South China/West Philippine Sea

[dungeonbaby]

1.) There's no need to pretend because I don't post nonsensical one liners.

 

2.) Has China and Vietnam awarded any oil contracts on Philippine claimed territory? No. Vietnam awarded oil contracts on the territory they claim which China is contesting, not Philippine claimed territory.

 

3.) Yes I get your meaning that There's no stopping China from talking to anyone, specially American companies, i never said anything to the contrary. What I was pointing out was that the Federal Government of the US would not stand idly by while China is trying to make a deal with US companies. The US government has always protected its security interests first and foremost and if came to the point between a US company losing a few mil and the US government being denied direct access to one of the supposed biggest oil fields, what do you think their choice would be???

 

4.) yes, apparently they are. But the prospect of an international legal quagmire changes things. Even a Filipino company can talk with China re the oil fields in the WPS, but the big question would be, can such talks come to positive fruitation?

 

1. i said i'll pretend you actually made sense. that means it doesn't matter if your post made sense to you. to me, it didn't.

2. and what was my point? that we are not as aggressive as China (or Vietnam) in trying to develop production for ourselves. napag iiwanan tayo. ang naiwan, talo.

3. you think they can't have direct access to the gas and the oil if they made a deal with China? you think they'd allow that kind of a deal to happen? between a frenemy state that is willing to pay for exploration and production and a lazy ally that won't put up any money to pay for a drill, who do you think an oil company will choose to do business with?

4. fruitation? you lost me again.

[heatseeker0714]

1. i said i'll pretend you actually made sense. that means it doesn't matter if your post made sense to you. to me, it didn't.

2. and what was my point? that we are not as aggressive as China (or Vietnam) in trying to develop production for ourselves. napag iiwanan tayo. ang naiwan, talo.

3. you think they can't have direct access to the gas and the oil if they made a deal with China? you think they'd allow that kind of a deal to happen? between a frenemy state that is willing to pay for exploration and production and a lazy ally that won't put up any money to pay for a drill, who do you think an oil company will choose to do business with?

4. fruitation? you lost me again.

 

1.) ahh ganon ba? wala palang sense pinost ko. I'll just let the more SENIOR AND CREDIBLE posters in this thread judge for themselves with regard to the quality of my posts, sa tagal and active ko dito sa Politics, Economy and Current Events Thread, magkakakilala na kami ditong mga GENUINE and PRODUCTIVE posters.

 

2.) the Philippine government not aggressive enough in developing oil fields in the WPS??? "Napag iiwanan tayo"? Of all the Claimants ba sa disputed Areas ng WPS, sino na lang ba walang up and running oil and or natural gas platform???? Research child. Research.

 

3.) if you were a US Company, who would you rather have NOT breathing down your Corporate Neck, The Federal Government under who's Laws you are subject to scrutiny and regulation or the PRC???

 

4.) the mere fact that you didn't understand my answer shows the lack of depth of your understanding with regard the WPS Issue. I'm a fair man, i acknowledge other posters who give credible answers based on FACTS on whatever they post but on people who just feel slighted because of my response and gives a knee jerk reaction, well, that's another story. It shows said person's mental immaturity. ang dami ko ng nakasagutan dito sa MTC but whenever they refute my posts based on facts, i learn to trust and respect them. Di ko naman gawaing mamikon at mapikon sa isang forum.

[silentkilla]

we got screwed again. walang effect fishing ban sa panatag shoal... the chinese government are not arresting the 92 fishing vessel in violation of it.

[heatseeker0714]

we got screwed again. walang effect fishing ban sa panatag shoal... the chinese government are not arresting the 92 fishing vessel in violation of it.

 

grabe noh??? talagang magulang...

[wendy testicleger]

^Faeldon, nasaan ka na? Palayasin mo na ang mga intruders!

[Missionary]

Tanong ko lang mga kabayan, kamusta naman ang mga chinese dyan sa bansa natin? Takot ba sila na baka gulpihin sila pag malamang intsik sila?

 

Andito kasi ako ngayon nagtatrabaho sa China, medyo sineseryoso nila masyado itong isyu na ito. Kaninang umaga lang, kalahati ng morning news tungkol sa pag-acquire natin ng Hamilton class na barko galing sa US, at iba pang military "buff". May mga "eksperto" pa silang ininterview na galing sa US at mga university dito. Tapos pinapalabas nila na nanganganib daw ang buhay ng mga kababayan nila jan sa pilipinas kasi nagngingitngit daw sa galit ang mga Pilipino. Isip ko lang...hindi naman ah, andami kayang mga Chinoy na pwedeng mapagkamalan! Tsaka kakakagaling ko lang sa bakasyon sa Manila, wala namang galit sa mga Chinese nationals...todo bati pa nga yung mga attendant sa PAL hehe.

 

Sa tingin ninyo, may dapat ba silang ikatakot kung pumunta sa atin ngayon?

[heatseeker0714]

Tanong ko lang mga kabayan, kamusta naman ang mga chinese dyan sa bansa natin? Takot ba sila na baka gulpihin sila pag malamang intsik sila?

 

Andito kasi ako ngayon nagtatrabaho sa China, medyo sineseryoso nila masyado itong isyu na ito. Kaninang umaga lang, kalahati ng morning news tungkol sa pag-acquire natin ng Hamilton class na barko galing sa US, at iba pang military "buff". May mga "eksperto" pa silang ininterview na galing sa US at mga university dito. Tapos pinapalabas nila na nanganganib daw ang buhay ng mga kababayan nila jan sa pilipinas kasi nagngingitngit daw sa galit ang mga Pilipino. Isip ko lang...hindi naman ah, andami kayang mga Chinoy na pwedeng mapagkamalan! Tsaka kakakagaling ko lang sa bakasyon sa Manila, wala namang galit sa mga Chinese nationals...todo bati pa nga yung mga attendant sa PAL hehe.

 

Sa tingin ninyo, may dapat ba silang ikatakot kung pumunta sa atin ngayon?

 

Ok naman sila dito... I have lots of Chinoy friends, specially in one particular Masonic Lodge which is dominated by Chinoys... When asked by a common friend of ours if they have plans of going to China, the majority of them replied that "Yoko nga, mapagkamalan pa kong spy ng Pinas don! Mas mahal ko pagiging Pilipino, boung pamilya ko Philippine passport Lang meron kami. Ni Hindi nga kami marunong mag Mandarin, Panay kami fookien. Yung mga mainlanders masyadong magulang. Laking Divisoria ako pero di ako kasing gulag nila. Iba pagkamagulang nung mga yon." to which all of them nodded their assent.

[wolflove_bigdawg]

I had one Chinoy friend, actually he is pure Chinese as his parents are both from mainland China. sabi nya dati, pag nag gyera daw between China and Philippines, sa Philippines sya because he grew up here.

[khantan]

we got screwed again. walang effect fishing ban sa panatag shoal... the chinese government are not arresting the 92 fishing vessel in violation of it.

Not fair! Gumawa sila ng fishing ban, tapos sila pa ang violators.

[heatseeker0714]

Not fair! Gumawa sila ng fishing ban, tapos sila pa ang violators.

 

Who ever said the world was fair? Specially them ChiComs??? Tama yung sinabi ni DFA Sec. Albert Del Rosario dati when it came to dealing with them ChiComs... "There's this certain basic element lacking when dealing with the PRC regarding the disputed areas in the WPS. That basic element is TRUST."

[yaslyn]

Not fair! Gumawa sila ng fishing ban, tapos sila pa ang violators.

 

what can we say they are a bunch of greedy pandas

[yaslyn]

My link

 

Guys have you read about this report?

well apparently Pentagon has added in their 2012 US congress report that regarding the increasing disputes over their first island chain and second island chain theories, China must balance its interest in the region to maintain harmony with other nations. And the aggressive stance of the Chinese govt, just increased the military relationship not just of Philippines and US but also JApan, South Korea, Australia and Siingapore.

 

If you look at the map made by their so called "theorist" aba kalahati ata ng pacific ocean eh sa kanila na!

sa inyo na kuya!

 

 

nick fury: Based on what you said, Chinese media is obviously peddling black propaganda.

 

I cant agree more.. hmph! they are just trying to get some support from their uninformed people..

Edited May 24, 2012 by yaslyn

[johnlove]

I had one Chinoy friend, actually he is pure Chinese as his parents are both from mainland China. sabi nya dati, pag nag gyera daw between China and Philippines, sa Philippines sya because he grew up here.

A lot of Chinoys would side with the Philippines in the event of war because in times of trouble, they are on their own.

 

From the beginning, China had already announced that she will not consider overseas Chinese as her own.

 

During the Indonesian race riot, China just stood by and let native Indonesians rape and behead Indonesian Chinese.

 

When kidnap for ransom was institutionalized in the Philippines, China did nothing.

 

A lot of Chinoy traders had bad experiences dealing with Chinese manufacturers.

 

A lot of Chinoy manufacturers have to shut down their factories because the cheap low grade goods from China was undercutting the prices.

[heatseeker0714]

China’s sea claims exceed what’s allowed by international law, says Clinton

 

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/37841/china%E2%80%99s-sea-claims-exceed-what%E2%80%99s-allowed-by-international-law-says-clinton

 

The US is now moving rapidly to Sign and Ratify UNCLOS... One more card against them ChiComs...

[fatchubs]

What made you think the US will fight our fight? Will it come to the point of possibly sending USS George Washington?