rafael77 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 the last time i checked we never made it to the olympics or the qualifier, so i don't get what 'success' we are talking about. our goal is that and we didn't make it. meaning we failed. toroman and gilas failed. our goal is not doing better than our previous stint. its plain and simple the olympics. no ifs nor buts. and we failed. let's stop this "pat on the back" and "anyway good job guys" mentality. lets not be happy with consolation prizes. thats a surefire formula for mediocrity. lets be a little hard on ourselves and adopt a no compromise attitude in achieving our goals. all or nothing. thats how you accomplish things. anyway we will never stop supporting our national team even if they failed. by the the way the coach who has "quotable quotes" and has basketball philosophy in handling his team (not merely sharing it to public or media) achieved his goal that timel. and thats success. I don't think that you can gauge a coach's worth by the "quotable quotes" or basketball philosophy that he can share to the public (or media)... and also, you can never argue with "success"... Quote Link to comment
rafael77 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 very well said. Tomoh! Really our problem lies in the fact that our inferiority complex shows up whenever a foreign coach shows up in our country.. It happened with Ron Jacobs or Tim Cone (early in his career) and it has happened with Toroman. You get to hear arguments like these coaches are taking the jobs of purebreed or local coaches when they don't bring new to the table. For Christ sakes! This was the very reason why our brand of play stagnated. When Ron Jacobs came in he brought a whole lot to the game even at PBA and the rest of the teams/coaches adjusted or adapted to it. This is what employing foreign coaches is all about, the transfer of technology or new learning's. Instead of absorbing what can be learned and adapting, these very people waste their time thinking that they don't need to learn anything new and pull everyone down (paging the likes of Yeng Guiao). Heck, SBP should have a consistent program for local coaches as well to train abroad for them to continuously learn and improve. In time this well bear fruit for there is no quick fix to a complicated problem. Now that were back in the semis after how many years I hope that we don't put that to waste and continue the program. If we don't retain Toroman's services then I sure hope we get someone better and also with a rich experience in the international scene. Quote Link to comment
thegame08 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Tomoh! Really our problem lies in the fact that our inferiority complex shows up whenever a foreign coach shows up in our country.. It happened with Ron Jacobs or Tim Cone (early in his career) and it has happened with Toroman. You get to hear arguments like these coaches are taking the jobs of purebreed or local coaches when they don't bring new to the table. For Christ sakes! This was the very reason why our brand of play stagnated. When Ron Jacobs came in he brought a whole lot to the game even at PBA and the rest of the teams/coaches adjusted or adapted to it. This is what employing foreign coaches is all about, the transfer of technology or new learning's. Instead of absorbing what can be learned and adapting, these very people waste their time thinking that they don't need to learn anything new and pull everyone down (paging the likes of Yeng Guiao). Heck, SBP should have a consistent program for local coaches as well to train abroad for them to continuously learn and improve. In time this well bear fruit for there is no quick fix to a complicated problem. Now that were back in the semis after how many years I hope that we don't put that to waste and continue the program. If we don't retain Toroman's services then I sure hope we get someone better and also with a rich experience in the international scene. Even the other Asian countries now have a foreign coach hindi ba.... Tomoh! Really our problem lies in the fact that our inferiority complex shows up whenever a foreign coach shows up in our country.. It happened with Ron Jacobs or Tim Cone (early in his career) and it has happened with Toroman. You get to hear arguments like these coaches are taking the jobs of purebreed or local coaches when they don't bring new to the table. For Christ sakes! This was the very reason why our brand of play stagnated. When Ron Jacobs came in he brought a whole lot to the game even at PBA and the rest of the teams/coaches adjusted or adapted to it. This is what employing foreign coaches is all about, the transfer of technology or new learning's. Instead of absorbing what can be learned and adapting, these very people waste their time thinking that they don't need to learn anything new and pull everyone down (paging the likes of Yeng Guiao). Heck, SBP should have a consistent program for local coaches as well to train abroad for them to continuously learn and improve. In time this well bear fruit for there is no quick fix to a complicated problem. Now that were back in the semis after how many years I hope that we don't put that to waste and continue the program. If we don't retain Toroman's services then I sure hope we get someone better and also with a rich experience in the international scene. Even the other Asian countries now have a foreign coach hindi ba.... Quote Link to comment
rafael77 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 wag naman sana. http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/335940/toroman-out-chot-reyes Quote Link to comment
Droidz1979 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Even the other Asian countries now have a foreign coach hindi ba.... If i'm not mistaken most Asian countries that matter in the basketball countries has foreign coaches. If am not mistaken mostly of European descent whose brand of play relies more on team work, passing and shooting other than pure athleticism the way NBA does. Its all about sound basketball fundamentals and i do hope that our local coaches learn about it and adapt it to the local scene the way we are doing with amateur boxing right now which is not relying too much from Cuban coaches after employing them from sometime.. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 wag naman sana. http://www.mb.com.ph...-out-chot-reyes WHAT????? Si Bading????? papalit na coach????????? Time to watch football, volleyball and baseball na lang. My God! Mas ok pa si Norman Black or even a Franz Pumaren. Give these guys good lineups and they will steal the limelight out of every coach. Yes, nawala si Franz sa La Salle BUT its all because of the weak players, not the weakness as a coach! And itong dalawang ito, they know the international rules and types of plays. AGAIN........ WHAT????? Si Bading????? papalit na coach????????? Time to watch football, volleyball and baseball na lang. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I remember na naman yung heady days of Philippine basketball. Asian countries usually get our coaches' services..........LAURO MUMAR...India got his services and now India is a power in Asian Basketball kasi ba naman sa dami ng kanilang population (although lately, they aren't that interested sa basketball). TEMBONG MELENCIO....credit for the development of basketball sa Kuwait. He brough his experience and knowledge sa bansang iyun and now, highly regarded and, sometimes, feared. There are other coaches the likes of JOE LIPA, forgot the country who hired his services as consultant. There are others................ and I am speaking of the amateur (no PBA pa) days of Philippine basketball. Quote Link to comment
Droidz1979 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I remember na naman yung heady days of Philippine basketball. Asian countries usually get our coaches' services..........LAURO MUMAR...India got his services and now India is a power in Asian Basketball kasi ba naman sa dami ng kanilang population (although lately, they aren't that interested sa basketball). TEMBONG MELENCIO....credit for the development of basketball sa Kuwait. He brough his experience and knowledge sa bansang iyun and now, highly regarded and, sometimes, feared. There are other coaches the likes of JOE LIPA, forgot the country who hired his services as consultant. There are others................ and I am speaking of the amateur (no PBA pa) days of Philippine basketball. I agree.. those were the days. ngayon, hanggang South East Asia na lang tayo kinukuha since almost sila na lang kaya nating i-dominate. Wag naman sanang si Chot Reyes ang kunin ulit na coach ng Gilas since pang-PBA lang ang style ng game nya. If not Toroman sana someone with rich international experience although i prefer na i-retain pa din kunin for continuity's sake. Coach Baldwin of Jordan hit the nail on the head when he said that the Phil. team is very inexperienced in the international scene and it was only because of Toroman that we were still able to overcome it. Sad reality but true since the PBA brand of play is not the same or in the same level as that of the international game. Gone where the days when we think the players that play in it are the best in Asia. Maganda lang sya panoorin (flashy individual plays) but it wouldn't bring us back the gold in Asia nor qualify in the olympics. Quote Link to comment
buwitre1781 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 but it seems all roads lead to chot as the new coach of gilas. as for coach rajko mukhang he will be given a consultant post with the SBP. I would rather go with chot reyes kesa kay kalbong yeng guiao. pero kung si norman black much better. si billy ray bates kaya? Quote Link to comment
celts_sucks Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) but it seems all roads lead to chot as the new coach of gilas. as for coach rajko mukhang he will be given a consultant post with the SBP. I would rather go with chot reyes kesa kay kalbong yeng guiao. pero kung si norman black much better. si billy ray bates kaya? If Toroman is still interested with the job, then why not just give him a new contract? I believe even without being able to win it all, he's able to prove his worth. I love BRB as a player but for him to coach Gilas? I would not want the idea that a rookie coach will handle the national squad. Edited October 3, 2011 by celts_sucks 1 Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 but it seems all roads lead to chot as the new coach of gilas. as for coach rajko mukhang he will be given a consultant post with the SBP. I would rather go with chot reyes kesa kay kalbong yeng guiao. pero kung si norman black much better. si billy ray bates kaya? Baka naman puro inuman ang ituro sa mga players kung si BRB ang magiging coach. Quote Link to comment
kenichi15 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 its been ages since we had a national basketball program.toroman's 3 years of basketball program improved us from #54 to #45. hell! we couldve rung up a few notches higher if we hadnt lost to #34 korea. the argument is simple. between the two (toroman and reyes) who is well versed in fiba rules? who knows the coaches, players and scouts of the other teams? and who has the experience in coaching at fiba sanctioned games? sbp officials mus not throw it away. the program works. let rajko toroman stay as coach. and kick chot out of any duties in smart gilas basketball program. Quote Link to comment
TERRENCE34 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Haaayz... suddenly, the future of Philippine basketball has again become so gloomy. Under coach Toroman, the Gilas team placed 4th over-all in the latest FIBA Asia championship DESPITE having eight (8) AMATEUR players. What more can we ask for? And then ano na ang susunod na plano? Haphazard preparation ulit?!? Quote Link to comment
junix Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) its been ages since we had a national basketball program.toroman's 3 years of basketball program improved us from #54 to #45. hell! we couldve rung up a few notches higher if we hadnt lost to #34 korea. the argument is simple. between the two (toroman and reyes) who is well versed in fiba rules? who knows the coaches, players and scouts of the other teams? and who has the experience in coaching at fiba sanctioned games? sbp officials mus not throw it away. the program works. let rajko toroman stay as coach. and kick chot out of any duties in smart gilas basketball program.two more wins. this was how gilas was so close in accomplishing its goal...who knows? maybe a few lucky bounce in the dying seconds of its last game against korea, we might've made it to the qualifying. nonetheless, the undeniable fact remains that it was toroman's knowledge of international basketball that made this leap (from #54 to #45). sbp should just retain the services of toroman and continue the program. the 4th place finish showed that the program worked. chot reyes? forget it...he had his chance before. unfortunately his program didn't work. Edited October 4, 2011 by junix Quote Link to comment
RED2018 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 An update on Kuya Marcus: http://www.philstar.com/thedeanscorner/articlescontent.aspx?articleid=734064&publicationsubcategoryid=69 Quote Link to comment
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