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So right now, we can say that the MMA has a chicken-and-egg problem. Less than the best athletes means less profit. Less money means you don't get the best athletes. TO get the best athletes, you need MORE money.

 

But I see MMA thriving in the very near future. Eventually, corporate sponsorships (and i-net profit from webcasts) will bridge the huge gap in pay. By the time the pay has come to even terms, MMA will catapult over and beyond boxing as the main combative sport (for the simple reason that it has the toughest rules). By then, the BADDEST man on the planet will indeed be an MMA champion (no more debates).

 

But for MMA to do all that, it has to solve the problem of inaction caused by all the "hugging" (lol!). Big fan ako dati. Until the fiasco of the superfight between Ken Shamrock vs. Dan Severn (circling around for 20 minutes? WTF?!) Then there was all the hugging. Thank God for Chuck Lidell for bringing back the striking in MMA fights. I still watch MMA now and then. But is no longer "excited" about upcoming cards. I watch it, if I happen to catch it. But I no longer schedule my life around it. Not like a Manny Pacquiao fight. Nothing comes between me and a Manny Pacquiao fight.

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Floyd Mayweather Jr. said that any skilled boxer could be a champ in MMA. he said mixed martial artist could not grapple boxers like him, because theyd be knocked out easily.

 

any NCAA Div 1 wrestling competitor (not even a champ) would grapple the s@%t out of Mayweather. Even someone from a lower weight class.

 

Elite Level fighters fighting in UFC or Affliction would k*ll PBF.

 

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here's what the fighters from Affliction's last event (Arlovski vs. Fedor) earned:

 

MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

 

– Fedor Emelianenko $300,000 (no win bonus) def. Andre Arlovski $1,500,000 (win bonus would have been $250,000)

 

MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

 

– Josh Barnett $500,000 (no win bonus) def. Gilbert Yvel $30,000 (win bonus would have been $9,300)

 

– Vitor Belfort $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus) def. Matt Lindland $225,000 (win bonus would have been $75,000)

 

– Renato “Babalu” Sobral $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou $50,000 (win bonus would have been $50,000)

 

– Paul Buentello $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Kiril Sidelnikov $10,000 (win bonus would have been $25,000)

 

– Dan Lauzon $12,000 (no win bonus) def. Bobby Green $4,000 (win bonus would have been $4,000)

 

– Jay Hieron $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus) def. Jason High $10,000 (win bonus would have been $5,000)

 

from Yahoo! Sports

 

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Here are the fighter's salaries from the Last UFC event (BJ vs. GSP)

 

MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

 

– Georges St. Pierre $400,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus) def. B.J. Penn $125,000 (win bonus would have been $125,000)

 

 

MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

 

– Lyoto Machida $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus) def. Thiago Silva $29,000 (win bonus would have been $29,000)

 

– Jon Jones $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Stephan Bonnar $22,000 (win bonus would have been $22,000)

 

– Karo Parisyan $80,000 (includes $40,000 win bonus) def. Dong Hyun Kim $26,000 (win bonus would have been $26,000)

 

– Clay Guida $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz $20,000 (win bonus would have been $20,000)

 

from MMA Weekly

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BTW do MMA fighters get PPV shares like boxers do?

 

yes PPV shares, and gate shares, i think this practice started way back in the Hughes vs. Gracie fight.

 

and yes there have been fighters that have broken the 6 figure mark, although some are inclusive of the PPV shares.

 

So right now, we can say that the MMA has a chicken-and-egg problem. Less than the best athletes means less profit. Less money means you don't get the best athletes. TO get the best athletes, you need MORE money.

 

^True

 

90% of the world's best fighters are in the UFC right now, which makes it harder for the other organizations to compete. this is bad news for the fighters because without competition, that raise in fighter pay will be minimal as compared to boxing where you just go to the best stable that can pay the most amount of money, and it's insane amounts of money as well.

 

I hope affliction gives the UFC some decent competition and they don't fold in a couple of years (like EliteFC and IFL). they're the best hope of progressing the sport further.

 

Eventually, corporate sponsorships (and i-net profit from webcasts) will bridge the huge gap in pay.

 

this is already happening, just substitute webcast profit with PPV shares.

 

But for MMA to do all that, it has to solve the problem of inaction caused by all the "hugging"

 

The Unified Rules of MMA has pretty much taken care of this already. Stalling or excessive hugging is penalized by the ref and the fight is restarted if there is prolonged inactivity from both fighters. Fights are faster and more exciting now (reference Jon Jones' UFC debut), as compared to the UFCs of old where you can just stay in guard and ride it out for a draw.

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But for MMA to do all that, it has to solve the problem of inaction caused by all the "hugging" (lol!). Big fan ako dati. Until the fiasco of the superfight between Ken Shamrock vs. Dan Severn (circling around for 20 minutes? WTF?!) Then there was all the hugging. Thank God for Chuck Lidell for bringing back the striking in MMA fights. I still watch MMA now and then. But is no longer "excited" about upcoming cards. I watch it, if I happen to catch it. But I no longer schedule my life around it. Not like a Manny Pacquiao fight. Nothing comes between me and a Manny Pacquiao fight.

 

Hmm.. You lost your appetite for MMA after watching a Shamrock / Severn fight that happened about what? 15 years ago. hehe. A lot has changed from then till now and now better officiating makes sure that fighters don't stall anymore, that the action is kept at a fast and furious yet still methodical and technically savvy pace. And oh that Shamrock / Severn fight you cited. It didn't have much hugging at all if I remember it correctly. What happened during the fight was both Ken and Dan stood there for more than half an hour bouncing on their toes and throwing more faints than actual punches. I remember the fight going to the ground for only a few seconds (if any at all).

 

And oh Chuck may have been the biggest crowd drawer back then after all those highlight reel KO's but he is not the sole person responsible for making exciting fights thru his striking again. We have fighters who were in their prime earlier than Chuck like say Pedro Rizzo (who was KOing everyone back then) and Igor Vouvchancyn or even Gilbert Yvel from Pride who had that massive head kick KO of Big Daddy Goodridge.

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any NCAA Div 1 wrestling competitor (not even a champ) would grapple the s@%t out of Mayweather. Even someone from a lower weight class.

 

Elite Level fighters fighting in UFC or Affliction would k*ll PBF.

 

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here's what the fighters from Affliction's last event (Arlovski vs. Fedor) earned:

 

MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

 

– Fedor Emelianenko $300,000 (no win bonus) def. Andre Arlovski $1,500,000 (win bonus would have been $250,000)

 

MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

 

– Josh Barnett $500,000 (no win bonus) def. Gilbert Yvel $30,000 (win bonus would have been $9,300)

 

– Vitor Belfort $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus) def. Matt Lindland $225,000 (win bonus would have been $75,000)

 

– Renato “Babalu” Sobral $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou $50,000 (win bonus would have been $50,000)

 

– Paul Buentello $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Kiril Sidelnikov $10,000 (win bonus would have been $25,000)

 

– Dan Lauzon $12,000 (no win bonus) def. Bobby Green $4,000 (win bonus would have been $4,000)

 

– Jay Hieron $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus) def. Jason High $10,000 (win bonus would have been $5,000)

 

from Yahoo! Sports

 

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Here are the fighter's salaries from the Last UFC event (BJ vs. GSP)

 

MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

 

– Georges St. Pierre $400,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus) def. B.J. Penn $125,000 (win bonus would have been $125,000)

 

 

MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

 

– Lyoto Machida $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus) def. Thiago Silva $29,000 (win bonus would have been $29,000)

 

– Jon Jones $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Stephan Bonnar $22,000 (win bonus would have been $22,000)

 

– Karo Parisyan $80,000 (includes $40,000 win bonus) def. Dong Hyun Kim $26,000 (win bonus would have been $26,000)

 

– Clay Guida $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz $20,000 (win bonus would have been $20,000)

 

from MMA Weekly

 

 

Oh thanks for the infro.

 

Freddie roach gets about 2 million dollars for training Pacquaio. How much would a trainer in MMA usually get?

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Hmm.. You lost your appetite for MMA after watching a Shamrock / Severn fight that happened about what? 15 years ago. hehe. A lot has changed from then till now and now better officiating makes sure that fighters don't stall anymore, that the action is kept at a fast and furious yet still methodical and technically savvy pace. And oh that Shamrock / Severn fight you cited. It didn't have much hugging at all if I remember it correctly. What happened during the fight was both Ken and Dan stood there for more than half an hour bouncing on their toes and throwing more faints than actual punches. I remember the fight going to the ground for only a few seconds (if any at all).

Yeah I know. I watched the fight. Like I said in my original post, Severn and Shamrock circled each other for some 20 odd minutes. Again, WTF?! I only cited this one fight (15 yrs old as you say) for it clearly illustrates the point on why some people are turned off by the UFC/MMA. Damn. The original UFC had us on the palm of their hands. I loved watching a ninja go up against a sumo wrestler! Lol! But blame goes to Severn and Shamrock. s@%t. Even Gracie, even as he was a grappler and submission artist, made for more exciting fights that SHAM (rock).

 

And oh Chuck may have been the biggest crowd drawer back then after all those highlight reel KO's but he is not the sole person responsible for making exciting fights thru his striking again. We have fighters who were in their prime earlier than Chuck like say Pedro Rizzo (who was KOing everyone back then) and Igor Vouvchancyn or even Gilbert Yvel from Pride who had that massive head kick KO of Big Daddy Goodridge.

 

Yes. I know. I only mentioned Chuck because he is the biggest name in MMA who is a striker. You can also add here Vito Belfort (but the man has no grappling skills). At least, Chuck has perfected the defense against the takedown. And in the few instances he was taken down, he managed to at least survive and live to fight a stand-up game.

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To answer the original question of the thread: YES, MMA will k*ll boxing (as we know it today). That is if they play their cards right. Magkaroon lang ng isang big-time backer yan (how about WWE owner, Vince McMahon? WWE is dying!), put up the big purses to attract even BIGGER TALENTS! And within 10 years, overtaken na ang boxing as the premiere combative sport. Boxing then, will become a farm league of sorts... the PBL to the PBA...

 

Wag lang i-sell as a "SUPERFIGHT" then mag-ikutan for 20 minutes. Tama ba yun? At wag lang magyakapan for 10 minutes.

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Freddie roach gets about 2 million dollars for training Pacquaio. How much would a trainer in MMA usually get?

 

much less than that, i assume

 

although, if you look at it proportionately (Roach got about 4% of a 50M purse), I would guess some of the more elite trainers such as Ibarra, and Greg Jackson, get the same percentage too.

 

i don't know how much Arlovski paid Roach though.

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You can also add here Vito Belfort (but the man has no grappling skills). At least, Chuck has perfected the defense against the takedown. And in the few instances he was taken down, he managed to at least survive and live to fight a stand-up game.

Vitor has an excellent BJJ Pedigree i believe so (BJJ Black Belt)

 

i really don't know why you said he's got no grappling...

 

my guess is you base it on the fights you've watched chief, hehehe Vitor's like a Jorge Gurgel... excellent BJJ but rarely uses it in favor of striking (and that's the reason Gurgel lost a lotta fights) but it's different in Vitor's case ^_^

 

Wag lang i-sell as a "SUPERFIGHT" then mag-ikutan for 20 minutes. Tama ba yun? At wag lang magyakapan for 10 minutes.

i don't think "SUPERFIGHTS" like that would happen again chief, MMA has evolved in the last several years... nowhere are you going to see the long circling (pormahan lang ba) as they get penalized for this (check out the Nate Quarry VS Kalib Starnes fight and you'll catch my drift)

 

SUPERFIGHTS now are like the GSP VS PENN fight, all action chief ^_^

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You can also add here Vito Belfort (but the man has no grappling skills).

harsh words to say to a four-time brazilian jiu jitsu champ (at age nineteen, by the way).

 

i don't think "SUPERFIGHTS" like that would happen again chief, MMA has evolved in the last several years... nowhere are you going to see the long circling (pormahan lang ba) as they get penalized for this (check out the Nate Quarry VS Kalib Starnes fight and you'll catch my drift)

 

SUPERFIGHTS now are like the GSP VS PENN fight, all action chief ^_^

kind of disappointed with kevin belingon vs. justin cruz though.

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vitor IS in fact a BJJ blackbelt, and yes he has applied them in fights before

 

it's just that he has amazing boxing, and unnatural speed that he rarely gets to showcase his ground skills

 

and I don't think I've ever seen a brazilian fighter who doesn't have at least purple belt level skills.

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