Team Pilipinas Basketball

[silentwater]

^ i'd be happier if we win with an all legit Filipino line up hindi yung nakulangan lang tayo sa sentro, pakikiusapan na natin si Taulava. at sino pa yung mga kano na pina process natin para maging naturalized players ng SG to represent RP? where's the glory in winning kung mga egoy ang dahilan kaya tayo nanalo? pati coach iranian. duh! if basketball is king here, then we should have the talent not only among the players but also among the coaching staff as well. so for as long as Eala and co. will try to bring in naturalized players and Fil-ams and foreign coaches, SG is a joke and was just created for commercial purposes.

 

 

hindi iranian si toroman... dati lang sya coach ng iran...

 

saka ke fil-am or naturalized filipino lang sila eh wag natin idiscriminate... kahit pera pa naging dahilan ng paglaro nila para sa bansa eh sila pa rin me dala ng bandila natin... dapat pa ring suportahan... iba na mundo ngayon... wala nang purong lahi... maliban na lang sa mga aboriginals... sigurado ko 99% sa tin me dugong galing sa ibang bansa...

 

what makes our players filipino is the flag that they are carrying... i would rather cheer for a naturalized filipino carrying our flag (like douhit for example) compared to a supposed filipino born of filipino parents carrying the US flag in the olympics (like bryan villoria before)...

 

and besides, if we can not offer a solution lets stop bringing down those people who are at least trying... even if in the eyes of paranoid conspiracy theorist they are not doing it for patriotism and solely for commercialism... and i will also cheer more those "users" and doing it for commercial purposes compared to those who are just by standers throwing brickbats to those "doers"... anyway i am also 99% sure that those people doing nothing and throwing a lot of s@%t are people who have never even knew who the other guy is and what is his real intentions...

[Liar]

Bopols ka talaga sinungaling! The subject is Toroman then you comment about my Toroman post about China. I can't help but comment and laugh about your post. You'll really find a way to comment about my post even if your post is way off tangent.

 

 

YOu posted that Iran which used to be a whipping boy of the RP was transformed into what it is today by Toroman. Iran is now the supposed Asian powerhouse with China number 2. Sino ba ang coach ng RP team now? Diba si Rajo? Kaya nga tinatanong ko kung dati minamani lang natin ang china itong mga nagdaang taon ay hindi na tayo manalo, therefore with Toroman at helm are you insinuating RP can bring back its winning ways against China? Toroman did that with Iran as you said.

 

unstable na naman ata pagiisip mo at iniiba mo ang paguusap

[ray004]

 

 

and besides, if we can not offer a solution lets stop bringing down those people who are at least trying...

 

 

i strongly agree!

[crystalyx]

^ i'd be happier if we win with an all legit Filipino line up hindi yung nakulangan lang tayo sa sentro, pakikiusapan na natin si Taulava. at sino pa yung mga kano na pina process natin para maging naturalized players ng SG to represent RP? where's the glory in winning kung mga egoy ang dahilan kaya tayo nanalo? pati coach iranian. duh! if basketball is king here, then we should have the talent not only among the players but also among the coaching staff as well. so for as long as Eala and co. will try to bring in naturalized players and Fil-ams and foreign coaches, SG is a joke and was just created for commercial purposes.

 

hindi mo ba alam na muntikang hindi makasali si Taulava sa SG line-up for the Stankovic Cup dahil naunang nag-turn down ng Coke Team Manager ang request ng SBP, na over turn lang ng PBA board on the last minute kaya naka-habol si Asi sa Stankovic Cup (Thursday umalis ang SG entourage papuntang Lebanon, Asi left RP Friday morning). Do you think its still that simple na paki-usapan lang ok na ang lahat?

[Guest hastati]

YOu posted that Iran which used to be a whipping boy of the RP was transformed into what it is today by Toroman. Iran is now the supposed Asian powerhouse with China number 2. Sino ba ang coach ng RP team now? Diba si Rajo? Kaya nga tinatanong ko kung dati minamani lang natin ang china itong mga nagdaang taon ay hindi na tayo manalo, therefore with Toroman at helm are you insinuating RP can bring back its winning ways against China? Toroman did that with Iran as you said.

 

unstable na naman ata pagiisip mo at iniiba mo ang paguusap

The topic was about Toroman. I said he coached Iran to an Olympic slot and that Iran used to be a whipping boy of RP until he came along. Read and comprehend my post. What does China have to do with Toroman and Iran? That's what usually happens when obsession takes over rational thinking. Did I even insinuate that we can beat China now that Toroman is at the helm? In fact, did I even mention China? Oops, why did I even bother to ask?

[wizard23]

hindi iranian si toroman... dati lang sya coach ng iran...

 

saka ke fil-am or naturalized filipino lang sila eh wag natin idiscriminate... kahit pera pa naging dahilan ng paglaro nila para sa bansa eh sila pa rin me dala ng bandila natin... dapat pa ring suportahan... iba na mundo ngayon... wala nang purong lahi... maliban na lang sa mga aboriginals... sigurado ko 99% sa tin me dugong galing sa ibang bansa...

 

what makes our players filipino is the flag that they are carrying... i would rather cheer for a naturalized filipino carrying our flag (like douhit for example) compared to a supposed filipino born of filipino parents carrying the US flag in the olympics (like bryan villoria before)...

 

and besides, if we can not offer a solution lets stop bringing down those people who are at least trying... even if in the eyes of paranoid conspiracy theorist they are not doing it for patriotism and solely for commercialism... and i will also cheer more those "users" and doing it for commercial purposes compared to those who are just by standers throwing brickbats to those "doers"... anyway i am also 99% sure that those people doing nothing and throwing a lot of s@%t are people who have never even knew who the other guy is and what is his real intentions...

 

good point you got there. Like!

 

but then again, if you know you don't have a chance at all, why not re-channel instead all your energies and resources in other sports where you have a better chance of winning?

 

sending our basketball team to international competitions laden with an all Filipino players or naturalized players in the hope of winning a medal be it gold, silver or bronze is just a pipe dream. at least to me, that is a realistic way of assessing it. anyway, i better stop now. i've gotten my point across already. I am already sounding like a broken record and a pessimistic, negative poster who cannot contribute any good but pull down our country's effort to regain its glory in the basketball world. peace out!

[Guest hastati]

Some people think that having naturalized players takes away the glory in winning. Is Jackson Vroman Lebanese? Is Olajuwon really an American? Is Rasheem Wright Jordanian? I've read that there are even naturalized Africans in Qatar's current line-up. The coach of Jordan, Mario Palma is Portuguese, the coach of China was Lithuanian last time I checked. I think China has a new coach who's also a foreigner. For a time, Del Harris of the Mavs was the coach of China. The FIBA has a law that states that a country can have a naturalized player. Some people are still thinking how sweet it is if only pure Filipinos are gonna win us the FIBA championship. The reality is we can't so wake up. I'm sure a poster with 3 nicks and one of them is Liar will comment on this post and my previous post.

[wizard23]

there's really a big difference if our country will win by its sheer local talent. masarap pakinggan na nanalo tayo ng walang "foreign intervention". ok, iba na ngayon. so ride with the times ika nga. but personally, i consider it a shallow victory if our starting 5 are all foreigners na naturalized players. siempre masaya din ako pag nagkataon pag nanalo ang team natin kahit ba puro naturalized player.

 

masarap pakinggan, ang nagpanalo sa tin yung mga local players ng SG hindi sina douhit, et al. sorry di ko na kilala ang mga foreign players natin. sino ba sila? sino yung player sa PBA na kamukha ni obama? lol. ganon ba sila kagaling o porket foreigner, automatic he'll make it to the RP TEAM na? o dito lang ba sila nagbabalandra ng kanilang mga basketball skills because they can't make it in their own country??? e wala din naman syang binatbat the last time he played in international competition for our country. nagpapayaman lang ata sila dito e. kawawa naman ang mga local players natin na deserving kaya lang wala e. favored ata nila ang mga Fil-Ams.

[Guest hastati]

Different folks, different strokes. If you'd rather win with an All-Filipino team, I won't blame you but as I said, we haven't really been good enough to win in the Asian stage. The last time we won a major Asian title was during the 1985 FIBA with Ron Jacobs as coach together with Still, Chip and Moore as naturalized players. Why not follow the winning formula? The closest All-Filipino team that came close to a gold medal in a major Asian international tourney was the 1990 Asiad team of Jawo. SBP is just being practical and perhaps realized that we can't win on sheer All-Filipino talent alone. Yung may 3 nicks dyan, nahiya ka ba magcomment? From hereon in, I would expect a comment from each post I make in any sports thread from the guy with the 3 nicknames, celts/peithe/liar.

Edited August 20, 2010 by hastati

[kanski]

but then again, if you know you don't have a chance at all, why not re-channel instead all your energies and resources in other sports where you have a better chance of winning?

 

hey, wiz. if we weren't talking about basketball, i'd agree with you. but it is basketball that we are talking about and win or lose, we just have to compete. basketball isn't just a sport here, its a passion for some, and a way of life for others. not a lot can say the same thing towards other sports.

 

besides, i think all the other sports that we have a decent crack at international success (like bowling, billiards and boxing) are already covered. the others are just like basketball, pipe dream to win.

[Liar]

The topic was about Toroman. I said he coached Iran to an Olympic slot and that Iran used to be a whipping boy of RP until he came along. Read and comprehend my post. What does China have to do with Toroman and Iran? That's what usually happens when obsession takes over rational thinking. Did I even insinuate that we can beat China now that Toroman is at the helm? In fact, did I even mention China? Oops, why did I even bother to ask?

 

 

Who did Iran have to beat to secure an Olympic slot in the 2008 Beijing Olympics? Hindi ba Iran have to beat China to be able to secure that single Olympic slot allotted for Asia. Note however that China being the host country was assured of its participation already irregardless of its performance in the FIBA Asia Olympic Qualifier.

 

Therefore if you really know what you're talking about, you should have known that FACT ... as well as the link of Toroman/Iran vis a vis China if you're talking about Iran rising to prominence due to Coach Rajo :P

 

Ur also saying "WHY NOT FOLLOW A WINNING FORMULA" referring to the NCC program ... if that is your stand how come you were insisting on POWERADE then?

 

With the good words you have now for the Gilas Team and your shift of loyalty from Powerade to Gilas ... Obviously a clear case of BANDWAGONING!!! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest hastati]

Who did Iran have to beat to secure an Olympic slot in the 2008 Beijing Olympics? Hindi ba Iran have to beat China to be able to secure that single Olympic slot allotted for Asia. Note however that China being the host country was assured of its participation already irregardless of its performance in the FIBA Asia Olympic Qualifier.-It's really hard to argue when people don't understand what you're posting. Did I even mention China?

Therefore if you really know what you're talking about, you should have known that FACT ... as well as the link of Toroman/Iran vis a vis China if you're talking about Iran rising to prominence due to Coach Rajo :P -Yak on Laker bandwagoner, read my post again. Did you even try to understand it or is this a case of obsession over rational thinking?

 

Ur also saying "WHY NOT FOLLOW A WINNING FORMULA" referring to the NCC program ... if that is your stand how come you were insisting on POWERADE then?-Haha! Bringing back what I said months ago? I already made my stand regarding that yet you your warped brain believes that I still go for Powerade.

With the good words you have now for the Gilas Team and your shift of loyalty from Powerade to Gilas ... Obviously a clear case of BANDWAGONING!!! :lol: -I don't know about that but what I do know is that you're a bonafide Laker bandwagoner.

Edited August 20, 2010 by hastati

[Liar]

Yup, you stand was you GO for Powerade until finally saw how Gilas played against your powerade team. And that was the game when Gilas kick the ass of Powerade. As such you immediately shifted loyalty to Gilas. This fits to a "T" the definition of BANDWAGONING

 

In sports, someone who shamelessly cheers for a particular team not because he likes them or follows them faithfully, but only because that particular team is the "popular" choice or has been or is the top team in their specific sport recently. When that team which bandwagoners follow falls from grace, they gleefully jump on the next teams bandwagon and cheer for that team.

 

As to Rajo/Iran and CHINA ...what now a case of SELECTIVE REASONING on your part now? :lol: Obviously you can't dig yourself out of this hole considering a link to China have been establish as you have asked me. Bottomline if you;re saying Iran through Toraman qualified for the Olympics, they had to do it via China so dont insist on not mentioning China.

[Guest hastati]

Yup, you stand was you GO for Powerade until finally saw how Gilas played against your powerade team. And that was the game when Gilas kick the ass of Powerade. As such you immediately shifted loyalty to Gilas. This fits to a "T" the definition of BANDWAGONING-Uhm, I don't know about that but what I know is you only started posting about the Lakers when they became champions. I never saw peithe in the Lakers or Celtics thread in 2008. Who's the bandwagoner now?

 

 

As to Rajo/Iran and CHINA ...what now a case of SELECTIVE REASONING on your part now? :lol: Obviously you can't dig yourself out of this hole considering a link to China have been establish as you have asked me. Bottomline if you;re saying Iran through Toraman qualified for the Olympics, they had to do it via China so dont insist on not mentioning China.-Selective reasoning? Dig myself out of what hole? Haha! Your posts are getting hilarious by the minute. Did you understand what I posted? I posted about Toroman and how he piloted Iran to the Olympics. I also posted that before him, Iran was RP's whipping boy then you go on yakking about this totally unconnected topic of China. Did I mention China? You could not even answer that question. Haha!

Edited August 20, 2010 by hastati

[Liar]

Accusations have to be proven my friend ... hintayin mo na lang akong bumalimbing sa LA bago mo masabing bandwagoner ako. For the meantime since ginawa mo na ang pag amin na napabilib ka ng Gilas nang talunin nila ang Powerade, mukhang ikaw ang lumalabas na Gilas Bandwagoner :lol: :lol:

 

"did i mention CHINA?" ... obviously this is the end all be all of your reasoning. The BEST you can answer to all of these? Thanks my friend for answering in cycles irregardless of questions thrown to you.

 

NEXT TOPIC PLEASE ... checkmate

Edited August 20, 2010 by Liar