kanski Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Im not a Kobe hater, I just think that he is an over-hyped player, over-hyped by the media and by his fans.. He doesn't have the quality to be a leader, thus IMO, he will never ever win a championship as long as he's the leader of a team unless of course if you back him up with another ALL-STAR player and a go-to-guy..Most of us know the reason they won those champioships in LA in the early 2k, its because Shaq was there and he was the MAIN REASON they won those championships and not Kobe.. As Ive said before, after everything is written down, KOBE BRYANT'S name will be a notch below the great players who have played in the NBA, I can just compare him to a PENNY HARDAWAY, MOOKIE BLAYLOCK or a BERNARD KING, who were all good scorers but they're not one of the greats. kobe is over hyped bec. 'he doesnt have the quality (sic) to be a leader.' bec. he is not a good leader, he will not win a championship without another all star teammate. ergo, kobe is overhyped because he will not win a championship without another all star teammate. and vice-versa. i'm neutral when it comes to kobe and the lakers (actually, every team but the pistons). just have to get that out of the way. while i don't get to watch laker games that often, i was able to get extended glimpses of the 2 concluded games of the current nba finals. i observed that the lakers, both the players and the coaching staff, but especially the players, look up to kobe and seem to consider his opinion in their plays. now if that is not an indication that he is a leader, i don't know what is. is he a good one? well, they've reached the nba finals the past two years. without shaq. should be self explanatory. come to think of it, all the so-called great leader players that have won an nba title had at least another great player as a team mate. jordan had pippen (and rodman during the latter years). magic had kareem (and a host of others in the latter years). and bird had mchale (and a host of others as well). so i don't subscribe to the notion that a good leader is one wins championships without another good back-up team mate. otherwise, all those three players are just overhyped. Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) kobe is over hyped bec. 'he doesnt have the quality (sic) to be a leader.' bec. he is not a good leader, he will not win a championship without another all star teammate. ergo, kobe is overhyped because he will not win a championship without another all star teammate. and vice-versa. i'm neutral when it comes to kobe and the lakers (actually, every team but the pistons). just have to get that out of the way. while i don't get to watch laker games that often, i was able to get extended glimpses of the 2 concluded games of the current nba finals. i observed that the lakers, both the players and the coaching staff, but especially the players, look up to kobe and seem to consider his opinion in their plays. now if that is not an indication that he is a leader, i don't know what is. is he a good one? well, they've reached the nba finals the past two years. without shaq. should be self explanatory. come to think of it, all the so-called great leader players that have won an nba title had at least another great player as a team mate. jordan had pippen (and rodman during the latter years). magic had kareem (and a host of others in the latter years). and bird had mchale (and a host of others as well). so i don't subscribe to the notion that a good leader is one wins championships without another good back-up team mate. otherwise, all those three players are just overhyped. Absolutely right! this is the same reason I said in my other post about Lebron James even before the playoffs started, that as good of a player Lebron James is, he will not win the NBA championship this year. Now going back to Kobe, I stick to what I've said in the past, He is overrated (not just for the reasons you've quoted from me in my last post you may wanna backread to my earlier posts in this thread), I couldn't care less what these other posters who are obviously KOBE FANATICS (or should I say nuthuggers?) say.. the thing is, there's a THIN LINE between being an ALL-STAR Player and being named as an ALL-TIME GREAT, and these people are confused between these two categories.Then again, after a few more years, after Kobe retires and everything is written down, KOBE'S NAME WILL BE A NOTCH BELOW THE GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME.. Edited June 8, 2009 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Quote Link to comment
Guest inquirer Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Absolutely right! this is the same reason I said in my other post about Lebron James even before the playoffs started, that as good of a player Lebron James is, he will not win the NBA championship this year. Now going back to Kobe, I stick to what I've said in the past, He is overrated (not just for the reasons you've quoted from me in my last post you may wanna backread to my earlier posts in this thread), I couldn't care less what these other posters who are obviously KOBE FANATICS (or should I say nuthuggers?) say.. the thing is, there's a THIN-LINE between being an ALL-STAR Player and being named as an ALL-TIME GREAT, and these people are confused between these two categories.Then again, after a few more years, after Kobe retires and everything is written down, KOBE'S NAME WILL BE A NOTCH BELOW THE GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME.. oh please tell us who are on your list of the greatest players of all time? Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) oh please tell us who are on your list of the greatest players of all time? These are some of the NBA's ATGs and Hall of Famers..Michael JordanKareem Abdul-JabbarLarry BirdWilt ChamberlainClyde DrexlerJulius ErvingPatrick EwingWalt FrazierGeorge GervinMagic JohnsonKarl MaloneMoses MaloneKevin McHaleHakeem OlajuwonShaquille O'NealScottie PippenDavid RobinsonBill RussellJohn StocktonIsiah ThomasWes UnseldJames Worthy Edited June 8, 2009 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Quote Link to comment
boibastos Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) These are some of the NBA's ATGs and Hall of Famers.. Man, ALL of those guys had All-Stars and go-to guys to help them out. If having those guys takes a player out of being a great, then no one would qualify. Edited June 8, 2009 by boibastos Quote Link to comment
kanski Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 ^^ greatest. but still overhyped? Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 ^^ greatest. but still overhyped? Read again, I said a notch BELOW the greatest players of all time. Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Man, ALL of those guys had All-Stars and go-to guys to help them out. If having those guys takes a player out of being a great, then no one would qualify. Mukhang hindi mo naintindihan yung mga posts ko, or you were not reading them thoroughly.. Quote Link to comment
boibastos Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Mukhang hindi mo naintindihan yung mga posts ko, or you were not reading them thoroughly.. You said that Kobe will be a notch below the greatest players of all time because he's not a leader, right? And he's not a leader because he can't win championships without another all-star/go-to guy, correct? Quote Link to comment
bukn0y Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 what a weird guy saying that he is not a top notch player. then how come no one in the league except wilt scored 80 and above? scored 60+ pts in 3 qtrs ahead of the total score of the opposing team. scored 40+ pts consecutive. and you say he is a type of a player like blaylock? how about sakuragi pang ilan ba sya ngayon sa NBA? baka #1 sya dude wake up. most of those former NBA player saying KOBE is atleast a top 10 and maybe a top 5 when he win a ring this season and for you he is just a regular all-star player? and to think hindi ka pa hater nyan ha hmm maybe you saying nash, dirk, wade are more better than KOBE? bakit di mo nalang sabihin parang level lang sya ni steve francis na namamahinga na din ngayon Quote Link to comment
Guest inquirer Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 These are some of the NBA's ATGs and Hall of Famers..Michael JordanKareem Abdul-JabbarLarry BirdWilt ChamberlainClyde DrexlerJulius ErvingPatrick EwingWalt FrazierGeorge GervinMagic JohnsonKarl MaloneMoses MaloneKevin McHaleHakeem OlajuwonShaquille O'NealScottie PippenDavid RobinsonBill RussellJohn StocktonIsiah ThomasWes UnseldJames Worthy I'll just pick one, drexler a notch above kobe??this guy have to be traded with his college buddy for him to win one. Quote Link to comment
kanski Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 ^ isa pa si stockton.. i mean, following slam's basis for consideration for being an all time great, you should win an nba title sans another star for a teammate. that should prove a player's mettle for leadership. without leadership, you shouldn't be considered an all time great. problem with stockton is, he doesn't have a championship ring to show for. this despite being paired with arguably the best power forward in the league's history. Read again, I said a notch BELOW the greatest players of all time. no bro, i was referring to your list of all time greats. they are the greatest, yes. yet all overhyped by your line of thought. Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 You said that Kobe will be a notch below the greatest players of all time because he's not a leader, right? And he's not a leader because he can't win championships without another all-star/go-to guy, correct? WRONG! AGAIN YOU GUYS ARE NOT READING MY POSTS WELL ENOUGH, I ADVISE YOU TO DO SOME BACKREADING BEFORE YOU REPLY :thumbsdownsmiley: Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) what a weird guy saying that he is not a top notch player. then how come no one in the league except wilt scored 80 and above? scored 60+ pts in 3 qtrs ahead of the total score of the opposing team. scored 40+ pts consecutive. and you say he is a type of a player like blaylock? how about sakuragi pang ilan ba sya ngayon sa NBA? baka #1 sya dude wake up. most of those former NBA player saying KOBE is atleast a top 10 and maybe a top 5 when he win a ring this season and for you he is just a regular all-star player? and to think hindi ka pa hater nyan ha hmm maybe you saying nash, dirk, wade are more better than KOBE? bakit di mo nalang sabihin parang level lang sya ni steve francis na namamahinga na din ngayon You're obviously one of those who are not reading my posts well enough, do some backreading first before you reply.. pero for your benefit ipo-post ko na lang ulit yung reason ko why I said Kobe's an overrated player: "Anyhow, for the sake of argument, here are my reasons why I listed their names. James Yap is nicknamed by Mr. Mico Halili as "The Man with a Million Moves"..wtf, for a player who moves slow on his feet when he drives to the basket and throws a one-handed, hand-gripped shot..the nickname is just too much for his calibre, much less winning the MVP plum a couple of years ago. and as an outside shooter? I can give you 5 names who is better than him when it comes to shooting the three-point shot and yet these players are not even considered as one of the best bball players in the PBA. Kobe Bryant on the other hand, was a conceited SOB way back when the Lakers have been winning championships with him and Shaq in the frontline..openly saying that he was the leader of the team and the main reason why the lakers have won the championships, (kaya nga asar sa kanya si O'neil)..IMHO, Kobe is an ALL Star player, no doubt about it, but for him to be on the top 10 MVP candidates for the past few seasons (and have actually won the plum last year) is an overrating for him..IMO he's just the guy who throws too many shots (being a ball-hog) he averages 25-30 shots per ballgame and any good-enough player and a ball-hog like kobe can produce the same stats so long as they give that player 25-30 shots a ball game. Steve Nash, is a good player, but for him to win back to back MVP's is again, an overrating, beating the likes of Dirk, Shaq and Lebron in the race. for most of his career, Steve Nash was an above average player, it was just when he moved back to the Suns that he was considered as one of the best players in the NBA, in fact he was already in his 30's when he won the MVP plum." Edited June 8, 2009 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Quote Link to comment
complicated8 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 ^^http://realtalkny.uproxx.com/2009/06/topic...-during-finals/ watch the video and listen to magic - one of everyone's all time greats You don't have to listen to other laker fans. Quote Link to comment
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