South China/West Philippine Sea

[Soraoi_empire]

Yang Reed bank lang naman isa sa pinag-iinitan ng china. Sabi nga dun sa isang article, dati naman walang pakialam ang china dun sa grounded ship natin sa ayungin shoal pero nung nagkaroon ng joint exploration ang pinas at china during Arroyo's term at nalaman nilang sagana sa oil and gas yung area na yun nagsimula na silang maging agresibo. Laking tinik sakanila nung barko natin dun. Kapag nawala yung barko natin dun kayang2x na nilang sakupin yung reed bank.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Soraoi_empire

[Joestar]

Ibang kaso kasi yung Nicaragua v. USA dahil iba mag isip mga intsik. Ngayon pa lang may virtual military base na sila don eh.

 

Tapos pabor pa ang Duterte administration sa bwisit na bilateral talks. Para na rin nyang tinapon un paper victory na yon pag pumayag siya

[heatseeker0714]

Ibang kaso kasi yung Nicaragua v. USA dahil iba mag isip mga intsik. Ngayon pa lang may virtual military base na sila don eh.

 

Tapos pabor pa ang Duterte administration sa bwisit na bilateral talks. Para na rin nyang tinapon un paper victory na yon pag pumayag siya

 

No can do yang rason mo... What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander... So what kung iba mag-isip yung intsik as you said...

 

Mapa-Kano or Chinese, isa lang ang importante sa mga yan... Laman ng Pitaka nila... So far kaya lang nagmamatigas yang China is not for us (International Audience) but for their own citizens. kaw ba naman yung gobyernong ilang henerasyon mong idinikdik sa kokote ng mamamayan mo na sa inyo yun tapos biglang sasabihin ng korte na hindi at niloko kayo ng gobyerno nyo, syempre di na makatulog mga bureaucrats nila ngayon...

 

 

Like I said, the Communist Party of China needs the WPS issue as a distraction to foist on their citizens whenever things go rough for them... I'm sure sinasabi na naman ng gobyerno nila that the "World is out to get them" again just like their stu.pid "Century of Humiliation" na ginagamit din nila pag pumapalpak gobyerno nila at napupuna na sila ng mga mamamayan nila...

[camiar]

This video is typical of how China sell to their citizens and to their supporters their reasons of rejecting the arbitration ruling.

 

 

Its a good material to watch and understand so we can compare their reasons vs. ours.

[Seta Sinestro]

Resources lol

 

Not much into politics, but all "great" countries fought for those. I mean bat ba nanakop mga puti nung unang panahon... baka same reason lang din why China is ever the aggressive claimant ngayon.

 

Propaganda is the tool, but what is the objective?

[heatseeker0714]

Resources lol

 

Not much into politics, but all "great" countries fought for those. I mean bat ba nanakop mga puti nung unang panahon... baka same reason lang din why China is ever the aggressive claimant ngayon.

 

Propaganda is the tool, but what is the objective?

 

For China? Security... Both Physically and Financially... If you'll look at China's map, They're protected on their 3 sides by desserts, wilderness, rivers and rugged terrain but their population and economy is concentrated on their shoreline... A shoreline that is open to aggression from other countries... A shoreline that is choked and obstructed from the ocean by other states that are not exactly too friendly with their communist regime...

 

Take out China's vast land area and leave only the places that matter and you'll see that China despite it's huge land area is nothing but a small Coastal state...

Edited July 19, 2016 by heatseeker0714

[FleurDeLune]

Yes bilateral negotiation is China's favor and they even asked the Philippines to disregard the arbitral ruling.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36832025

[camiar]

 

Yes bilateral negotiation is China's favor and they even asked the Philippines to disregard the arbitral ruling.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36832025

China hates to admit it, but the Tribunal's ruling in the Philippines favor is a major setback for them.

 

The Philippines have shown to other claimant countries - Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, and Indonesia that they, too, can file their own case against China in the Arbitral Tribunal, and possibly win. They are in a better position because they have stronger military to enforce the ruling compared to the Philippines'.

 

We would be stupid to disregard the arbitral ruling. Without the military strength to match China's power, the arbitral ruling is our only negotiating advantage.

 

 

 

For China? Security... Both Physically and Financially... If you'll look at China's map, They're protected on their 3 sides by desserts, wilderness, rivers and rugged terrain but their population and economy is concentrated on their shoreline... A shoreline that is open to aggression from other countries... A shoreline that is choked and obstructed from the ocean by other states that are not exactly too friendly with their communist regime...

 

Take out China's vast land area and leave only the places that matter and you'll see that China despite it's huge land area is nothing but a small Coastal state...

 

China's problem is that the Philippines, Taiwan, and Japan are all US allies and these countries form the first chain of islands that keep the Chinese Navy trapped within the South China Sea. This is what the strategists call the "First Island Chain" dominated by the US. The first island chain creates a naval defense line that enables the US to make Pacific Ocean as a vast lake protecting its west coasts.

 

As a rising superpower, China needs total control of the South China Sea to keep the US naval fleets out in order to establish unchecked access of its own Navy to the Pacific Ocean. Once they achieve this, they can freely send their Navy to the Pacific Ocean, neutralize US threat to China's north and south coasts and at the same time pose a threat to US West Coast.

Edited September 10, 2016 by TheSmilingBandit

[heatseeker0714]

 

China's problem is that the Philippines, Taiwan, and Japan are all US allies and these countries form the first chain of islands that keep the Chinese Navy trapped within the South China Sea. This is what the strategists call the "First Island Chain" dominated by the US. The first island chain creates a naval defense line that enables the US to make Pacific Ocean as a vast lake protecting its west coasts.

 

As a rising superpower, China needs total control of the South China Sea to keep the US naval fleets out in order to establish unchecked access of its own Navy to the Pacific Ocean. Once they achieve this, they can freely send their Navy to the Pacific Ocean, neutralize US threat to China's north and south coasts and at the same time pose a threat to US West Coast.

First & Second Island Chain_591x480.jpg

 

Yup! Like I said, "A shoreline that is open to aggression from other countries... A shoreline that is choked and obstructed from the ocean by other states that are not exactly too friendly with their communist regime..."

 

Their PLAN is virtually trapped inside a small sea... Put a Shore Based Missile System in the Aparri - Batanes area and their fleet is virtually blocked from accessing the Pacific Ocean...

Edited July 20, 2016 by heatseeker0714

[camiar]

 

Yup! Like I said, "A shoreline that is open to aggression from other countries... A shoreline that is choked and obstructed from the ocean by other states that are not exactly too friendly with their communist regime..."

 

Their PLAN is virtually trapped inside a small sea... Put a Shore Based Missile System in the Aparri - Batanes area and their fleet is virtually blocked from accessing the Pacific Ocean...

 

I agree.

 

The picture below shows the ranges of possible shore-based defense missile system that will cover most of our 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone.

 

Imagine if you put these missiles at the northernmost tip of Luzon. It would practically seal off China's passage to Pacific Ocean around Taiwan Area.

 

Edited July 29, 2016 by camiar

[Kapote]

Resources are there alright and Philippines already conducted the exploration since 2011 (through Forum Energy, a subsidiary of First Pacific) months after Del rosario was appointed DFA secretary. http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/03/22/11/forum-energy-reaches-drilling-phase-sc-72

 

Pretty convenient since Mr. Del Rosario is one of the managing director of First Pacific.

quote"Ambassador del Rosario joined First Pacific as an Independent Non-executive Director in June 2003 and served as a Non-executive Director from 2004 until March 2011. He re-joined First Pacifics Board in June 2016. He is also a Director of Metro Pacific Investments Corporation, Metro Pacific Tollways Corporation and Indra Philippines, Inc., all of which are First Pacific Group subsidiaries or associate."unquote

 

http://www.firstpacific.com/about-first-pacific/management-team/

 

[Soraoi_empire]

Since the Philippines now has the legal high ground due to the UN ruling, Duterte should negotiate something which would be advantageous to us like having a joint oil exploration all at the expense of China. Now, once oil is discovered, Duterte should ask China to pay for all infrastructure and oil drilling expenses with 50-50 sharing in revenues and half of the workers in that oil platform should be Pinoys. If this happens, then taxes may be lowered since the revenues coming from the joint venture with China will be superfluous, reminiscent that of the oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia. If Rody pulls this off, it is gonna be a major coup for the Philippine economy.

 

Ok ang joint exploration basta dun sa mga area na malapit sa mga islets na pinag-aagawan. Huwag lang sa recto bank kasi napaka-unfair satin nun, pasok na pasok sa EEZ natin yun at yung mga chinese lang naman ang kalaban natin dun.

[NooB]

It does not really matter where as long as the Chinese absorb all costs and agree to a 50-50 sharing of the revenues.

unconstitutional na mag share tayo sa china kahit 50-50 pa yan.

[camiar]

What is your basis?

To answer for Noob,

 

In the 1991 Foreign Investment Act (FIA) there are two negative lists, also known as the “Foreign Investment Negative List”, which defines the foreign investments, which are limited or restricted by the Constitution and specific laws. Negative List A and Negative List B.

Under Negative List A:

One of the investments in the list where No Foreign Equity is allowed, is "Utilization of Marine Resources in archipelagic waters, territorial sea, and exclusive economic zone"

One of the investments where up to 40% Foreign Equity is allowed, is "Exploration, development and utilization of natural resources"

I don't know if Undersea Oil is considered Marine Resources...

Whatever it is, I wouldn't want to even share with China the cost of any exploration and development within our Exclusive Economic Zone.

We can get enough money to do that.

What is preventing investments, however, is the uncertainty that China might use its naval power to prevent us from exploring and developing resources within our own EEZ.

Edited August 5, 2016 by camiar

[Mel G.]

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/08/10/1612063/commentary-conflict-over-marine-resources-west-philippine-sea

 

I pity for the Filipino fishermen that their lives are much affected by the conflict.