Nooblet Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Totally disagree with engro when he says that no point n shoot or prosumer can top a dslr.The canon g9 is used as a "digital polaroid" by film photographers after polaroid went kerplunk. The sheer ability of this prosumer "point n shoot" make it worth every cent. You dont see professionals measurbating their equipment, and it means s@%t if you can't produce. Would really love to see the work of some of the more influential posters of this thread Quote Link to comment
SGT_ROCK Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 maski ano clase kamera mo....even a 3.2megapixel cellphone camera if magaling ang kuha at magaling ang post processing...maganda ang resulta.... do not depend much on your tools.....make do with what u have...... ika nga sabi ng master of photography...."wala yan sa pana...nasa indian yan........" Quote Link to comment
chunkyhunk Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Totally disagree with engro when he says that no point n shoot or prosumer can top a dslr.The canon g9 is used as a "digital polaroid" by film photographers after polaroid went kerplunk. The sheer ability of this prosumer "point n shoot" make it worth every cent. You dont see professionals measurbating their equipment, and it means s@%t if you can't produce. Would really love to see the work of some of the more influential posters of this thread maski ano clase kamera mo....even a 3.2megapixel cellphone camera if magaling ang kuha at magaling ang post processing...maganda ang resulta.... do not depend much on your tools.....make do with what u have...... ika nga sabi ng master of photography...."wala yan sa pana...nasa indian yan........" Hence my point that newbies and hobbyists to start with a good prosumer FIRST that will enable them to LEARN the subtle intricacies of photography. I have had a 2.0 and 4.0 MP camera and a table lamp that gave me good shots (resolutions the main problem). Now that I got a "mid-range" prosumer, I'm struggling with the settings. What more a full-pledge dSLR? Then again, if you've got money to burn, there's no stopping anyone from getting the top-of-the-line models, just to show off... Quote Link to comment
Nooblet Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 It shouldnt boil down to money if it's a hobby you enjoy. Not sure how things work here, but a lotta people do seem to enjoy bragging. No offense meants, but I dont get what settings you could be struggling with, photography is as easy as 1-2-3 when you claim to have been shooting for such a long time Quote Link to comment
chunkyhunk Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) It shouldnt boil down to money if it's a hobby you enjoy. Not sure how things work here, but a lotta people do seem to enjoy bragging. Some do. Hence My advice for hobbyists to GET the basics first. No offense meants, but I dont get what settings you could be struggling with, photography is as easy as 1-2-3 when you claim to have been shooting for such a long time It is, but it's kind of different migrating from film to point-and-shoot to a prosumer one with LOTS of settings. My shots have become more unpredictable, since what I see on the LCD is not what comes out on the photo. I was more comfortable using the viewfinder, as I have when I was still using film, and what I see in the frame is what actually comes out. You see, I like experimenting with single light source photography. Light and shadow, kind of effect. I'm "stuggling" more on what settings I can use for a certain kind of shot, since with more controls, I get more options. With more options, I get to experiment more. Till there is no end... I tend to be OC when it comes to that, leaving me with nothing done on the onset. get it now? Edited July 27, 2008 by chunkyhunk Quote Link to comment
engronairam Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 prosumer = most of the time slr like with manula controls. looks more pro than ordinary PnS.take note: even the best prosumer or slr-like digicam is no match for consumer level dslr.Totally disagree with engro when he says that no point n shoot or prosumer can top a dslr.The canon g9 is used as a "digital polaroid" by film photographers after polaroid went kerplunk. The sheer ability of this prosumer "point n shoot" make it worth every cent. You dont see professionals measurbating their equipment, and it means s@%t if you can't produce. Would really love to see the work of some of the more influential posters of this thread your right, in a way... given good lighting & and static subjects, even cam phones can take good images. G9 is a good cam, but not enough for my shooting needs. i shoot mostly fast actions during night. i said that coz i use to have G9. i wont even trade 300D kit for it. i'll give you an example http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_g9-review/nightshot-crop.jpgG9 iso 80 http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/digital_rebel_xti-review/nightshot1600-crop.jpg400D iso1600 http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_40d-review/nightshot3200-crop.jpg40D iso3200 the lowest iso of G9(80) is more or less better than the highest iso of 400D & 40D. thats unacceptable for me. not to mention its 1.4fps, it wont even beat the lowly 2.5fps of 300D. what more for the 6.5fps of 40D? (we're only talking about gears, not the ability of the photographer to take good pictures) Quote Link to comment
Nooblet Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 @chunky, Film or digital, it's always about ISO (Film Speed), Aperture, and Shutter Speed on the camera end. @engronairam, A tad unfair comparing iso 80 to iso3200 now huh? They both serve different purposes really. Quote Link to comment
chunkyhunk Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 @chunky, Film or digital, it's always about ISO (Film Speed), Aperture, and Shutter Speed on the camera end. Yes, that's the one I am "struggling with," Since I stopped using "settings" when I started using PnS cameras. Let's just say that my new prosumer feels like a "second" baby; it's a baby, but it's still a different baby... Quote Link to comment
pussywagon Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) hey guys, are there newbies here who would like to learn more about photography?pls. click on this link: http://manilatonight.com/index.php?showtopic=43870i'll be conducting a lecture in two weeks. photoshop and lighting techniques will be covered, and i'll be sharing what i've learned from my mentors. PM nalang. thanks. Edited July 28, 2008 by pussywagon Quote Link to comment
engronairam Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 @engronairam, A tad unfair comparing iso 80 to iso3200 now huh? They both serve different purposes really. i know! i deliberately post that to show that the best iso of G9 is comparable more or less to the worst iso of dslr.then, ill post both worst iso performance. http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_g9-review/nightshot1600-crop.jpgG9 iso 1600http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_40d-review/nightshot1600-crop.jpg40D iso 1600 if iso noise, shooting speed, & image quality of G9 is enough for you, then go for it. for my needs, its unacceptable. Quote Link to comment
Nooblet Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 the best of G9 is comparable to the worse of a dslr? I dont know what you're on buddy or if you had a lemon of a G9, but it smokes a lotta DSLRs Just curious, what do you shoot? (Your specific field of photography) Quote Link to comment
engronairam Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) cant you differentiate the iso shots i posted? thats the best iso of G9 and the worst iso of 40D.if its not enough for you, heres another iso100 &1600 for both G9 & 40D.(click the image to enlarge & compare the crayola area) i shoot night events, specifically concerts. i crank up iso to 1600. i also shoot street candid. i have nothing gainst G9, its just that it doesnt meet my needs. i attached 2 sample shots taken at iso1000 by 40D The pics you posted have been deleted except for the last two. The size limit for pictures posted on this board is 640 x 480 pixels. The pics you posted were 4000x3000 pixels. Resize and repost those pictures; posting pictures that are overly large slows the loading of thread pages. Edited July 30, 2008 by Wyld Quote Link to comment
Nooblet Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 we've both proven our point. Notice that the G9 image, at iso100 is clean for many applicationsthe event photos you posted have been resized and the noise is obviously not as visible. But hey, I get what youre saying and do agree that if you cram all those megapixels onto a tiny sensor, you're bound to have noise. Quote Link to comment
engronairam Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 we'll, it just boils down to your application & personal preference. again, i really have nothing against G9, i also want to have one for normal usage. but cant buy at the moment coz im saving for a certain lens to use on the upcoming Singapore Formula1 Grand Prix. :cry: Quote Link to comment
dos8dos Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 basta simple lang masasabi ko about photographic gears, if you have gone black youll never go back Quote Link to comment
Phrozhen.Khold Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 basta simple lang masasabi ko about photographic gears, if you have gone black youll never go back You painted yours black? Quote Link to comment
mystiquegirl999 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 i've been having fun with my dslr for about 4 years now. photography gives me a different high! it's so fulfilling and enjoyable. i also get to meet a lot of new friends! never mind the cost..hahaha at least i really really enjoy this hobby Quote Link to comment
dos8dos Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 You painted yours black? black simply refers to the common color of a SLR body Quote Link to comment
engronairam Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 i've been having fun with my dslr for about 4 years now. photography gives me a different high! it's so fulfilling and enjoyable. i also get to meet a lot of new friends! never mind the cost..hahaha at least i really really enjoy this hobby may i ask, what dslr & lens you got? Quote Link to comment
Phrozhen.Khold Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 i've been having fun with my dslr for about 4 years now. photography gives me a different high! it's so fulfilling and enjoyable. i also get to meet a lot of new friends! never mind the cost..hahaha at least i really really enjoy this hobby Coz my dear... photography is visual orgasm Quote Link to comment
xwhiteshadowz Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Coz my dear... photography is visual orgasm ohh i loves orgasms....photographic that is.... :upside: Quote Link to comment
Shiki Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Sa simula lang naman magastos ang photography. Take good care of your gear and lenses will last you more than a decade Bodies may come and go, but lenses are forever. Quote Link to comment
xwhiteshadowz Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 i just sure hope that i could get me a good dslr hehe.. yearning for months but the budget is quite short hehe.. tiyaga muna sa fe10 hehehe Quote Link to comment
Shiki Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 How about going second hand? Madaming nag p-post ng 2nd hand dslr sa phphoto na yahoo groups. Mas mura dun kesa sa mga store mismo. If you want brand new, medyo mura at comparable sa hidalgo ang prices, you can try jtphoto sa makati. Eto yung website nila: http://www.dponline.com.ph/ Quote Link to comment
xwhiteshadowz Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 wow appreciated your post sir shiki...im happy with the old cam as of now...then ill just get a good dslr when my wallet give me a go signal Quote Link to comment
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