South China/West Philippine Sea

[lomex32]

How about other physical structures ? Like a lighthouse etc..

 

It takes a lot of money to put up oil rigs. Money that the Philippines may not have.

[sonnyt111]

 

This provocative action by China will surely heighten the already tense situation in the China/West Philippine Sea. Vietnam has acted admirably and bravely in confronting Chinese aggression but this may push the Vietnamese past the breaking point. What happens if Vietnam goes into a full blown shooting war with China and asks the Philippines for assistance and we do nothing to help Vietnam? We will be perceived as a nation long on talk and short on action.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/china-says-moving-2nd-oil-rig-closer-vietnam-095447651--finance.html

 

China says moving 2nd oil rig closer to Vietnam

http://l.yimg.com/os/152/2012/04/21/image001-png_162613.png By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN 1 hour ago

 

 

BEIJING (AP) — China said Thursday it is moving a second oil rig closer to Vietnam's coast, showing its determination to press its territorial claims and continue searching for resources in disputed waters despite a tense confrontation with Vietnam over another oil rig to the south.

 

The 600-meter (1,970-foot) -long rig is being towed southeast of its current position south of Hainan Island and will be in its new location closer to Vietnam by Friday, the Maritime Safety Administration said on its website. It asked vessels in the area to give it a wide berth.

 

Vietnam's government isn't expected to react strongly to the placement of the second rig because it lies far to the north of the politically sensitive waters surrounding the Paracel Islands, where ships from the two countries have been ramming each other for more than 40 days near the first oil rig.

 

A Vietnamese Foreign Ministry official who spoke on normal condition of anonymity said Hanoi believes that no country should take unilateral action in contested waters, but that China has explored the area previously without causing a crisis in relations.

 

Vietnamese authorities broke up a small protest against the Chinese move on Thursday. About a dozen people gathered at a park in central Hanoi and chanted slogans such as "Down with Chinese aggression" for several minutes before being dispersed. At least two protesters were taken away.

 

The shifting of the rig came as officials from both sides said they made no progress in talks Wednesday over the deployment of the other Chinese rig on May 1 that sparked the current standoff. Each country claims the Paracels as its territory and accuses the other of instigating the ship rammings around the rig.

 

The first rig's deployment triggered anti-China demonstrations across Vietnam that led to attacks on hundreds of factories believed to employ Chinese workers, five of whom were killed and hundreds more injured. Many of the factories were built and run by investors from Taiwan, which has nothing to do with the current dispute.

 

China's military expelled Vietnamese troops from two of the islands in the group in 1974, and in 1988 used force to kick Vietnam out of Johnson South reef in the Spratly Islands to the east.

 

The border between China and Vietnam in the area of the second rig near the mouth of the Tonkin Gulf has never been properly demarcated, despite five rounds of talks on the matter.

 

China claims virtually all of the South China Sea, which is rich in natural resources and crisscrossed by some of the world's busiest sea lanes. That has brought it into dispute with other neighbors, including the Philippines, a U.S. ally.

 

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Associated Press writer Tran Van Minh in Hanoi, Vietnam, contributed to this report.

 

 

 

[kisshmet]

^you really dont expect us to shoot at the chinese in the event that china decides to hit vietnam

Edited June 19, 2014 by kisshmet

[maxiev]

I have nothing but the highest admiration for the Vietnamese people as they slug it out with vastly superior Chinese military.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-24/vietnam-vows-stand-against-china-as-sea-collisions-continue.html?cmpid=yhoo

 

Vietnam Vows Stand Against China as Sea Collisions Continue

 

By John Boudreau and Nguyen Dieu Tu Uyen Jun 24, 2014

2:55 PM GMT+0800

 

Vietnam accused Chinese ships of ramming one of its fishing boats yesterday, saying relations between the two countries have been “deeply damaged” by the their standoff over a disputed oil rig in the South China Sea.

 

Vietnam’s sovereignty and security as well as regional peace are “threatened” by China’s decision to place an oil rig off Vietnam’s coast on May 2, National Assembly Chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung told legislators in Hanoi. The friction at sea, which has led to collisions, the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing boat on May 26 and anti-China riots in Vietnam, is hurting ties between the two communist countries, Hung said in his address.

 

A high-level meeting between Vietnamese leaders and China’s top foreign policy official on June 18 failed to ease the daily sea skirmishes near the oil rig. The dispute is fraying ties between the communist countries and adding to regional tensions even as leaders from both sides promised to manage disagreements ‘‘using peaceful measures.’’

 

The sea strife poses the most serious foreign policy crisis for Vietnam’s leaders in decades, said Ha Hoang Hop, visiting senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore.

 

“Vietnam’s politburo is torn about their policy on Vietnam’s relationship with China,” he said in a phone interview. “The fear is China won’t compromise. The last chance for sitting down and trying to resolve the dispute in the South China Sea is this summer. Otherwise, Vietnam will bring the case to an international tribunal.”

 

‘Bitter Fruit’

 

Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign policy official, said in Beijing on June 21 that his country “will never trade our core interests or swallow the bitter fruits that undermine our sovereignty, security and development interests.” China says Vietnam has sent armed vessels to disrupt its oil operation.

 

China claims about 90 percent of the South China Sea under a 1940s-era map, including the Paracel Islands off Vietnam’s coast and the Spratly Islands to the south. Vietnam and China on June 18 held their first high-level meeting on the rig issue after Yang visited Hanoi under the auspices of the annual China-Vietnam Steering Committee on Bilateral Relations.

 

In an interview posted on the government website June 21, Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang said his country “always treasures” its relationship with China. He also said Vietnam will “defend our land and sea.”

 

Sang quoted Vietnamese King Le Thanh Tong, “If you dare to concede even a single inch of the land of our ancestors to the enemy, it will be a crime deserving of death.”

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

I have nothing but the highest admiration for the Vietnamese people as they slug it out with vastly superior Chinese military.

 

http://www.bloomberg...html?cmpid=yhoo

 

Vietnam Vows Stand Against China as Sea Collisions Continue

 

By John Boudreau and Nguyen Dieu Tu Uyen Jun 24, 2014

2:55 PM GMT+0800

 

Vietnam accused Chinese ships of ramming one of its fishing boats yesterday, saying relations between the two countries have been "deeply damaged" by the their standoff over a disputed oil rig in the South China Sea.

 

Vietnam's sovereignty and security as well as regional peace are "threatened" by China's decision to place an oil rig off Vietnam's coast on May 2, National Assembly Chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung told legislators in Hanoi. The friction at sea, which has led to collisions, the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing boat on May 26 and anti-China riots in Vietnam, is hurting ties between the two communist countries, Hung said in his address.

 

A high-level meeting between Vietnamese leaders and China's top foreign policy official on June 18 failed to ease the daily sea skirmishes near the oil rig. The dispute is fraying ties between the communist countries and adding to regional tensions even as leaders from both sides promised to manage disagreements ''using peaceful measures.''

 

The sea strife poses the most serious foreign policy crisis for Vietnam's leaders in decades, said Ha Hoang Hop, visiting senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore.

 

"Vietnam's politburo is torn about their policy on Vietnam's relationship with China," he said in a phone interview. "The fear is China won't compromise. The last chance for sitting down and trying to resolve the dispute in the South China Sea is this summer. Otherwise, Vietnam will bring the case to an international tribunal."

 

'Bitter Fruit'

 

Yang Jiechi, China's top foreign policy official, said in Beijing on June 21 that his country "will never trade our core interests or swallow the bitter fruits that undermine our sovereignty, security and development interests." China says Vietnam has sent armed vessels to disrupt its oil operation.

 

China claims about 90 percent of the South China Sea under a 1940s-era map, including the Paracel Islands off Vietnam's coast and the Spratly Islands to the south. Vietnam and China on June 18 held their first high-level meeting on the rig issue after Yang visited Hanoi under the auspices of the annual China-Vietnam Steering Committee on Bilateral Relations.

 

In an interview posted on the government website June 21, Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang said his country "always treasures" its relationship with China. He also said Vietnam will "defend our land and sea."

 

Sang quoted Vietnamese King Le Thanh Tong, "If you dare to concede even a single inch of the land of our ancestors to the enemy, it will be a crime deserving of death."

When it comes to guerilla style tactics, nobody beats the Vietnamese.

[heatseeker0714]

Seems the Japanese Home Defense Force is quite impressive despite the fact that these advanced weapons systems are for defensive use only.

 

The Chinese and the Japanese better start talking about their common problem very soon lest the current hostilities get out of hand and escalate into a full blown war.

 

Indeed them Japs are very impressive... Yan bang mga punyemas na yan sa Communist Party of China eh merong pantapat dito,

 

 

na punong-puno ng doze-dozenang ganito,

 

 

at di lang yan, pag naubos na yang mga yan eh nagtratransform sa ganito,

 

 

Yang mga commie a.holes na yan sa Beijing panis lahat yan sa mga apo ni Yamashita... :P

[vkalbos]

Mga Idol, hindi ba pwedeng "old skul" na si Voltes V muna?

[camiar]

On a more serious note, look at the new Japan Maritime Self Defence Force's (JMSDF) Helicopter-carrying "Destroyer".

 

This photo montage shows the newer and bigger Izumo next to its older smaller sister Hyuga, so you can compare their relative sizes. They may be carry helicopters only for now, but in the future, they can carry F-35s.

 

"Destroyer" pa lang yan, ha. Paano na kung gumawa na sila ng tunay na Aircraft Carrier?

 

Edited June 27, 2014 by camiar

[Julianda]

Nakakangitngit na nakakagalit itong mga hinayupak na mga intsik but we can only utter this article "It's easier said than done".

 

No choice: Destroy China's future PH military bases now

[camiar]

Compare JS Hyuga to USS George Washington. JS Izumo is 35% bigger than Hyuga.

Japan somehow realizes that it cannot rely too much on the US to protect its territorial rights vs China. So it is making a quick adjustment to its military capabilities, especially in protecting its shipping lanes in the South China Sea / West Philippine Sea.

 

Edited June 27, 2014 by camiar

[camiar]

It looks like a hybrid destroyer and helicopter carrier. Perhaps, the Japs can purchase a couple of Apaches and Super Cobras to put in this ship to spook the Chinese.

Not attack helicopters. They can operate MH-60R Seahawks now - better at carrying heavier Anti-ship and Anti-submarine missiles. They're looking at operating tilt-rotor Ospreys in the near future, and Short-Takeoff-and -Vertical-Landing (STOVL) F-35B Joint-Strike Fighters later, depending on how fast they can amend the laws that prevents them from operating offensive weapons. Aircraft Carriers are considered offensive weapons, while helicopter carriers are considered defensive.

 

Anyway, the helicopters on-board these ships are better used at detecting, tracking and targeting enemy ships and submarines. Ship-launched missiles will take care of destroying them.

Edited June 27, 2014 by camiar

[Bugatti Veyron]

Indeed them Japs are very impressive... Yan bang mga punyemas na yan sa Communist Party of China eh merong pantapat dito,

 

 

na punong-puno ng doze-dozenang ganito,

 

 

at di lang yan, pag naubos na yang mga yan eh nagtratransform sa ganito,

 

 

Yang mga commie a.holes na yan sa Beijing panis lahat yan sa mga apo ni Yamashita... :P

He he he :lol:

[Bugatti Veyron]

Nakakangitngit na nakakagalit itong mga hinayupak na mga intsik but we can only utter this article "It's easier said than done".

 

No choice: Destroy China's future PH military bases now

I wonder if a small but highly trained military unit could sabotage these bases instead of using planes. That way, the Chinese won't know who destroyed the bases. They won't know whom to retaliate against.

[Bugatti Veyron]

On a more serious note, look at the new Japan Maritime Self Defence Force's (JMSDF) Helicopter-carrying "Destroyer".

 

This photo montage shows the newer and bigger Izumo next to its older smaller sister Hyuga, so you can compare their relative sizes. They may be carry helicopters only for now, but in the future, they can carry F-35s.

 

"Destroyer" pa lang yan, ha. Paano na kung gumawa na sila ng tunay na Aircraft Carrier?

 

Nice photos. And to think these ships are for self defense only....

[Bugatti Veyron]

Compare JS Hyuga to USS George Washington. JS Izumo is 35% bigger than Hyuga.

Japan somehow realizes that it cannot rely too much on the US to protect its territorial rights vs China. So it is making a quick adjustment to its military capabilities, especially in protecting its shipping lanes in the South China Sea / West Philippine Sea.

 

The Japanese are fortunate they have the resources and technical know-how to build such large war-ships. Being a first-world nation, they remain the largest stumbling block to the plans of the Chinese. Perhaps, we should try harder than ever to enter into a defense treaty with Japan, South Korea and Vietnam. We will need their assistance if the Americans continue to drag their feet regarding the Chinese threat.