hopia_mani_papkorn Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 well see like i said if we really have the best baller in the region y are we scouting for players abroad.... we are concentratng on players who are either fil foreigner or filipinos who are born abroad... dami natin players dyan nakatenga..... just my two cent opinion.... we are looking outward for help to boost our lineup... and not developing our players.... maybe that the reason y NBA scout skip our country as to scouting for talent.... ---Nice point you raised there sir ... But here's the thing ... The reason for scouting .. is not for looking for the best player we could find moneywise .. but talented enough to "teach" the upcoming players .. transfer of technology ... Again .. Time machine .. Just like MVP .. Danding Cojuanco was tapped by the Late then President Ferdinand Marcos in the 80's to "lead" the country back to its glory days of basketball dominance in Asia ... So what did he do .. he went to the US and looked for young coaches .. he invited two of them .. and one was Ron Jacobs .. who used to coach at Loyola Marymount .. a program he turned around after just a year .. He has this idea of "naturalizing" American players and naturalizing them .. So that we could "learn" more on the game .. both the skills and technical aspects. After the EDSA revolution in 86 .. Jacobs left the country ... upon his return in the 90's .. he wasn't allowed to mentor the national team .. I agree that Toroman has a bigger hurdle now .. But I'm sure .. as long as there is no "politics" meddling with his team .. We could probably see a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel ... Quote Link to comment
silentwater Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 THATS THE PROBLEM OF HAVING TWO TEAMS OR SEVERAL TEAMS IN a league.... we all know that TALK and text really wanted japeth so they come up with a beautifu sheme to fool the ublic..... japeth insist on playing for gilas in the guise of patriotism... tama sabi ng iba dyan pera pera pera lang yan.... i still believe that the national team is still three players away from being competitive... will see how they will fare this coming PBA season llamado cla kasi they have a 6-10 import which i think can help them win games in the PBA but not in the international level.... well, i guess some posters here will have to eat humble pie for bashing mvp... yeah, gilas is practically his team too... but look at what tnt just gave up to give japeth to the national team... two first round picks just when the national team players are ready to be drafted... so who's fooling the public now? i guess those crabs who feels they have nothing to say but bash people who merely wants to contribute something to the game the filipinos love... it may be true that at the end of the day, the gilas team may end up failing to get to the olympics but at least we know some people tried... very much unlike most of us who instead of supporting the efforts, we would instead wallow on self proclaimed prophecies based on our twisted view of people we hardly know... just how many here who hated mvp really know him personally... so what if mvp has the money... if he's going to use it to to try to build a respectable team... wtf is the matter with that... so what if the gilas players are getting paid for playing for their country... at least they're playing for their country and not the inter barangay.... so what if they have an import... even the US national teams has their own import from another country... and at least these imports decided to relocate and play for the Philippines... unlike most filipinos who would rather become US citizens... i guess the best thing for us to do is to just shut the fcuk up if we have nothing really good to say... and that goes for all of us not only the guy i quoted... :goatee: Quote Link to comment
silentwater Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 and if anybody here dont have any idea what i was talking about.... well, after some poster bashed mvp and japeth for insinuating that there is a moro moro since they prophesied that mvp only wanted japeth to play for TNT and that japeth was part of the ruse and have no intention of really suiting up for gilas.... the news finally came out.... TNT traded for japeth so they can hand him over to gilas... in effect they surrendered their first round picks in 2013 and 2014... and the date is even more significant because it is when the gilas players will be done with their tour of duty and would be expected to apply for the draft.... so TNT got nothing in return... unless japeth decides to sign up with them after 3 yrs... because the deal even prevents TNT from getting japeth to play for them within 3 years... :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
silentwater Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 and some random thoughts... - we may have the best baller in the region but even our best of the best here is not at par just comparing to the best of asia... - are we concentrating on players who are either fil fors or those born abroad? i dont think so... i think the better way of putting it is that we are concentrating in the best player available... it so happens that most of them are like those mentioned earlier... i just heard that gilas is trying to recruit fajardo and paul lee... and i dont think barroca has any foreign dna in him... ... and they have baracael, ramos, tiu and others also... - but i have to admit na marami dyang players na nakatenga... sa barangay na lang namin eh andaming tambay na player sa inter barangay na liga... yun lang, di kasi talented enough kaya nakatenga... :upside: - and i would also agree that we are not developing our players... the only thing is that, even if develop our 6'4" centers very well, they will never be able to bang bodies with 6'6" guards from other countries... so i guess its not the reason why nba scout skip our country for talent... i think the simple reason is that we sadly lack the player who has enough talent (and sometimes built) to compete in the nba... Quote Link to comment
hopia_mani_papkorn Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 and some random thoughts... - we may have the best baller in the region but even our best of the best here is not at par just comparing to the best of asia... - are we concentrating on players who are either fil fors or those born abroad? i dont think so... i think the better way of putting it is that we are concentrating in the best player available... it so happens that most of them are like those mentioned earlier... i just heard that gilas is trying to recruit fajardo and paul lee... and i dont think barroca has any foreign dna in him... ... and they have baracael, ramos, tiu and others also... - but i have to admit na marami dyang players na nakatenga... sa barangay na lang namin eh andaming tambay na player sa inter barangay na liga... yun lang, di kasi talented enough kaya nakatenga... :upside: - and i would also agree that we are not developing our players... the only thing is that, even if develop our 6'4" centers very well, they will never be able to bang bodies with 6'6" guards from other countries... so i guess its not the reason why nba scout skip our country for talent... i think the simple reason is that we sadly lack the player who has enough talent (and sometimes built) to compete in the nba... --- I know there are so many talented Filipino cagers .. But the problem is international exposure ... That is why we are bypassed .. Because the country is not competitive enough ... even in the Asian level ... Why did they draft so many Chinese players .. Now .. even Iran .. a recent powerhouse in Asia ... was noticed .. because of Hamed Haddidi .. because they have performed well .. in international play ... Let us see what will happen in the next couple of years ... I just hope that they would let Coach Toroman do his job without any distractions from the politicos ... Quote Link to comment
btljc Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 MVP is spending money so we can have a talented team for international competitions. Heck, Smart's PBA games aren't even televised for us to say that he's gaining media exposure. MVP may have two teams, how many teams does Danding have? Hats off to MVP. A little OT, do teams really need muses for its opening ceremonies? Just shows you how the PBA has become stagnant. Even the buzzer is the same. Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 if indeed we have many talented player why not just draft them?? instead of shopping around the world for half half... better yet come up with a comprehensive sports program that will start which finding talent not for corporate gain but at the grass root level...we are the best in southeast asia, but on the asian level e malabo.... Quote Link to comment
hopia_mani_papkorn Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 if indeed we have many talented player why not just draft them?? instead of shopping around the world for half half... better yet come up with a comprehensive sports program that will start which finding talent not for corporate gain but at the grass root level...we are the best in southeast asia, but on the asian level e malabo.... ---Again .. the basketball game is evolving .... we may have the skills but the technical aspect of the game .. That is what we need .. That is what China does .. recruiting potential athletes at a young age ... Develop them .. and provide world class facilities to greatly improve their skills ... I remember during the late 80's that some of our coaches used to attend some Coaching clinics in the US (if Im correct .. the Dale Brown Coaching Clinic?) .. To improve their coaching skills .. The best is Asia .. its possible .. As long as there is no politics in the basketball system ... Quote Link to comment
amante Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 if indeed we have many talented player why not just draft them?? instead of shopping around the world for half half... better yet come up with a comprehensive sports program that will start which finding talent not for corporate gain but at the grass root level...we are the best in southeast asia, but on the asian level e malabo....one word..... pera i must agreewe should have a 19 and under national teambut if im not mistaken we had one under the tutelage of Franz Pumarenalam ko nangamote sila sa first competition na sinalihan...wonder what happened to that team also, how much more grassroots can you get with Smart Gilas (aside from what i mentioned above)?majority of their players are just out of collegethey stood out during the NCAA and UAAP....because a lot of them played since high schoolgranted they have reinforcements coming inbut again, i think SBP is on the right track rome wasnt built in a day...but every journey starts with a first step ha ha ha! unahan ko na kayopinag-connect 2 totally unrelated cliches Quote Link to comment
noti247 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 if Arboleda over Jimmy Alapag? Dahil ba asawa ni Arboleda ang anak ni Bert Lina? Have to agree on this one. Kaya nga kung umasta si Arboleda kala mo kung sino. Nakita ko itsura nung babae. Not pretty but she couldve gotten someone better than Arboleda Quote Link to comment
pajac24 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 MVP is spending money so we can have a talented team for international competitions. Heck, Smart's PBA games aren't even televised for us to say that he's gaining media exposure. MVP may have two teams, how many teams does Danding have? Hats off to MVP. A little OT, do teams really need muses for its opening ceremonies? Just shows you how the PBA has become stagnant. Even the buzzer is the same. dati apat ang team ni danding, ngayon 3 na lang, namely san miguel, ginebra and purefoods, ang nawala ay ang coke Quote Link to comment
peithe Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 one word..... pera i must agreewe should have a 19 and under national teambut if im not mistaken we had one under the tutelage of Franz Pumarenalam ko nangamote sila sa first competition na sinalihan...wonder what happened to that team also, how much more grassroots can you get with Smart Gilas (aside from what i mentioned above)?majority of their players are just out of collegethey stood out during the NCAA and UAAP....because a lot of them played since high schoolgranted they have reinforcements coming inbut again, i think SBP is on the right track rome wasnt built in a day...but every journey starts with a first step ha ha ha! unahan ko na kayopinag-connect 2 totally unrelated cliches That was supposed to be a 16 and under team sponsored by NOKIA ... most of its players then under Franz have gotten over the age limit and are now playing in the college league. if am not mistaken, most of La Salle's rookies are from the said team. This is now being handled by Eric Altamirano Quote Link to comment
amante Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 thanks for the info peithe televised ba ung games ng smart gilas sa pba? Quote Link to comment
pizzapandesal Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 thanks for the info peithe televised ba ung games ng smart gilas sa pba? talo sila kanina sa burger king....si arboleda nanapak ng fan Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 nanapak ng fan? Anong nangyari? Shades of Ildefonso? Quote Link to comment
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