Guiness Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 You are aware that the Lakers from that point in time have been in the finals the previous 3 years. They were pretty much gassed and fatigued by that season so your Mavs caught a break there by playing them the first round. They were the fresher team. They were on a roll by then from the sweep and they road that momentum in the finals against the Heat who were favored against them, but the one mistake the Heat made was they didn't respect them and underestimated them thinking the trophy would just be handed to them because they were the more talented team. Did you see this video of them making fun of Dirk being sick and the felt he was faking his illness? This video was before game 5 when the series was tied. this was a team who didn't respect their opponent and was still joking around when the series was tied. They didn't respect Dirk and that's what happened to their arrogance. That's why im saying the Mavs won through luck because the Heat underestimated them. This was also the year that Lebron made that speech about not winning just one " not one, not two, not three, not four etc... championships being this was the first year of the Big 3 in Miami. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoOXKha7uL4 You pretty much made my point since you're a fan of Kidd and telling me that you won every bet, because you were the only One who bet on them. That's what i'm telling you, no one believed they would win because the majority was pulling for the Heat. By virtue of being a fan you remove yourself from being objective since you have belief and faith on your team even if the oddsmakers are against them. Nothing wrong with that. I, on the other hand can say i am objective since i thought like everybody else that the Heat were favored to win. I am actually a Knick fan, and since my team didn't qualify for the finals. I rooted against the Heat since i would rather see them lose than win the championship. But at the back of my mind, while watching each game. I always thought that the Heat would win since they had the best player in the game in Lebron James. When the mavs won it was a shock to me that they won and also relief since the Heat loss. Like i said luck. The expression "It's better to be lucky than good" applies to them. Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Luck? Bullsyet. They dethroned the Lakers because the Lakers were "exhausted" for being in the finals the previous three years?! Seriously? So what were the other teams doing in those three years? Watching TV? I mean because the Lakers were exhausted? Wow. The Lakers defeated the Lakers because the Mavs were the better team that year. Period. Are you saying that the Lakers were also playing every off-season and not taking a break just like the other 29 teams? The Miami Heat only lost because they disrespected the Mavs? What kind of crap is that? If I were to follow your reasoning, can I say that Heat just got lucky that they faced a young and inexperienced OKC Thunder when they won their first title? Was it luck the second time around because Ray Allen drained a crucial three-pointer when the Spurs could have taken the title in Miami? Please don't use "objectivity" and "luck" in the same paragraph because they contradict each other. And it isn't right to say that being objective is being one with "most." Dahil maraming nagsasabi na Heat ang mananalo sa finals nila ng Mavs nung 2011 eh lack of objectivity na kapag sumalungat ka? Eh paano yung Mavs vs Heat finals nung 2006? The Mavs were heavily-favored but the Heat won. So lack of objectivity ba yung naniwala sila DWade na kaya nilang talunin ang Heat? Syet. Edited September 24, 2015 by Eddy Syet Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Ok, stay with me here. Let's focus on the lakers and the lakers only. If you look at the schedule, the finals are played until June right? Now how much rest do you get in the off season before training camp starts and a new season. Since training camp starts at the end of september. The team gets what, at the most 3 months of rest between july- august. Not even counting the summer league and their commitments to endorsers. You saw steph curry go on tour right? that's one of those commitments they need to uphold in their contracts to showup at camps and endorse whatever product their signed to. I don't know about you but 82 games in a season is a lot not to mention the playoffs and finals. Repeating and going back to the finals every year is tough. Mentally and physically it can be draining. I'm just not saying this because its my opinion. These opinions come from analysts and NBA players themselves who say that playing until June can be draining. The other 29 other teams you mentioned got eliminated and had more time to recharge and rest. The lakers fought a good series with the Mavs, but mental and physical fatigue caught up with them and the Mavs had fresher legs. I'm not taking anything away from the Mavs winning that series but, you have to admit fatigue did play a factor. The lakers looked old and worn out Going back to the 2011 Mavs. Answer me honestly, do you believe for a FACT that the Mavericks were a more talented team than that Heat team? Don't take into account the results of the finals and just judge the team looking at them from a glance. Player to player and overall, who is the more talented team? The following season, the two times they met during the regular season. The heat dominated both games and both games ended up in a rout. I would say the following season, they did not underestimate them again. That's what the difference was from the previous year they lost to them. They did not respect them enough to give them credit for making the finals. Hard lesson learned by Lebron that also humbled him because he was arrogant enough to believe that being the "chosen one" that winning championships is easy. You can't apply the same reasoning to other teams because they have different circumstances. You mentioned the OKC thunder the following year. Yes, they were young and inexperienced. But, the determining factor on that series was, the Heat were the more talented team. Lebron is the best player in the world. Everyone knows that. He guarded KD for the most of the important moments of the game and he wasn't going to underestimate them like he did the Mavs. You mentioned the Ray Allen 3. Heck yea that was lucky. But i think part of it was also Coach Pop's fault for not putting Duncan in the game. That was luck however you look at it. The game was decided by ONE rebound. That's all it was, One rebound between the spurs winning it all and the Heat getting a big momentum. The game 7 after that was pretty much a demoralized Spurs team who had no more fight left in them after it was taken away in game 6. Luck can play a big factor in sports. That's what i believe, You misunderstood my point on being objective. Being objective is having no affiliation or favoring a side. You are neutral. It's not a negative thing. Those people who said they were rooting for the Heat. They're not objective because they are biased towards the Heat, same thing with you being a Mavs fan. There's nothing wrong with that. It should be encouraged that you make a case for your team as what you are doing now. I'm pretty much the same as well when you i am talking about the Knicks. I'm not objective when it comes to them. There's nothing wrong with not being objective when it comes to a team you are siding with or favor. You're talking about the people who were rooting for the Heat in to win in the 2006 Finals. Of course there wasn't any objectivity because they were Heat fans. They want the Heat to win like any other fan would, therefore they wouldn't be objective. They would be biased. Unless they were casual basketball fans who have no afiiliation and have don't favor any side. Again, nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Ok, stay with me here. Let's focus on the lakers and the lakers only. If you look at the schedule, the finals are played until June right? Now how much rest do you get in the off season before training camp starts and a new season. Since training camp starts at the end of september. The team gets what, at the most 3 months of rest between july- august. Not even counting the summer league and their commitments to endorsers. You saw steph curry go on tour right? that's one of those commitments they need to uphold in their contracts to showup at camps and endorse whatever product their signed to. Until June. It ends there. No need to mention anything that happens after June because all the syet that happens after June happens to ALL teams in the league. The Lakers do not hold monopoly over endorsements and summer league and other commitments. OTHER TEAMS HAVE THAT TOO. The Lakers only played longer by 3 series. Are we really going to count that as a factor? The Mavs are in the playoffs in 2010 too. They just said, "goodbye," earlier. At to that the fact that the Lakers won the title! Are you going to be really "exhausted" in the true sense of the word after winning a title?! Wouldn't "ecstatic" be more realistic? I don't know about you but 82 games in a season is a lot not to mention the playoffs and finals. Repeating and going back to the finals every year is tough. Mentally and physically it can be draining. I'm just not saying this because its my opinion. These opinions come from analysts and NBA players themselves who say that playing until June can be draining. The other 29 other teams you mentioned got eliminated and had more time to recharge and rest. Nope, only 14 teams get eliminated. The rest goes to the playoffs and the Lakers played as long as the Celtics and only one series more than two other teams: the Suns and the Magic. They only played two series longer than 4 other teams in 2010: Cleveland, Atlanta, Utah, and San Antonio. And only 3 series longer than 8 more teams. Is that really that many? I don't think so. After that they get to carry on with other activities or rest days JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. The lakers fought a good series with the Mavs, but mental and physical fatigue caught up with them and the Mavs had fresher legs. I'm not taking anything away from the Mavs winning that series but, you have to admit fatigue did play a factor. The lakers looked old and worn out The Mavs had fresher legs? You make me laugh! The Lakers' average age in 2011 was 30.2. That's the second-highest in the league. Guess who's the OLDEST team in terms of average age that year? THE MAVERICKS! Check it out here: (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html) The Mavs were clearly the BETTER team. Going back to the 2011 Mavs. Answer me honestly, do you believe for a FACT that the Mavericks were a more talented team than that Heat team? Don't take into account the results of the finals and just judge the team looking at them from a glance. Player to player and overall, who is the more talented team? The following season, the two times they met during the regular season. The heat dominated both games and both games ended up in a rout. I would say the following season, they did not underestimate them again. That's what the difference was from the previous year they lost to them. They did not respect them enough to give them credit for making the finals. Hard lesson learned by Lebron that also humbled him because he was arrogant enough to believe that being the "chosen one" that winning championships is easy. More talented team? LOL. The Mavs are 57-25 and the Heat are 58-24. The Heat are only better by one game and the Mavs lost starter Caron Butler for the season. Imagine had Caron not been injured, the Mavericks could have gotten more wins because they went into a tailspin for a while when Caron went down before they started winning again. As for the Heat, who else do they have outside of LeBron, Bosh, and Wade? Those three are definitely more talented than Dallas' top 3 players but the Mavericks were deeper. Way deeper. No, my friend, the Heat dominated the Mavs the following season because that's a totally different team. We don't have Chandler anymore and the team's riddled by injuries. Do you know who played the most games for Dallas that year? Dirk. How many games did he play? 62! Yep, the Maverick with the most games under his belt that season MISSED 20 games! LOL. But that's the NEXT season, isn't it? So who won the season series in 2011 when the Mavs won the title? It's the Mavs, 2-0. So who's more talented in 2011? Dallas started the season at 24-5. Then went on a tailspin when Caron went down 3-10. Got their bearing and went 18-1 after that. Were the Mavs really that weak? Think again! You can't apply the same reasoning to other teams because they have different circumstances. You mentioned the OKC thunder the following year. Yes, they were young and inexperienced. But, the determining factor on that series was, the Heat were the more talented team. Lebron is the best player in the world. Everyone knows that. He guarded KD for the most of the important moments of the game and he wasn't going to underestimate them like he did the Mavs. The Heat underestimated the Mavs. So was that the Mavs' fault? LOL You mentioned the Ray Allen 3. Heck yea that was lucky. But i think part of it was also Coach Pop's fault for not putting Duncan in the game. That was luck however you look at it. The game was decided by ONE rebound. That's all it was, One rebound between the spurs winning it all and the Heat getting a big momentum. The game 7 after that was pretty much a demoralized Spurs team who had no more fight left in them after it was taken away in game 6. Luck can play a big factor in sports. That's what i believe, So the Mavs got lucky? LMFAO! That's cute. They were lucky against the hard-fighting Blazers, the defending champion Lakers, the upstart Thunder and LeBron's super team! Nice! The Celtics' leprechaun might have been living in Dallas in 2011 huh? You misunderstood my point on being objective. Being objective is having no affiliation or favoring a side. You are neutral. It's not a negative thing. Those people who said they were rooting for the Heat. They're not objective because they are biased towards the Heat, same thing with you being a Mavs fan. There's nothing wrong with that. It should be encouraged that you make a case for your team as what you are doing now. I'm pretty much the same as well when you i am talking about the Knicks. I'm not objective when it comes to them. There's nothing wrong with not being objective when it comes to a team you are siding with or favor. I'm biased when it comes to the Mavs. You're may be right. Are you forgetting that I was defending the Warriors' title in this thread and discussing the Mavs is just a by-product of that? My point being - The Warriors are NBA champions because they prepared, worked, and played hard. If the other teams came up short - it's their fault. It's not because the Warriors just got lucky! You're talking about the people who were rooting for the Heat in to win in the 2006 Finals. Of course there wasn't any objectivity because they were Heat fans. They want the Heat to win like any other fan would, therefore they wouldn't be objective. They would be biased. Unless they were casual basketball fans who have no afiiliation and have don't favor any side. Again, nothing wrong with that. So am I being biased for the Warriors? No, I'm not. I'm being objective when I say their championship's legit because they were the best team in the NBA last season. The playoff run proves it and the regular season proves it. Why? Was it the Spurs? The Cavs? I'm sorry - they lost. Hard to label a losing team as the best. Edited September 24, 2015 by Eddy Syet Quote Link to comment
walangbukas123 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Mej mahihirapan sila ngayon dahil nawala si david lee. pero kaya parin nila mag Semis or Finals basta tama positioning nila. Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Mej mahihirapan sila ngayon dahil nawala si david lee. pero kaya parin nila mag Semis or Finals basta tama positioning nila. hindi nman nila masyadong ginamit si David Lee... kya madaling na-itrade ang problema nila wla na si Gentry na syang offense strategies nila.. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 curious to see how they will perform versus the much improved teams like the spurs, clippers and the comebacking okc thunder Quote Link to comment
Nel Horan Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 halimaw si steph kanina.. Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The Warriors' drive to win back-to-back titles is only fueled by all the disrespect their team is getting. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) The Warriors' drive to win back-to-back titles is only fueled by all the disrespect their team is getting. They should definitely use that as a fuel. If people within the league they are playing in are picking against them then i don't know what else they could use as extra motivation. Edited October 28, 2015 by hahnz Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 They should definitely use that as a fuel. Prove the nay-sayers wrong Steph started doing that in the opener yesterday. LOL. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Steph started doing that in the opener yesterday. LOL. I meant the end result. There's still 81 games to play. They have to make the playoffs and get to the finals and win it again Edited October 28, 2015 by hahnz Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I meant the end result. There's still 81 games to play. They have to make the playoffs and get to the finals and win it again That's why I said Steph already started. I didn't say they're done proving anything. Quote Link to comment
drmrboi Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Lupit ni Curry kanina Quote Link to comment
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