Linux Anybody?

[allenseb]

Tried Mandrake a couple of years ago, dual boot XP and linux. Wanted to make it my main OS, pero mabagal sa PC ko noon -- pIII-500, 128mb ram, p3bf board -- mas mabagal kesa Win XP, so it didn't work out. I'm planning to install Linux again now that I have a much improved PC, but sadly, I won't be able to do away with Windows because I use Visual Studio .NET.

[mikhailberis]

Tried Mandrake a couple of years ago, dual boot XP and linux. Wanted to make it my main OS, pero mabagal sa PC ko noon -- pIII-500, 128mb ram, p3bf board -- mas mabagal kesa Win XP, so it didn't work out. I'm planning to install Linux again now that I have a much improved PC, but sadly, I won't be able to do away with Windows because I use Visual Studio .NET.

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I tried Mandrake 8.0 (bought the boxed set) and installed it on my PIII-500 based PC too, and it was a hassle. I never really liked Mandrake, and eventually I reverted to Slackware nalang. I felt the big performance difference because of the minimalistic approach that Slackware brings to the table. It felt (and up to now still does feel) very fast compared to Mandrake, but I'm sure it was because Mandrake came with more bells and whistles running at the background -- and a lot of applications running in KDE.

 

I'm sorry about you being trapped with Visual Studio .NET -- are you doing this for work or just because you need an IDE? Kung IDE lang gusto mo, maraming open source na pwede ipalit sa Studio .NET. Pero kung trabaho, wala tayo magagawa dyan.

[Aaaa100000]

tried to use a red hat linux b4.. may installer pa nga ako...

 

kaso.. gusto ko sanang ilagay, kaso parang nakakatkot mag install na meron kang exsisting na

windows na os.. parang mapapatungan eh,

[mikhailberis]

tried to use a red hat linux b4.. may installer pa nga ako...

 

kaso.. gusto ko sanang ilagay, kaso parang nakakatkot mag install na meron kang exsisting na

windows na os.. parang mapapatungan eh,

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Ang alam ko kasi kung wala kang extra partition, talagang mapapatungan yung current OS mo. If you have a spare partition, make sure you BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST before you do something potentially damaging like installing RedHat.

 

If you just want to try it out, you can try using a "live cd" which will boot into Linux -- pwede mo paglaruan muna yun, and pag confident ka na sa Linux, you can then try installing your distro of choice (or kahit hindi na, oks lang). Live cd's out there are knoppix, morphix, ubuntu, and yung slack live. Hindi na kailangan maginstall, makakapaglinux ka na off the CD.

 

And if in case you decide that you really want to install linux on your computer, make partitions for Linux (isang swap na 2x nung memory mo, and isang at least 3G para sa filesystem ng Linux) using Parition Magic, or other tools that will allow you to preserve your data while modifying the partition tables. Hindi lang ako familiar kung anuano yung mga tools na yan sa Windows, pero Parition Magic yung ginamit ko dati nung nakawindows pa ako at naginstall ako ng Linux sa spare partition.

 

HTH! CHill...

[boyGenius]

I also tried Mandrake. Sure it's easy to install but I think it's too much bloated like Windows. It doesn't feel like your usring a Linux. If you really want to study Linux by heart Slackware is the best in my opinion. It offers the simplest package yet powerful set for a Linux Distro. Maybe because you are always in control. Same is true for Debian but it's not recommended for Beginners.

 

For me RedHat offers the best balance in flexibility and ease of use. For a corporate environment definitely Redhat has the upper hand. It think the best alternative is SuSe/Novell. Maybe for some user it's the other way around (SuSe then Redhat) especially Europeans.

 

If you want to challenge yourself try the Linux from Scratch. Or the Core Linux project available from SourceForge. You may want to create your own distribution by starting on these two distro.

[allenseb]

I also tried Mandrake. Sure it's easy to install but I think it's too much bloated like Windows. It doesn't feel like your usring a Linux. If you really want to study Linux by heart Slackware is the best in my opinion. It offers the simplest package yet powerful set for a Linux Distro. Maybe because you are always in control. Same is true for Debian but it's not recommended for Beginners.

 

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Is Slackware diffucult to install? compared to Mandrake? Is it a basic linux distro with few software bundled? Gusto ko sana yung meron nang firefox, open office, php, mysql, and a good media player.

[mikhailberis]

For me RedHat offers the best balance in flexibility and ease of use. For a corporate environment definitely Redhat has the upper hand. It think the best alternative is SuSe/Novell. Maybe for some user it's the other way around (SuSe then Redhat) especially Europeans.

 

If you want to challenge yourself try the Linux from Scratch. Or the Core Linux project available from SourceForge. You may want to create your own distribution by starting on these two distro.

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I personally think that in enterprise setups, SuSe/Novell is a better setup. However, even in enterprise setups where cost is a big factor, I would rather use Debian for ease of administration and superb package management. Apt is a very nice tool indeed -- although there are things now like yum and apt-rpm that allow the package management experience found in Debian systems to be accessed and harnessed by RedHat users.

 

I agree with the challenge part, if you really want to get to know how them distro's work. LFS is definitely a tease, although I never really got to actually getting one up and running by myself. :cool:

[mikhailberis]

Is Slackware diffucult to install? compared to Mandrake? Is it a basic linux distro with few software bundled? Gusto ko sana yung meron nang firefox, open office, php, mysql, and a good media player.

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Try getting your hands on Ubuntu. It's definitely what you'd want to try using based on what you want to do. Slackware is a bit too hands-on for normal users who want to enjoy their computers most of the time.

[tikbobolan]

I wouldn't say exepert ako, may mas expert pa sakin dito -- like Google, and the others. As for the software you're looking for:

 

Power DVD -- mas maganda pa (IMHO) Mplayer tsaka Xine

MS Office -- OpenOffice.org 1.1+ (more features than MS Office in fact)

Musicmatch -- (encoder) andami, take your pic: cdparanoia+lame, cdparanoia+flac, tapos mga frontends na naka-dikit sa kanil usually are: gripper, etc.

MP3 player -- XMMS, pwede rin mplayer/xine

<a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=dvd%20writer" onmouseover="window.status='dvd writer'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">dvd writer</a>/ripper such as nero -- K3b (IMHO, mas maganda pa itsura at friendly to Nero users talaga).

 

WINE sucks -- pero biased to dahil I never really liked the idea of running <a  style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=windows%20software" onmouseover="window.status='windows software'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">windows software</a> on Linux. It's complicated if you try to go through the DIY of making WINE run from code, pero if you pay the makers nung WINE, they'd gladly give you a package na you can install and run away with.

 

HTH

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thanks for replying. i'll give it a try pag nakabili n ko ng bagong pc. thanks. ulit.

[hitman531ph]

I used to have an office PC using Linux. It works just as well as XP or Win 98. Although you have to keep in mind that many are still using Win 98 or XP... that's because sxc and sxw are the formats used in word processing and worksheets, respectively. You must make sure that the document or worksheet is saved as doc or xls if you are e-mailing it to a user who is still in Win 98 or XP.

 

The Linux i used then was Mandrake. Mozilla Firebird is the browser of choice for internet. The fonts of MTC and other sites are different too...And i have difficulty in Yahoo Mail as the fonts and other clickables are messed up...And i have to agree that the YM for Linux is boring compared to XP...

 

Later on, my desktop PC was taken from me and replaced by a laptop... (which is why i have no excuse to say 'i can't finish it today')...

 

My laptop uses XP... There was an attempt to install Mandrake Linux to my laptop but the speed of the laptop painfully slowed down like it was an XT PC back in the 80s... They removed it and reverted to XP for the laptop i use now

[mikhailberis]

thanks for replying. i'll give it a try pag nakabili n ko ng bagong pc. thanks. ulit.

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no problem. enjoy!

[boyGenius]

I personally think that in enterprise setups, SuSe/Novell is a better setup. However, even in enterprise setups where cost is a big factor, I would rather use Debian for ease of administration and superb package management. Apt is a very nice tool indeed -- although there are things now like yum and apt-rpm that allow the package management experience found in Debian systems to be accessed and harnessed by RedHat users.

 

I agree with the challenge part, if you really want to get to know how them distro's work. LFS is definitely a tease, although I never really got to actually getting one up and running by myself.  :cool:

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I tried LFS, it's really painful but rewarding. I got the very sense of free software. I'm working with a Suse setup right now. As for package managers, I don't really become comfortable with it. I still want to install software from the source code to give me the most flexibility and control. The downside is you must spend a lot of time studying each package you install and you must have discipline for writing a documentation.

 

Another upside of installing software from the source is you don't have to worry about what distribution you use. Over time, you can hardly recognize the distribution you use to build a system using source to install package. Like what I always do, I install a minimal setup from a distribution, then install only packages I need from source.

[boyGenius]

Is Slackware diffucult to install? compared to Mandrake? Is it a basic linux distro with few software bundled? Gusto ko sana yung meron nang firefox, open office, php, mysql, and a good media player.

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If you have tried other distro, I think you won't be getting a hard time with Slackware. If you are a total newbie then I guess it's difficult. Same goes with other distro. I remember the first time I attempted to install RedHat 6.2. I never got it to work the first time. But I never give up, took time reading install-guides until I got it working.

 

If I were you don't be afraid to try any distribution. Am pretty sure regardless of distro Linux is much easier to install nowadays compare to what it was 5 years ago. I heard nightmare stories about installing a RedHat 5.2 distibution.

 

Luckily I don't have to go thru that.

[mikhailberis]

Another upside of installing software from the source is you don't have to worry about what distribution you use. Over time, you can hardly recognize the distribution you use to build a system using source to install package. Like what I always do, I install a minimal setup from a distribution, then install only packages I need from source.

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Then you might be thrilled with the idea that EVERYTHING is installed from source when you use Gentoo. It has a very different approach to package management going the way of the ports system used by BSD's. Though installing Gentoo usually takes from a couple of days to a couple of WEEKS depending on your hardware and internet bandwidth to spare.

 

I used to do this (install from source) a lot in Slackware, and used the pkg-tools to create my own slack-paks to be installed into and uninstalled from my box with ease. Although it takes a lot of kung-fu sometimes (editing Makefiles, writing docs, checking if the scripts do the right "fu") it's definitely worth it.

[allenseb]

Try getting your hands on Ubuntu. It's definitely what you'd want to try using based on what you want to do. Slackware is a bit too hands-on for normal users who want to enjoy their computers most of the time.

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Thanks. Mukang matunog nga ang Ubuntu ngayon. Hope it's faster than Mandrake.