read here men saying: "na-in love sila." So the f#ck what?

 

I fall in love with almost every 18 year old tight bodied piece of ass with a pretty face that I see everyday. It just means that the hormones in my body are reacting to the opposite sex. It's so banal.

 

 

I wanna close this, by saying na nilalawakan ko pangunawa ko para sayo parekoy. Alam ko kung bakit sa sagot mo palang, napaka passionate mo sa issue. Kasi nga, pinasok mo itong bagay na ito, kaya impossible na hingiin ko sayo na idetach mo sarili mo sa issue para objectively mapagusapan natin ito. Syempre inaasahan ko na lahat ng magiging sagot mo ay biased, at magiging validation sa lahat ng mga desisyon na ginawa mo sa bagay na ito na pinasok mo. Truthfully, and no pun intended, I wish you the best of luck at sana may happy ending na kahantungan ito. But to be honest, I am with the rest of the guys who say "whats worth doing this?"

 

I'm not being passionate about this because I'm in this relationship. I thought you read my original post. I'm not even promoting the idea of taking care of these women.

 

The point I have been making is this, if you don't have any f#cking money, don't even bother trying to take this type of girl for yourself. Simple isn't it?

 

BTW, I think you mean "Is it worth doing this?" And what I say to that is, it's worth $(x) amount of money.

[MaxHardcore]

I did once in my lifetime and I hope not to do it again. I was a roller coaster ride of emotions and It was very hard. Mahabang istorya tulad nung na-una

[Edmund Dantes]

it's not complicated, it's called thorough. why make it simple and open to interpretation that is not your point to begin with, right? that is how misunderstandings are created. even now, you try to make things "simple" when it is not.

 

Now you are simply just using semantics

 

Misunderstandings are more often created by overanalyzing something thats meant to be so simple. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. I don't even understand why such thorough explanation and non sequitur arguments are necessary to validate something thats really supposed to be simple. Obligasyon ng tao ikakaganda ng buhay nya.

 

 

the point I was making is, "bettering our (their) lives" is not limited to your ideal of working hard, studying, opening up a business, etc. "Bettering (our) their lives" can also mean marrying rich and being a dutiful wife (or to put it in another way, "marrying wisely")

 

but of course, marrying rich is not a card everyone of this girl is dealt. what I'm saying is, if that card is dealt, and the girls turns it down for something less, that is idiotic.

 

It was never my position that these girl should wait forever for a so-called "prince charming"

 

 

So, if a girl chooses what to you is a more difficult way she is an idiot. Pero sa isang banda naman kung piliin nung babae yung tingin mong mas practical na paraan, huwag dapat husgahan at gamitin naman natin ang puso. Looks to me like you are the one making all the judgements and they are self-serving too.

 

No, liberty works one way, it means only one thing.

 

Sorry, but that is a strawman argument. The choice is not as you say:

"piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi"

 

The choices are:

1.) to marry rich

2.) to work hard (laboriously) to get rich

 

So this strawman argument you are making is also a red herring. I won't follow you to that new, unrelated argument.

 

If liberty only works one way, then its not liberty at all. Lets not make this too complicated. Bottomline is you are always given a choice. Even when a gun is being pressed against your temple. You can either get shot, or do what the man with the gun says. You are responsible for the choices that you make regardless what circumstances made it easy or difficult for you to make that decision. Those who choose to good old fashioned hard work are not idiots. That is not fair. It only means they got character. Something everyone can use.

 

 

 

Yes malabo.

 

Again, you can say that anecdotal stories are exemptions breaking rules, but that still does not change the rule...that exemption is disregarded. It's a fluke.

 

Don't get me wrong, that was an amazing and inspiring story, but it is irrelevant in terms of the "rule"

 

Let's put it in terms of numbers:

 

Your anecdote is the very special exemption out of say 1,000. So that is 1 vs 999. The rule is not based on the 1, it is based on the 999.

 

Do you now understand why anecdotal evidences are considered LOGICAL FLAWS?

 

Amazing? inspiring? Definitely yes, but only because it is rare and unique. But the rule is not based on the rare and unique, it is based on the very common, very ordinary.

 

Actually this whole argument itself is logically flawed. This is simply ad populum, or ad majoram. So whats your point? because its too "unique" and "rare" it cant be done by anyone? Or its not really that worth choosing? Like if there is 1 out of 1000 girls in the trade who manage to succeed out of good old fashioned hard work, determination and character, the other 999 cant do the same thing? Again everything simply comes down to choice. You can give me a long reply enumerating reasons why its too difficult, or not practical but all of them will just be excuses.

 

But that was not even the point I am making. More than ad populum or ad majoram, this is also a strawman argument. The point I was trying to make is that there are people who find peace contentment fulfillment and happiness even though they chose to better their lives to what you seem to percieve as something impractical or even idiotic. Money will not always be able to buy all of those.

 

Yes, money cannot be the only factor that a woman chooses her partner, but it is the most important factor, everything else can come second.

 

Again, let me reiterate, money is a MEDIUM. The medium our capitalist society uses to represent VALUE. So if a woman choses a rich man, she is subconsciouly chosing that man's value, which could means his physical strength, intelligence, etc.

 

Again there is no need to keep reiterating. Stop going after a mosquito with more cannon balls.

 

Money or what it represents is attractive. But to have a fulfilling relationship you intend to keep, you will need something more than that. End of discussion. Huwag na pahabain pa kasi.

 

 

Correct, they should be smart. Know the importance of money, and not based your decision on lust ("love") alone.

 

Too often, you read here men saying: "na-in love sila." So the f#ck what?

 

I fall in love with almost every 18 year old tight bodied piece of ass with a pretty face that I see everyday. It just means that the hormones in my body are reacting to the opposite sex. It's so banal.

 

Can we not keep arguing on this point only because I did not intend to go down this road in the first place. You can backread on my other posts saying that pagdating sa mga ganitong klaseng babae, huwag puros puso ang pakikingan. Gamitin din ang utak.

 

Ang putno lang naman dito, do not short change yourself. Kung pwede ka naman maghanap ng babae na mas madali makakabuild ng tiwala dahil alam mong hindi lang naman basta pera lang habol sayo, eh di dun ka na at umiwas na sa sakit ng ulo.

 

 

I'm not being passionate about this because I'm in this relationship. I thought you read my original post. I'm not even promoting the idea of taking care of these women.

 

The point I have been making is this, if you don't have any f#cking money, don't even bother trying to take this type of girl for yourself. Simple isn't it?

 

BTW, I think you mean "Is it worth doing this?" And what I say to that is, it's worth $(x) amount of money.

 

Well you are being passionate. Not promoting the idea to anyone is another issue. You are promoting this to people who share your sentiments and to yourself most of all. I am not really blaming you. We all try to fight for our validation.

 

Again we are only arguing about semantics here. If you had that much money and you can afford to change someones life and buy someones heart, whats worth going for someone in the trade? Ano ba mahahanap mo sa kanila na di mo mahahanap sa ibang babae? Why take the risk that she might only be after your pockets? Remember its not just really money you have to give her, because we are talking about serious lasting relationships here. Kung sex lang, eh di matagal na dapat tapos itong usapan na ito