luol_deng Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Pacquiao the all time greatest? hmm let me ponder on that...but im very happy he will be in Fight Night Round 2 i was angry when he wasnt on Fight Night 04. Pacquiao VS Ali man i cant wait!! ahaha i bet Ali using Trinidad once... Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 He is probably the greatest Filipino boxer....sana lang his success wont get into his head and think that he can beat every fighter that comes his way.... Quote Link to comment
clayman688 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 he makes us proud as pinoys. Quote Link to comment
kapitan jackal Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 tingin ko nga. nalagpasan na nya si flash elorde Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Hopefully he can make it against El Terible, but with his confidence I don't think he'll have a hard time at it. JMM and MAB don't seem too eager in facing him again, and I think Erik Morales will realize the same after their fight. Quote Link to comment
brawler201 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 To me, the Greatest Filipino Boxers of all time arePancho Villa & Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Only time will tell if Pacman would measure up to these Giants. Rolando Navarrette and Espinosa just faded away...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Navarette never lived up to his promise and expectation. He drank and partied away his talents. I don't think Espinosa faded in the same manner as the Bad Boy. King Louie was a two time champion, from 1989-91 as the WBA Jr. Bantamweight king and in 1995-98 as the WBC Featherweight champ. He made 14 championship appearances and defended his bantamweight crown two times and his featherweight crown seven times. He has already been cited in a number of publications as one of the top 3 Filipino Boxers of all time behind Pancho Villa and the Flash. Ring magazine came out with a book on the 100 greatest boxers of the 20th century afew years back and it included only 9 Asians, 2 Japanese including Fighting Harada, 2 Thais , South Koreans, the Flash Pancho Villa and King Louie. Its just unfortunate that he wasn't managed properly. He could have won at least three titles in different weight classes ( bantamweight, jr. featherweight, featherweight and even jr. lightweight) if somebody handled his career better. Still he made an outstanding run as a featherweight which is the same division where Pacquiao is currently king and demanding big money for big fights against a slew of marquee opponents. It was just doubly unfortunate for Luisito that the division didn't have big names to draw the same interest and more importantly the same money that it is enjoying now. Espinosa fought the best of the featherweights and he stopped them all. Well at least those who had enough guts to face him: Manuel Medina, twice during his prime, Alejandro "Cobrita" Gonzales, Cesar Sotto, Carlos Rios and Kenedy Mckinney. He clinically devastated Sotto during their Manila Bay encounter that WBC President Sulaiman later declared that he will distribute copies of the fight to any boxer aspiring to become a world champion and tell them that this is how a boxer should fight at the highest levels. Alas, Louie became a victim of the dirty politics of boxing. He never got his big money fight. His only chance was with boxing's clown Prince Naseem Hamed but he wasn't to keen to fight King Louie. Instead of meeting up with our WBC champ to unify the featherweights, Naseem offered Louie a US$ 1M - 6 fight deal over three years to culminate with their showdown. Of course Louie and his handlers scoffed at the offer thinking at that time, which made a lot of sense then, that they can get better big money fights on their own and if they do sign p and fight Hamed three years down the road, Louie would an old man and easy cannon fodder for Hamed. They should have taken the money. What followed was a downhill spiral with Louie demanding out from his contract with America Presents which gamely granted it to him on the condition that they promote one last title fight. Which turned out to be a rematch with Cesar Sotto in Albaquerque New Mexico. Never mind that Louie fought the fight of his life, made Sotto a punching bag for 12 rounds and making their earlier match seem like a stroll in the park. Louie had no chance from the time the fighters were introduced. Everything was done in Spanish and all the judges were hispanic. What a hatchet job. You knew he was screwed when the announcer was declaring the winner: "EL NUEVO KAMPEON DEL MUNDO....". He never recovered from that. Left on his own in the US, he had to work as a bartender to make ends meet while trying to salvage his boxing career. Sayang talaga. He still had a lot after the Sotto and could have come back properly against Guty Espadas, Jr. if he had the right people with him. But nonetheless, his latter futility in his career will not diminish the greatness that he has displayed when he was still King. I'm sure his place in boxing is already secured. Quote Link to comment
brawler201 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 To me, the Greatest Filipino Boxers of all time arePancho Villa & Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Only time will tell if Pacman would measure up to these Giants. Rolando Navarrette and Espinosa just faded away...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Navarette never lived up to his promise and expectation. He drank and partied away his talents. I don't think Espinosa faded in the same manner as the Bad Boy. King Louie was a two time champion, from 1989-91 as the WBA Jr. Bantamweight king and in 1995-98 as the WBC Featherweight champ. He made 14 championship appearances and defended his bantamweight crown two times and his featherweight crown seven times. He has already been cited in a number of publications as one of the top 3 Filipino Boxers of all time behind Pancho Villa and the Flash. Ring magazine came out with a book on the 100 greatest boxers of the 20th century afew years back and it included only 9 Asians, 2 Japanese including Fighting Harada, 2 Thais , South Koreans, the Flash Pancho Villa and King Louie. Its just unfortunate that he wasn't managed properly. He could have won at least three titles in different weight classes ( bantamweight, jr. featherweight, featherweight and even jr. lightweight) if somebody handled his career better. Still he made an outstanding run as a featherweight which is the same division where Pacquiao is currently king and demanding big money for big fights against a slew of marquee opponents. It was just doubly unfortunate for Luisito that the division didn't have big names to draw the same interest and more importantly the same money that it is enjoying now. Espinosa fought the best of the featherweights and he stopped them all. Well at least those who had enough guts to face him: Manuel Medina, twice during his prime, Alejandro "Cobrita" Gonzales, Cesar Sotto, Carlos Rios and Kenedy Mckinney. He clinically devastated Sotto during their Manila Bay encounter that WBC President Sulaiman later declared that he will distribute copies of the fight to any boxer aspiring to become a world champion and tell them that this is how a boxer should fight at the highest levels. Alas, Louie became a victim of the dirty politics of boxing. He never got his big money fight. His only chance was with boxing's clown Prince Naseem Hamed but he wasn't to keen to fight King Louie. Instead of meeting up with our WBC champ to unify the featherweights, Naseem offered Louie a US$ 1M - 6 fight deal over three years to culminate with their showdown. Of course Louie and his handlers scoffed at the offer thinking at that time, which made a lot of sense then, that they can get better big money fights on their own and if they do sign p and fight Hamed three years down the road, Louie would an old man and easy cannon fodder for Hamed. They should have taken the money. What followed was a downhill spiral with Louie demanding out from his contract with America Presents which gamely granted it to him on the condition that they promote one last title fight. Which turned out to be a rematch with Cesar Sotto in Albaquerque New Mexico. Never mind that Louie fought the fight of his life, made Sotto a punching bag for 12 rounds and making their earlier match seem like a stroll in the park. Louie had no chance from the time the fighters were introduced. Everything was done in Spanish and all the judges were hispanic. What a hatchet job. You knew he was screwed when the announcer was declaring the winner: "EL NUEVO KAMPEON DEL MUNDO....". He never recovered from that. Left on his own in the US, he had to work as a bartender to make ends meet while trying to salvage his boxing career. Sayang talaga. He still had a lot after the Sotto fight and could have come back properly against Guty Espadas, Jr. if he had the right people with him. But nonetheless, his latter futility in his career will not diminish the greatness that he has displayed when he was still King. I'm sure his place in boxing is already secured. Quote Link to comment
kanto-terrorist Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 what are these stories that last december, manny isnt so serious and delayed his training despite the request of his famed trainer Roach. Dami raw niya alibi to postpone the training, kesyo he's still shooting that burlington socks commercial (part 2), kesyo di raw siya pwede umalis ng jan 5 coz malas daw yung number 5, etc, then youl find him spending the night in parties, billiards, shootings. tsk tsk tsk, while his supposed opponent Juan Manuel Marquez is seriously preparing for the big fight and several months ahead of hard training. In an interview, the pacman even said that Marquez really have to practice harder coz patutumbahin lang nya yun; what a confidence!. Im for Manny but if those stories are true, then i dont think we have to expect sumthing good from him. Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 what are these stories that last december, manny isnt so serious and delayed his training despite the request of his famed trainer Roach. Dami raw niya alibi to postpone the training, kesyo he's still shooting that burlington socks commercial (part 2), kesyo di raw siya pwede umalis ng jan 5 coz malas daw yung number 5, etc, then youl find him spending the night in parties, billiards, shootings. tsk tsk tsk, while his supposed opponent Juan Manuel Marquez is seriously preparing for the big fight and several months ahead of hard training. In an interview, the pacman even said that Marquez really have to practice harder coz patutumbahin lang nya yun; what a confidence!. Im for Manny but if those stories are true, then i dont think we have to expect sumthing good from him.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> It probably worked: JMM wasn't keen on fighting Pacquiao anyway and was even astounded that he's been working out for 3 months while Manny was delaying his training. JMM and his handlers haven't signed anything yet even. So when Erik Morales and his camp offered a better deal, JMM scampered away, much like MAB keeps giving out excuses not to face Manny. Quote Link to comment
agate Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 God cant wait to see morales's face on the canvass of his ring in Mexico... its pay back time... one by one this mexicans shall fall ryt??? Quote Link to comment
Koji21 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Can't wait for March 19(20th sa atin). Destroyed Marco Antonio Barrera, and scored the bout with Juan Manuel Marquez in favor of Manny Pacquiao by 2 rounds(6 point diff with the 10-6 1st round). But I beleive that this will be Pacman's toughest fight yet. Though Barrera was listed in most's pound for pound lists, and Marquez was reportedly "the avoided one", stylistically Morales presents the most problems for Pacman. First, Barrera and Marquez are of the same mold- technical counterpunchers. They do not initiate the action and wait for you to miss. However, Morales is different, very skilled. He is effective boxing from the outside and inside. Can fight going forward and backward. Can box and brawl. Has a very good jab and great right straight. However, i dont think he has met someone with the workrate and punching power of Manny Pacman! What pac needs to do is keep on pressuring erik, what with the long jab of EM. Pressure, combined with variety of punches(right jab, right hook, straight left and left uppercuts)!!! This will be a GREAT FIGHT!!!!! My take, PACMAN in a decision or late KO! GO GO PACMAN. Next: My take on the greatest pinoy boxers of all time(Flash, Pancho, Pacman)? Quote Link to comment
kadafy Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 to early to tell.. but i must say the pacman has a very mean left... one of the most powerful i've ever seen... Quote Link to comment
brawler201 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 My take, PACMAN in a decision or late KO! I'm even betting it will be over in less than 6 rounds. One of them will finish the fight on his back and even money is on Morales going to sleep. This mexicans are just too proud to resist going toe to toe with the Pacman. Too bad for him Pacquiao has the bigger shots. Quote Link to comment
Guest uglykid Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I believe in the boxing talent of the Pac Man. However, if the rumors are true, he should lessen the partying and the late nights out. A high caliber athlete like him doesn't need those kinds of useless distractions go Manny!!! Quote Link to comment
Guest uglykid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 any recent news on Manny's training for the Morales fight? Quote Link to comment
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