smart-ass Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Wow,it really will take years noh? I think you were referring to the Wudan mountain training sanctuary in middle china. well as long as there are E-books of Dimak training, i guess it would be fine. You really wouldnt believe how much information you could find in the net, all it depends is how you use your knowledge. believe me sir... you can NEVER LEARN DIM MAK from a book....most of the time... what theywrote in those books are exactly the opposite of what you are suppose to do...SADYANG MINAMALIintentionally misleading you...and if they do tell you correctly the proper things to do...some of the more important instructions are omitted...you might end up hurting your self...The Wudan feature in NGMag...is a western eyeview of that style of chinese martial arts...MABABAW NA PAG-UNAWA...YOU CAN NEVER QUANTIFY THINGS LIKE SENSITIVITY...OR "CHI' OR WHAT IS REFER TO AS INTRINSIC ENERGY...PLEASE LEARN FROM A QUALIFIEDINSTRUCTOR IF YOU FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND ONE... PCENSYA NA...VERY FEW ARE LEFT... Quote Link to comment
Boysbe Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 believe me sir... you can NEVER LEARN DIM MAK from a book....most of the time... what theywrote in those books are exactly the opposite of what you are suppose to do...SADYANG MINAMALIintentionally misleading you...and if they do tell you correctly the proper things to do...some of the more important instructions are omitted...you might end up hurting your self...The Wudan feature in NGMag...is a western eyeview of that style of chinese martial arts...MABABAW NA PAG-UNAWA...YOU CAN NEVER QUANTIFY THINGS LIKE SENSITIVITY...OR "CHI' OR WHAT IS REFER TO AS INTRINSIC ENERGY...PLEASE LEARN FROM A QUALIFIEDINSTRUCTOR IF YOU FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND ONE... PCENSYA NA...VERY FEW ARE LEFT... Thank you po for the rather convincing post, Yet the meaning of how Martial arts is performed differs in every person and his aspect in life. Is it not that the true purpose of the meaning of Martial arts is to protect, and or to find ones center and peace. I try to use the aspects of this coarses in order to improve and find peace in myself and not to cause harm. I also want to learn this because the true master is all but within us. The true test of any martial arts is power, speed, and control as well as the center, "hit hard, hit fast, hit with control" the true aspect of Ninjutsu was mislead because the keepers of knowledge has different teachings through time because of the different idiologies surrounding any type of Martial arts,thus it is already mislead us from the very beginning, it is up to the student to find the meaning of it all. Dim mak and Ninjitsu is an old craft, and so I dont think that there are still true masters out there. The fact of the matter is I already had tried taekwondo,Karate,gymwork, and arnis,and with that i can honestly say that power isnt always everything, these 2 techniques utilizes what other arts could not, true balance of the 3 fundamentals of Martial arts and not through sheer balance and bulk strength, it is perfect for the persons who couldnt protect themselves and has no power to do so. Is it not the teaching of the arm forms in martial arts? Key of center and peace? The true master is within us, yet because the there is no guidance, it may rather take a long time to master. Wudan has also a sense of that, true peace in which we can draw power from, because without peace, anger cannot achieve anything. So thank you sir for your concern, and I hope that many others would understand the deeper meaning of the Martial arts.Thank you so much Sir for your concern.. Quote Link to comment
MiG-29C Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 just a question here ...my little bro is choosing between traditional aikido or arnis de mano of presas...what's your opinion about this? where will you train... ***Reply: While I don't consider myself a martial artist, I humbly suggest that you choose the discipline that will suite your lifestyle. It's nice to learn by starting first with the art of fighting with bare hands, unarmed. Arnis is useful but the thing is, you don't carry a stick with you all the time. You'll never know, one day you're at a mall and suddenly you find yourself alone in some dark alley on your way home and 2-3 gangbangers are about to bash your head. What will you do? You don't have the sticks with you? To my way of thinking, I guess it's a good idea to master the basics first. Learning to use various weapons will come at the right time. Choose a martial art that suits your lifestyle. No martial art is superior over the other. It's the man, the mind and the heart that makes a particular discipline or style effective. The weapon is just an instrument. Peace! Quote Link to comment
smart-ass Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 ***Reply: While I don't consider myself a martial artist, I humbly suggest that you choose the discipline that will suite your lifestyle. It's nice to learn by starting first with the art of fighting with bare hands, unarmed. Arnis is useful but the thing is, you don't carry a stick with you all the time. You'll never know, one day you're at a mall and suddenly you find yourself alone in some dark alley on your way home and 2-3 gangbangers are about to bash your head. What will you do? You don't have the sticks with you? To my way of thinking, I guess it's a good idea to master the basics first. Learning to use various weapons will come at the right time. Choose a martial art that suits your lifestyle. No martial art is superior over the other. It's the man, the mind and the heart that makes a particular discipline or style effective. The weapon is just an instrument. Peace! Arnis???.... only when you have your sticks with you...??? Arnis... does find translation into empty hands...or as you refer to it... unarmed combat...Didn't you watched bourne identity.??? and its sequel??? or The Hunted???those movies featured the unarmed aspect of arnis.. or Kali.. aikido...all their movements are predicated on the sword or to be more specific ... the katana... training with weapons does put your unarmed training on hyperdrive... Quote Link to comment
MiG-29C Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Arnis???.... only when you have your sticks with you...??? Arnis... does find translation into empty hands...or as you refer to it... unarmed combat...Didn't you watched bourne identity.??? and its sequel??? or The Hunted???those movies featured the unarmed aspect of arnis.. or Kali.. ***Reply: Yeah, I saw the movie on DVD. Astig nga eh. I checked out the special features menu on the DVD and I found out this simple but deadly martial arts traces its roots here in the Philippines. What makes it interesting is the fact that its moves are uncomplicated. KISS Principle kumbaga, and you can use practically anything available under your disposal as a weapon - even a mere ballpen. This approach makes sense, especially nowadays that we live in a civilization governed by laws, regulations. Carrying knives or the like might get you in trouble with the cops, and not everyone could afford owning a licensed firearm. Kali provides a good alternative. Quote Link to comment
smart-ass Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 ***Reply: Yeah, I saw the movie on DVD. Astig nga eh. I checked out the special features menu on the DVD and I found out this simple but deadly martial arts traces its roots here in the Philippines. What makes it interesting is the fact that its moves are uncomplicated. KISS Principle kumbaga, and you can use practically anything available under your disposal as a weapon - even a mere ballpen. This approach makes sense, especially nowadays that we live in a civilization governed by laws, regulations. Carrying knives or the like might get you in trouble with the cops, and not everyone could afford owning a licensed firearm. Kali provides a good alternative. the underlying rule when it comes to kali, arnis or escrima... ( same banana... iba-iba lang ang tawag ) or FMA...Filipino Martial Arts... is... YOU ONLY USE YOUR BARE HANDS WHEN YOU CANNOT GROPE FOR ANY WEAPON...IMPROVISED OR NOT...WHICH MAKES PERFECT SENSE..ALWAYS OPT FOR AN ADVANTAGE... MAGULANG TALAGAANG PINOY KAHIT SA AWAY... Quote Link to comment
pogingpogi Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 is arnis also teaches mano mano ( empty hand combat?) Watch out for ACA2006...... Quote Link to comment
leloup Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 While I don't consider myself a martial artist, I humbly suggest that you choose the discipline that will suite your lifestyle. It's nice to learn by starting first with the art of fighting with bare hands, unarmed. Arnis is useful but the thing is, you don't carry a stick with you all the time. You'll never know, one day you're at a mall and suddenly you find yourself alone in some dark alley on your way home and 2-3 gangbangers are about to bash your head. What will you do? You don't have the sticks with you? It is a common misconception that Arnis or Kali is only good when you have a stick or a knife, a misconception common to those who do not practice the art. These two FMA does have empty hands conversion that enables its practitioners to fight even without holding a weapon. Most of the street fights or attacks done in the street are either multiple and armed. And most of the Kali and Arnis system trains for these kind of situations. They train weapons first then if you advances, you are taught how to fight empty hands. The reason is simple, if you know how a weapon moves and its trajectory, then you will know how to defend against it. For example, if an attacker holds a knife like he is holding an ice pick or when he is holding a knife like when one is cutting onions, you would know what will be the trajectory of the knife, thus make the necessary actions based on the situation. We, Pinoys have the best weapons system in the world, that even the US Marines have included Pekiti Tirsia Kali in their training. Ask Pinoys in the US how big FMA is and you will be surprised. It is sad that FMA is not as popular in its country of origin. By the way, the FMA featured in Bourne Identity and The Hunted is Sayoc Kali. Chris Sayoc, the head of the school, unfortunately is based in the US and doesn't have any school here. They have a practitioner in Cavite but my contacts told me that his techniques are no way comparable to the original Sayoc Kali. Quote Link to comment
smart-ass Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 SAYOC KALI is Tuhon chris sayoc interpretation of Pekiti-tirsia...plus some of hisown...In most of the demonstrations in the US ... during Filipino community events/happenings..Chris sayoc was the partner of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje... of Pekiti-tirsia.. maybe due to someadministrative reasons.. they had a falling out...so Chris sayoc made it out on his own...Cavite maybe his home province.... but he learned his art.. in the US..under Leo Gaje....Both arts are just as lethal... Quote Link to comment
Plakat Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Same here please don't call me sir lol ok about Muai Thai in Parañaque and Alabang, I'm interested to see how they practice and might join them too. Also you guys are mentioning Presas, please verify if this is Remy Presas Jr., I know this guy and he's a good guy I met him back in 1994 he used to teach me Arnis (but only for 4 weeks) sabi ko mas masarap uminom kaysa mag Arnis lol.... I don't know if he is still teaching in Lyceum, any info about him will be appreciated, I need to visit the guy I haven't seen him since 1996. Quote Link to comment
smart-ass Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Same here please don't call me sir lol ok about Muai Thai in Parañaque and Alabang, I'm interested to see how they practice and might join them too. Also you guys are mentioning Presas, please verify if this is Remy Presas Jr., I know this guy and he's a good guy I met him back in 1994 he used to teach me Arnis (but only for 4 weeks) sabi ko mas masarap uminom kaysa mag Arnis lol.... I don't know if he is still teaching in Lyceum, any info about him will be appreciated, I need to visit the guy I haven't seen him since 1996. Hindi po... I was refering to GM Ernesto Presas... brother of the late GM Remy Presas...his uncle ..if i am not mistaken...try visiting www.fma.org... they have quite an extnsive networking of info on who'swho in the fma world sa 'pinas... hope it helps.. Quote Link to comment
Sequenenre Tao Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 me pekiti tirsia gyms po dito sa manila? Quote Link to comment
smart-ass Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 me pekiti tirsia gyms po dito sa manila? try www.manilapitbulls.com.....pekiti-tirsia if i am not mistaken has a gym in whiteplains quezon city... near camp aguinaldo...do hope i've been of help... Quote Link to comment
Plakat Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Hindi po... I was refering to GM Ernesto Presas... brother of the late GM Remy Presas...his uncle ..if i am not mistaken...try visiting www.fma.org... they have quite an extnsive networking of info on who'swho in the fma world sa 'pinas... hope it helps.. Oh I see thanks man and happy holidays to you and to yours Quote Link to comment
leloup Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I would like to invite everyone to watch "Fighting Challenge 7"When: Jan 13, 2007 Venue: Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati Gym, Yague St. cor. Chino Roces Ave. Makati City (Near Phil. Daily Inquirer) Fighting Challenge is a striking and MMA competition. Tickets is Php100.00 only. Call Yaw-yan Makati at 870-4750. FIGHTING CHALLENGE 7 MMA 1. JET "OKINJA CORPUZ VS. BENITI JAMON Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati) ( The Pride of Yaw-Yan Extreme 2. CHARLES "YAWSA" DIAO VS. OLIVER "THE BOMB" BAGAY Free Style Fighting) ( The Pride of Karate) 3. MICHAEL VERSAGA VS. RONILO ANUNCIO Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati ) ( The Pride of Yaw-Yan Extreme 4,. BON BAUTISTA VS. ANGELO CRISTI Yaw-Yan Buno )( Yaw-Yan Extreme "YAW-YAN STAND UP" 4. ZAIDE LARUAN VS. AURIC DELACRUZ Top Fighter from Yaw-Yan Ardigma ) (Auric Lanna Boxing Thailand Ksatriyan) 5. SANTOS CALALANOY VS. LIBREA PAOLO Yaw-Yan ArDigma Ksatriyan ) ( Yaw-Yan Cavite 6. RENANTE "LIMBAS" NOBLEFRANCA VS. RAFAEL LUIS QUIAPON Yaw-Yan Ardigma Makati ) ( Yaw-Yan Evolution 7. DANILO "ALASAN" TUDTUD VS. HENRY HARE Yaw-Yan Ardigma MAkati )( Yaw-Yan Cavite 8. MICHAEL "BUHAWI" DUNCAN VS. MELVIN MONILLA Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati )( Muaythai Quezon City 9. JAY-AR "MATADOR" VILLAGRACIA VS. RICHARD "PUNCHER" SABRINE Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati )( The Pride of Explosure Gym 10. BILLY "TIRADOR" JARESCO VS. ALVIN "CUTE" RAMIREZ Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati )( Yaw-Yan Evolution 11. JORDAN "LABUYO" BALCITA VS. MARK "BABYFACE" DIALOGO Yaw-Yan ArDigma Makati )( Kickboxing Quezon City Quote Link to comment
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