South China/West Philippine Sea

[heatseeker0714]

1.) Submarines are effective intelligence gathering tool. It can monitor poachers while submerged & not alarm the crew doing their illegal activity

 

The chinese will avoid shooting at the americans & vice versa, otherwise it will be armageddon. 2.) Additionally, the chinese will have no qualms shooting at us pinoys so we have to have a stout heart to fight back

 

When the shooting starts the best the americans can do is supply us medically, together with some weapons. We shoot the chinese, the americans dont, they will only provide the ammos

 

1.) My point exactly. aside from gathering info then what? can it enforce our laws in our EEZ without great risk to itself and in a cost effective manner? the answer to both is NO.

 

2.) I beg to disagree. Matagal ng pikon satin mga Chicoms, the only thing stopping them from doing a "Vietnamese Fiesta" on us is our MDT with the Americans.

[maxiev]

Naku, dinemote mo naman yung tao Sir... He's a Lt. Gen (3 Stars), not a Maj. Gen (2stars)

 

I basically agree with his position except for the Submarine part. There's minimal chance of a shooting war ever happening between us coz of our MDT. Kahit ano pa man nakalagay jan na "Metropolitan area" or "Pacific Area" ang keyword don is "Public Vessel and Aircraft", sisipa at sisipa yung MDT natin.

 

We have one of the longest coastlines in the world, if i'm not mistaken, the 4th longest overall and the Submarine is primarily an Offensive weapon who loses much of its effectiveness on the surface. Hindi naman araw-araw mag gyera tayo, eh paano kung peace time??? na ang kailangan eh mga aircraft and surface vessels needed to patrol our coastline??? diba?

 

For a cash strapped state like ours, we can use asymetric warfare like the good general is espousing by using a different but cheaper kind of tool other than Submarines... Mines and torpedoes...

 

With a limited budget, we have to be forward looking and practical with our resources, be it manpower, money or materiel... How do you enforce our EEZ and fisheries law by using a sub??? can a sub chase illegal fishing boats without damaging itself???

 

Saka ang point naman dito is not to go toe to toe with China on a 1:1 ratio, our economy can simply not afford it, ang goal dito is to make the world aware of China's bullying and to make them bleed and hold the line till the Americans arrive, because I firmly believe that no matter how tired the American PUBLIC is with regard to "Foreign Adventures", NCA cannot pussyfoot and leave us out to die by Chinese hands because if they let that happen and the world sees them hesitate, it's Sayonara America in Asia for the forseeable future. No Asian government would take their words of reassurance anymore.

He he he. Sorry about inadvertently demoting retired Lt. General Sotelo. Just an oversight on my part.

[maxiev]

The huge military spending of China is due to its economic prosperity. Perhaps the best way to curtail this military build-up is to somehow sabotage the Chinese economy. Now what effect that would have on the world economy at large is something that needs to be analyzed first.

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http://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-philippines-agree-oppose-china-160204828.html

 

Vietnam and Philippines agree to oppose China

 

By JIM GOMEZ

 

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Vietnam and the Philippines will jointly oppose "illegal" Chinese actions in the South China Sea, Vietnam's prime minster said Wednesday in a rare show of public solidarity between two Southeast Asian nations wrestling with Beijing's determination to assert its sovereignty claims in the disputed waters.

 

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, standing beside President Benigno Aquino III after they held talks in Manila, called on the world to condemn China for causing what he called an "extremely dangerous" situation in the South China Sea by deploying an oil rig near an island that both Vietnam and China claim.

 

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea, putting it into conflict with Vietnam and the Philippines, which have rival claims.

 

The "president and I shared deep concern over the current extremely dangerous situation caused by China's many actions that violate international law," Dung told a news conference.

 

"The two sides are determined to oppose China's violations and call on countries and the international community to continue strongly condemning China and demanding China to immediately end the above said violations," he said.

 

The Philippines, a U.S. treaty ally, has been more vocal in opposing China than Vietnam, which has been trying to quietly resolve its territorial dispute with Beijing using ties between the two country's Communist parties. But Hanoi was incensed by the deployment of the oil rig on May 1, leading to speculation it would shift its approach.

 

Last year, the Philippines filed a case against the Chinese claims at a U.N. tribunal, to Beijing's displeasure.

 

Analysts have said Vietnam might now file its own appeal or join Manila's legal challenge against China.

 

The Philippines took the legal step after exhausting other peaceful means to resolve its territorial disputes with China, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said.

 

"I think Vietnam should make an assessment as to whether resorting to legal means is promotive of their national interest," del Rosario said.

 

The deployment of the oil rig has led to the most serious outbreak of tensions in the South China Sea in years.

 

Vietnam dispatched ships to confront the Chinese oil rig that have jostled with Chinese vessels defending it. Last week rioting broke out in Vietnam that killed at least two Chinese workers and wounded more than 100 others.

 

Aquino did not mention the territorial disputes with China when he and Dung faced journalists but said they discussed how their countries could enhance defense and economic ties, adding that both governments aim to double two-way trade to $3 billion in two years. The two countries are now considering raising their ties to a "strategic partnership."

 

"In defense and security, we discussed how we can enhance confidence-building, our defense capabilities and inter-operability in addressing security challenges," Aquino said.

 

China and the Philippines are in a standoff over another South China Sea reef, the Second Thomas Shoal. Chinese coast guard ships have thrice attempted to block Filipino vessels delivering new military personnel and food supplies to Philippine marines keeping watch on the disputed area on board a long-grounded ship.

 

Many have feared the long-seething territorial disputes in the resource-rich South China Sea could spark Asia's next major armed conflict. Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan also have overlapping territorial claims in the strategic area, but the disputes between China, on the one hand, and Vietnam and the Philippines, on the other, have particularly flared in recent years.

 

China has steadfastly said that virtually the entire South China Sea has belonged to it since ancient times.

 

Chinese maritime surveillance ships took effective control of Scarborough Shoal off the northwestern Philippines after Filipino government vessels withdrew from the disputed fishing ground two years ago. Alarmed by China's move, the Philippines challenged the legality of Beijing's vast territorial claims in the South China Sea before an international arbitration tribunal last year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This could result in retaliation by Chinese hackers.

 

http://www.washingto...nese-web-sites/

 

 

Filipino hackers wage cyberwar on Chinese Web site

 

By Ishaan Tharoor

May 20 at 12:42 pm

 

Attention this week has centered on the covert cyberwar taking place between the United States and China. Chinese authorities pointed to the supposed hypocrisy of Washington leveling cyberspying charges against China, even while the United States maintains its own vast network of clandestine surveillance and monitoring.

 

There are myriad other stealth attacks launched from the dark ravines and hideaways of the Internet that governments have to monitor and protect against. And the Chinese aren't just facing the United States.

 

On Tuesday, the Philippine branch of the hacker collective Anonymous announced on its Facebook page that it had hacked and defaced nearly 200 Chinese government sites. The full list of sites is available in the embedded post below.

 

The raid on the Chinese state Web sites comes amid heightened tensions between Beijing and Manila. The two countries have locked horns in a heated maritime territorial dispute over islands in the South China Sea, initially provoked, Philippine authorities argue, by illegal Chinese poaching of endangered species in islands not far from the archipelago nation's coast.

 

Those provocations have escalated into dangerous standoffs between Chinese and Philippine naval vessels. Fear over China's increasingly expansionist behavior spurred the government in Manila to tie up a new security deal with Washington last month.

 

The Anonymous hackers from the Philippines are clearly riled up by this state of events. "China’s alleged claim on maritime territories and oppressive poaching can no longer be tolerated,” read one message posted on a hacked Chinese Web site. Previously, though, Anonymous Philippines targeted Web sites of its own country's government, following the passage of a controversial cybercrime law.

 

The Philippines has a considerable pool of Internet-savvy people, some of whom end up dabbling in the Web's dark arts. Recently, with the aid of Interpol, Philippine authorities arrested dozens in the country involved in global "sextortion" syndicates that would trick gullible netizens around the world into exposing themselves in lewd ways online and then blackmail them. They claimed more than 530 victims in the Chinese special administrative region of Hong Kong alone.

[stevearmstrong]

During Marcos's time, they didn't waste time drilling in West Philippine Sea areas because it's too deep. The cost of technology to drill at such depths was too expensive at that time. That is why Malampaya was built only recently when the new drilling methods and higher drilling accuracy became available for affordable deep sea oil drilling.

[lomex32]

Fisherman pala ha

 

[sonnyt111]

Fisherman pala ha

 

These "crew cuts" do make these men resemble members of a military organization.

[Bugatti Veyron]

China has invaded Vietnam in the past. What's to prevent it from invading Vietnam again to scare other claimants in the South China/Philippine Sea from pursuing their claims in this oil/gas rich region?

 

Also, because of the important Chinese/Asian value of trying to save face, I don't see China backing down by a united front by ASEAN with the US standing right behind them. By putting oil rigs in the area near the Paracel islands, China has painted itself into a corner. It cannot pull out without losing face.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-commander-warns-china-vietnam-standoff-085924226.html

 

US commander warns about China-Vietnam standoffhttp://l.yimg.com/os/152/2012/04/21/image001-png_162613.png By JIM GOMEZ

 

 

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The U.S. military commander in the Pacific warned Friday that the risk of a miscalculation that could trigger a wider conflict in a tense territorial standoff between China and Vietnam is high and urged both nations to exercise restraint.

 

Southeast Asian diplomats have accused China of delaying the start of negotiations for such a nonaggression pact while it tries to consolidate its control of disputed territories.Adm. Samuel Locklear also urged Southeast Asian nations and China to hasten the drafting of a legally binding "code of conduct" to prevent territorial rifts from turning into armed conflicts that could threaten the region's bustling economies.

 

Locklear said he was concerned about a three-week standoff between China and Vietnam near the disputed Paracel Islands and urged them to resolve the territorial conflicts on the basis of international law.

 

"I have serious concerns," Locklear told reporters. "The risk of miscalculation, I think, is high and we encourage them both to exercise restraint."

 

China raised the stakes earlier this month when it deployed an oil rig off in waters also claimed by Vietnam, which sent ships to try to disrupt the drilling operation. Street protests morphed into bloody anti-Chinese riots that damaged hundreds of factories.

 

Analysts have said that countries confronted by China in disputed waters, like Vietnam, may seek a deeper security alliance with Washington.Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, who also attended an economic forum in Manila, told The Associated Press in written comments Thursday that "like all countries, Vietnam is considering various defense options, including legal actions in accordance with the international law." But he said Vietnam would defend itself if it comes under attack.

 

When asked by reporters about that possibility, Locklear said Washington has been forging such relationships and would welcome strategic ties with Hanoi.

 

"We look forward to exploring opportunities to expand our partnership with the nations such as Vietnam as well, but Vietnam is among many," Locklear said.

 

Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum on East Asia, he said that the Asia-Pacific has become the most militarized region in the world, with some of the largest army and naval forces.

 

Philippine Foreign Undersecretary Laura del Rosario said the drafting of a code of conduct has been so delayed that it could be overrun by developments in the South China Sea, where territorial spats have flared and become more complicated in recent years."How these forces are managed to create a fabric of security that allows economic success here has not yet been determined," Locklear said.

 

"We're not acting fast enough and there are so many changes happening now," she said.

 

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea, bringing it into conflict with the far smaller nations of Vietnam, the Philippines and three others that have rival claims. Beijing also has a territorial dispute with Japan over a cluster of islands in the East China Sea.

 

Last year, the Philippines filed a complaint against Beijing before an international tribunal in The Hague challenging the legality of its claims. Beijing wants one-on-one talks with each of its rival claimants, something that gives it an advantage due to its sheer size and power.

 

U.S. efforts to pivot back to Asia after years of heavy military engagement in the Middle East were not meant to curb China's influence, Locklear said, suggesting Asian governments would treat China by its actions in the region.

 

"In my opinion, the only person that can contain China, is China," Locklear said.

 

 

[heatseeker0714]

Fisherman pala ha

 

 

Matagal ng open secret yan Bok... Yung Palawan nowadays was like the Philippines during the 1920s and 1930s up to the early 1940s... Yung mga mag-tataho, driver, hardinero, tindero at kung ano-ano pang mga Hapon sa Pilipinas nung panahon na yon, ganon din yung mga intsik na nagkalat sa Palawan ngayon, specially sa vicinity ng Wescom...

[Bugatti Veyron]

Matagal ng open secret yan Bok... Yung Palawan nowadays was like the Philippines during the 1920s and 1930s up to the early 1940s... Yung mga mag-tataho, driver, hardinero, tindero at kung ano-ano pang mga Hapon sa Pilipinas nung panahon na yon, ganon din yung mga intsik na nagkalat sa Palawan ngayon, specially sa vicinity ng Wescom...

Are you saying that Palawan is in some sort of time warp? A province that has somehow been left behind the rest of the country? This is an interesting assessment.

[maxiev]

The Vietnamese people seems to be more involved in anti-China protests than Filipinos are. It's only the Philippine government that seems to protest China's encroachment on Philippine territory. In Vietnam, the people themselves take the encroachment seriously. Enough for this woman to commit suicide by immolation.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/vietnamese-woman-self-immolates-protest-china-111808329.html

 

Vietnamese woman self-immolates to protest China

Associated Press

 

May 23, 2014 11:02 AM

 

HANOI, Vietnam (AP) — A 67-year-old Vietnamese woman died after setting herself on fire in downtown Ho Chi Minh City on Friday in protest against China's deployment of an oil rig in waters claimed by Hanoi, state media reported.

 

The woman self-immolated in front Reunification Palace around 6 a.m., Thanh Nien newspaper reported.

 

The paper quoted Le Truong Hai Hieu, a top city official, as saying police recovered a plastic container thought to contain fuel, a lighter and seven handwritten banners saying among other things: "Demand unity to smash the Chinese invasion plot" and "Support Vietnamese coast guards and fishermen."

 

China's deployment of the rig on May 1 in the South China Sea triggered fury in Vietnam, which has been feuding with China for years over overlapping claims in the potentially oil and gas-rich seas. Ships Hanoi sent to confront the rigs are now facing off against Chinese vessels protecting it.

 

Street protests also occurred, but Vietnam's authoritarian government clamped down on them after they morphed into anti-Chinese riots that left three Chinese national dead and damaged scores of foreign-owned factories.

 

News of the self-immolation spread quickly on the Internet. Thanh Nien ran a cell phone clip purportedly showing the incident and motor cyclists looking on. The paper said the woman came to the palace by taxi and set herself on fire before guards there could react. By the time they did, her injuries were fatal.

 

Self-immolations in Vietnam are rare but have been occasionally reported over the years.

 

In 1963, a Buddhist monk burnt himself to death at a busy intersection in Saigon to protest the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government. An Associated Press photo of him won a Pulitzer Prize and remains a recognized image today.

[heatseeker0714]

Are you saying that Palawan is in some sort of time warp? A province that has somehow been left behind the rest of the country? This is an interesting assessment.

Nope... Its just that kaduda-duda na yung presence ng madaming Chinese don...mukhang hindi lahat sa kanila eh Philippine Government friendly...

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

Nope... Its just that kaduda-duda na yung presence ng madaming Chinese don...mukhang hindi lahat sa kanila eh Philippine Government friendly...

 

Spies?

[heatseeker0714]

Spies?

 

Agents po Sir... We call them Information Gathering Agents or Agents for short... Medyo nega and cold war-dish na po yung dating ng Spies eh...

Edited May 26, 2014 by heatseeker0714