darksoulriver Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) yung hinihingi ng scenario mo nasagot ba ng mga quotes mung pinaglalagay? "HE felt" syempre wla ba syang pakiramdam na mas pipiliin ng Management si Deron keysa sya? Coach Instinct yun at hindi nya na iintahin na tanggalin sya.... Coach Sloan been in the NBA Finals but twice denied by the BULLS... so cno sa dlawa ang expendables ang Coach o Franchise players pa ng TEAM.... u dont need a genius to know who's gotta go and who will stay.... Edited February 14, 2011 by darksoulriver Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) yung hinihingi ng scenario mo nasagot ba ng mga quotes mung pinaglalagay? "HE felt" syempre wla ba syang pakiramdam na mas pipiliin ng Management si Deron keysa sya? Coach Instinct yun at hindi nya na iintahin na tanggalin sya.... mas mganda yung magretiro na lng. Coach Sloan been in the NBA Finals but twice denied by the BULLS... so cno sa dlawa ang expendables ang Coach o Franchise players pa ng TEAM.... malinaw na malinaw naman na hindi nga pinili o pinapili ang management. nagresign si sloan. even assuming na totoo yung "feeling" ni sloan na mas pinakikinggan ng management si deron sa kanya, hindi pa rin ibig sabihin nun ay pinipili ng management si deron over him. baka naman nagseselos lang si sloan at dahil ang gusto nya, siya lang pagbigyan. besides, wala naman nagsasabi (maliban sa tsismis) na pinapili ang management. uulitin ko lang, WALANG PILIAN ANG NANGYARI. malinaw na sinabi yan ng management, ni sloan at ni deron. so maari nga na nag-resign si sloan dahil "feeling" nya, mas minamahal ng management si d-will sa kanya, pero ganun pa rin, hindi pumili (o pinagpili) ang management between deron and jerry. naintindihan mo na ba??? you dont need to be a genius to understand that there was no choosing that happened. its just a case that deron and jerry cant get along, jerry "felt" that he is not being given the treatment he deserves (assuming that the "source" is correct"), so he resigned. there is nothing difficult to comprehend there. Edited February 14, 2011 by jopoc Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 yung hinihingi ng scenario mo nasagot ba ng mga quotes mung pinaglalagay? "HE felt" syempre wla ba syang pakiramdam na mas pipiliin ng Management si Deron keysa sya? Coach Instinct yun at hindi nya na iintahin na tanggalin sya.... Coach Sloan been in the NBA Finals but twice denied by the BULLS... so cno sa dlawa ang expendables ang Coach o Franchise players pa ng TEAM.... u dont need a genius to know who's gotta go and who will stay.... Can you enlighten me what is the "connect" or logic for stating Coach Sloan has been a 2 time losing finalist in reference to who would be the more expendible one? Are you saying management will always choose the franchise player over the coach lalo na kapag may away between them? Quote Link to comment
howarddeduct Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Tinatapunan na rin ng basura ang Utah Jazz thread. Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Can you enlighten me what is the "connect" or logic for stating Coach Sloan has been a 2 time losing finalist in reference to who would be the more expendible one? Are you saying management will always choose the franchise player over the coach lalo na kapag may away between them? u have a 3^77$ to ask a question! @Jopoc... Sloan signed a 1 year extension then suddenly you resigned in the latter part of regular season? He got the instinct that Deron have the management side and he knows that he's expendables...galing na sa iyo na mas minahal ng management si DERON keysa Coach Sloan... so picking one side from the other side ay hindi ba pagpili yun?the easy way to go out is to resigned and not get fired.... Even Karl Malone knows Coach Jerry well na hindi sya gagawa ng ganung decision... he knows there was pressure within the Management! well kung yun ang definition mo ng hindi pagpili... hands up nako! Edited February 15, 2011 by darksoulriver Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 u have a 3^77$ to ask a question! Ikaw wala kang 3^77$ to answer? Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 ^ gettin into ur nerve? Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 u have a 3^77$ to ask a question! @Jopoc... Sloan signed a 1 year extension then suddenly you resigned in the latter part of regular season? He got the instinct that Deron have the management side and he knows that he's expendables...galing na sa iyo na mas minahal ng management si DERON keysa Coach Sloan... so picking one side from the other side ay hindi ba pagpili yun?the easy way to go out is to resigned and not get fired.... Even Karl Malone knows Coach Jerry well na hindi sya gagawa ng ganung decision... he knows there was pressure within the Management! well kung yun ang definition mo ng hindi pagpili... hands up nako! 1. if sloan resigned, then papaano mo sasabihin na pinili ng management si deron over him? hindi ba dapat kung pinili nila si deron, eh, sinisante nila si sloan? 2. kelan ko sinabi na mas minahal ng management si deron? heto ka nanaman. hindi iniintindi (o talaga lang na hindi maintindihan) ang mga binabasa mo. Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 ^ gettin into ur nerve? Nah ... so parang si Willing-Willie, MERON ba o WALAng connect ang pag lead ni Sloan twice sa Utah sa finals pero on both occation natalo sa BULLS sa sinasabi mong "pagpili" ng management kay Deron over him :lol: Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 gamitin mo ng kunti ang Hypothalamus mo baka makuha mo kung ano ang connection nun... kung ginagamit mo nga! Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 gamitin mo ng kunti ang Hypothalamus mo baka makuha mo kung ano ang connection nun... kung ginagamit mo nga! Kung tatanggalin ng Utah owner si Sloan bec as you said he took the Jazz to 2 finals appearances but lost to the Bulls on both occations, malamang dati pa ginawa ito at hindi na binigyan ng 1 year extention bago nangyari ang "PILIAN" na hindi mo naman maipakitang nangyari talaga. :lol: Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Jazz made 2 NBA Championship appearance at hindi nman naalis sa playoffs ang JAZZ so based on credentials its not easy for the management to fire him kaagad... so again why did they give another 1 year extension? basically the management are trying to works things out between Deron and Coach Jerry..... pero mas lumala lng yung situation... Coach Jerry's instinct, he knows that DERON has the upper hand with the management and bcoz of failures gettin an NBA Championship mas expendibles sya keysa kay DERON.... hindi ito tanong ha at i dont assume u will accept this basta ipasok mo na lng sa katiting mung pag-iisip na mas papayag ba ang management na umalis ang Franchise Player nila o ang Coach, mas mdali bang tanggapin mawalan ng Franchise player o ng isang Coach! Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Jazz made 2 NBA Championship appearance at hindi nman naalis sa playoffs ang JAZZ so based on credentials its not easy for the management to fire him kaagad... so again why did they give another 1 year extension? basically the management are trying to works things out between Deron and Coach Jerry..... pero mas lumala lng yung situation... Coach Jerry's instinct, he knows that DERON has the upper hand with the management and bcoz of failures gettin an NBA Championship mas expendibles sya keysa kay DERON.... hindi ito tanong ha at i dont assume u will accept this basta ipasok mo na lng sa katiting mung pag-iisip na mas papayag ba ang management na umalis ang Franchise Player nila o ang Coach, mas mdali bang tanggapin mawalan ng Franchise player o ng isang Coach! You said based on credentials and track record its not easy for management to fire SLOAN ... PRECISELY my point! That is why I was asking you what does the twice being and losing in the finals got to do on who is the more expendable one. But just after claiming that based on his credentials it will be difficult for management to fire him, you are also saying Sloan instincts tells him because he was not able to get a championship for Utah mas expendible siya kaysa kay Deron. Parang contradicting. Besides, how did you know that Sloan's instinct tells him Deron has the upper hand with Management? You are speculating ... unless there is indeed proof or any statement by Coach himself to this matter. Parang ganito rin un sinabi sa isang article: So with Williams two years away from a decision that could change the direction of the franchise, for the first time ever, it seems like Sloan was lacking leverage in Utah. Most of this is speculation for now, Now you also claimed that the reason the extension was given to Sloan was "basically management is still trying to work things out between Deron and Sloan". Is tendering a contract extension to Sloan the precondition for them to be able to work thinks out? Hindi ba pwedeng pagayusin ang dalawa without a contract extension being given first to Coach? Para mong sinasabing UTAH is giving Coach an extension not because of his abilities and track record but rather as an "incentive" para makipagayos kay Deron DON'T you think it is more costly in the end for the TEAM (UTAH) to extend Sloan's contract hoping magkaayus silang dalawa. In hindsight, we know that hindi talaga magkakasundo si Coach at Deron. And going by your logic na mas pipiliin ng team na mawala si Coach kaysa kay Deron, then UTAH has to pay for at least a buy-out of the contract should Sloan opted not to resign (which he actually can if $$$ lang habol niya at wala siyang pakialam sa pansariling prinsipyo). Samantalang pag walang extension, Utah can just let Sloan walk away without any liabilities at all after the season. Finally you said YOU DON'T ASSUME ... While it happens (teams siding with their franchise player over the coach), you can never be sure that will be the case everytime without speculating. Looking back at ncident involving Spewell and Coach PJ, hindi ba ni-rescind ng Warriors ang contract ni Spre. By doing so they are willing to let go of their franchise player without anything in return. Just so happened nanalo si Spre sa arbitration so na-reinstate un contract niya but he was TRADED. A clear indication that a team can let go of their franchise player if indeed they have to choose between a player and a coach for the right reason. The odds happening may be minimal but it can happen. I think the problem here is you focus more on Deron leaving without compensation for the team. But we all know that he can be traded for at most franchise player as well and it is not as if time is of the essence since hindi pa naman expiring ang contract ni Deron. Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Coach Sloan tried his best by not letting the Jazz out of the playoffs which this is a leverage why he still the Coach plain, simple and why he got an extension. mtagal ng may alitan yung dalawa bago pa yung contract extension which the management knows may remedyo pa sana sa problema ng dalawa...mas clear lng ngayon dahil dati closed door but during the halftime game with Chicago clear na malala na talaga yung problema! yung game nila against Chicago... Deron committed 2 crucial turnovers dhil hindi sinunod yung play ni Coach Jerry the result natalo ang Jazz. that conclude the resignation of Coach Jerry! the contract extension ay problema na ng Jazz management..simple lng eh hindi ka nman gagastos dun! i dont know how did u come up to make the Sprewell an example.... alam mo na hindi pumanig ang management sa kanya ginawa mo pang halimbawa. maganda sana yung kay Ex-Coach Brown at LBJ... Edited February 16, 2011 by darksoulriver Quote Link to comment
Megaeltati Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Coach Sloan tried his best by not letting the Jazz out of the playoffs which this is a leverage why he still the Coach plain, simple and why he got an extension. mtagal ng may alitan yung dalawa bago pa yung contract extension which the management knows may remedyo pa sana sa problema ng dalawa...mas clear lng ngayon dahil dati closed door but during the halftime game with Chicago clear na malala na talaga yung problema! yung game nila against Chicago... Deron committed 2 crucial turnovers dhil hindi sinunod yung play ni Coach Jerry the result natalo ang Jazz. that conclude the resignation of Coach Jerry!the contract extension ay problema na ng Jazz management..simple lng eh hindi ka nman gagastos dun! i dont know how did u come up to make the Sprewell an example.... alam mo na hindi pumanig ang management sa kanya ginawa mo pang halimbawa. maganda sana yung kay Ex-Coach Brown at LBJ... I just wanted to show you that NOT ALL THE TIME ang franchise player ang pinapanigan ng management as you are presenting with your "its does not take a genius to determine" statement. Even a FRANCHISE PLAYER is despensible if the TEAM decides so and it had a precedent already. Alam nating hindi pumanig ang management sa kanya because nangyari na ang away nila and we know how management had decided. Prior to it, alam ba natin na ang papanigan ay si Coach in case magaway sila ng Franchise player? Ikaw na din ang nagsabing mas madaling palitan ang Coach kaysa Franchise Player right so you would never expect this to happen. It is also good to know that you have presented and said that Sloan coaching abilities gave him the leverage for the extension but what an irony when you contradicted yourself by saying Sloan felt he is expendable for not being able to bring a title to Utah. Not to mention how did you know that it was the REAL REASON without SPECULATING NOW, given your statment Now from what you're saying above about what happened in the Chicago game, it could be one of the reason why Sloan resigned BUT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO MANAGEMENT DECIDING TO SIDE WITH DERON NOR WITH LOSING TWICE TO CHICAGO IN THE FINALS as you claimed earlier.I think I made myself VERY CLEAR. Quote Link to comment
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