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As I have said, nobody's perfect.. He may have mishandled the Wizards team or made wrong decisions as the drafting of Kwame Brown.. But honestly, Jordan the player.. ang tinitingnan ng karamihan.. When EDC said that na-diminish ang myth ni Jordan during his tenure sa Wizards.. I would say hindi na diminish but people did not agree on his decisions especially when he came back..

 

People don't look at his play as a Wizard.. people still look at how he revolutionized BB while wearing the Bulls uni.. coz this is the most important of all of his achievements.. Barkley's statement only proves one thing.. he did not agree when MJ came back.. But his respect for him never waned.. MJ's popularity, his myth can not just be destroyed by some mistakes.. sorry pare.. coz his contributions have all outweighed his imperfections..

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Ang pinopoint ko ksi example yung mga friends ko na maka-jordan. nung bumalik si jordan sabi nila playoffs daw sigurado yun ksi hindi lng player si jordan ng wizards executive position pa.

magaling daw dumiskarte si jordan.

Pero nung pumalya si jordan ang sinasbi ng mga friends ko ok lng ksi greatest player pa rin naman daw eh. ang importante daw yung ginawa ni jordan nung panahon sa bulls.

Kso nagyabang na aasenso dw eh wizard eh.

As for kwame brown. magaling tlga yun kahit nung highschool pero si jordan may problema bkit pumalya si kwame brown. umiyak si kwame sa practice nung minura ni jordan. bumagsak daw tlga spirit sa kakaasar ni jordan.

Its not just in basketball ang pagiging greatest athlete ni MJ (arguably yan ha).. baka lalo kang hindi mag-agree dahil si Jordan ay being compared to other athletes in football, golf, tennis, etc.  Ito ang sinasabi ko.. Jordan has elevated himself not just in Basketball but more than that.. Kaya he can't be compared to Air Canada, KB8, LBJ.. because he has done things for basketball ---- ilan beses ko ba dapat iulit sa thread na ito na MJ revolutionized basketball.. basketball became a household name because of him..

 

VC may be the best dunker.. the best athletic phenom ever to wear an NBA uni.. but c'mon an athlete is more than that.. its more than highlights.. when people say that MJ is arguably the best athelte in the world .. they are talking about his contributions in BB and the way he touched peope's lives.. read what Kanto Terrorist's statement above my previous post.. exactomondo yun..

 

He has contributed things for basketball.. as say what Tiger Woods has given golf.. Both are not perfect pare but they both got considered as the best in their specific sport because of determination, drama, guts and the way they played their game..

 

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Natulungan na rin ng media. Marketing pa ng nike. Kahit hindi pa nagchamchampion si jordan nun marami na sya fans. ksi marami tlga tao gusto "lumilipad" Tpos nung nagchampion na sya marami na tlga nagkagusto kay jordan.

Sbi nga ni Larry Bird. Basketball is a black mans game. Blacks are the greatest athlete.

Respect ko naman na Greatest player sa inyo si jordan.

ouch now that hurts

kelan nga pala release ng bagong sapatos ni kobe dito...any idea kung mag kano yung price nun?

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Nandto na kso mahal pa. 7thou something. Kung type mo tlga ok lng na bilhin mo pero pag hindi pde ka antay sale.

Pero yung 360 ubos agad. Pero ok lng ksi hindi ganun kaganda mga colors na available. Pag may dumating na lng na bago set na colors.

The attitude, the drama, the suspense.. and even the controversies surrounding the man-myth Air Jordan made him the greatest athlete in the eyes of many.. That's reality.. and his detractors must respect that.. 

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ah oo. Greatest Athlete agree ako.

Yun nga lng meron na mas magaling na athlete sa kanya now si Vince Carter lalo na sa dunks.

... just to add to Kanto-T's post...

 

Being greatest does not mean you are perfect.. Jordan is not perfect.. no one is.. So, whenever EDC says that Jordan was not a good GM (when he was with the Wizards).. I just smile coz its the truth but it never diminished the credibility of MJ.. He may have made mistakes as a part of the Wizards' management/organization but these mistakes are nothing compared to what MJ was able to accomplish for Basketball.. He made basketball a global phenomenon.. and as stated with my previous post.. he tried to improve all aspects of his game.. he tried to be as perfect as possible.. he tried not to care about his nagging injuries and give the best possible game that he can..

 

The attitude, the drama, the suspense.. and even the controversies surrounding the man-myth Air Jordan made him the greatest athlete in the eyes of many.. That's reality.. and his detractors must respect that.. 

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Hindi mo ba napansin parang nabawasan kahit papano yung tingin kay jordan. Lalo na yung bumalik sya nung paghawak nya ng wizard medyo palpak. check mo din yung draft picks na kinuha nya. Pinopoint-out ko lng IQ ni jordan sa basketball as a whole.

Sa tingin nyo bakit nagkandleche-leche wizard nung hawak ni jordan? Kasi ang tingin nya sa sa sarili nya nun sya pa rin ang star player. Hindi nya inihinanda yung mga teammates nya. Nalimutan ko sino nagsabi nito eh. Isa yan sa Reason bkit sya fired ni Abe Pollin.

Sabi nga ni Barkley "If ever daw na magkaroon ulit ng 4th Coming Si jordan, that will be Ego. (sa paglalaro yan)

Pero sana bumalik ulit at humawak ulit ng team. Para malaman kung marunong talaga humawak ng team. Bigyan pa rin ng "benefit of the doubt"

as what ive said sa post ko.. di nga talga mabili yung jordan 19se kasi karamihan mas preferred yung jordan 19 na unang labas (ito nga yung may takip na parang snake skin).. so kahit maganda pa siya eh hindi nga mabili bili..

 

yung jordan 20 na sinasabi mo eh yung 1. gold/yellow  2. red at 3. blue.. sabi ko din sa post ko hindi nga mabili kasi pangit yung ganung colorway.. kaya nakasale din..

point at hand.. its not the shoes nor the brand yung tinatanggihan ng tao.. ayaw siguro nila yung mga huling lumabas na colorway at models of the same platform..

 

para ma gets mo point ko.. kapag yung nike nilabas yung quickstrike na jordan 20 (which incidentally eh isa lang ang binenta dito sa pinas size 14 pa nung year 2005) eh tiyak akong maraming bibili nun.. hinding hindi aabot sa point na isasale yung shoes na yun.. so basically imho hindi mo talga puedeng i confine solely sa style lang yung pag ayaw sa mga latest shoes ng jordan line.. 

 

pero i have to agree with you na medyo pangit yung itsura nung jordan 21.. kung bata nga tatanungin mo eh sasabihin nya ngang pangit yung shoes na yun.. pero as a shoe fanatic i wouldnt stop sa style alone.. i would also consider the technology and comfort behind the shoes para ma appreciate ko yung shoes.. nung sinubukan kong ilakad at italon yung jordan 21.. it felt surprisingly great!! ganda nung support sa ankle.. bland yung style pero sa tingin ko the features behind it would more than make up dun sa lack luster looks.. kung may pera ako i would buy the 21.. kaya lang mas gusto kong pag ipunan yung kobe 1 na all star ed.. maganda na masarap pang ipanlaro.. hehehe  :cool: 

 

by the way personal opinion ko lang naman ito ( pero based naman sa readings and actual experiences ko with nike/jordan shoes) .. entitled naman tayo to think differently and have diverse opinions.. 

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Nagkasundo din yun mga late na jordan d gaano maganda. As for performance dun lang maganda pero not for Asphalt or cemento.

Pero pag yung Jordan 9 and 11 lumabas ubos agad sigurado. Yan dalawa pinakamaganda jordan para sa akin.

wala pa akong nakikitang jordan na bago (18 to 20) or kahit na retro na 70% off.. hanggang 40% or 50% pa lang yung naaabutan ko.. and mostly yung mga naka sale eh yung hindi mabiling colorway.. example.. yung gold, blue and red edition nung jordan 20.. may nakita akong naka 30% or 40% off.. pero yung white na unang labas atsaka yung black/stealth never mo makikitang naka sale kasi nauubos agad.. isa pa.. yung jordan 19 na black colorway and the white colorway.. di nagatagal naubos din.. pero yung jordan 19 se (yung walang shroud) nakasale din for 30% to 40%.. so parang di accurate pag sinabi mo na generally di na gusto nung mga tao yung jordan line kasi pumapangit na yung style.. dont get me wrong bro.. ang point ko lang kanya kanyang panlasa lang yan..  :cool:

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Punta ka sa Outlet store para maintindhan mo sinasabi ko. Especially yung Jordan 19 SE. ang ganda nung black pero nakasale. December pa yan hindi man lng nabawasan.

Jordan 20 meron ngayon anim na pairs na nakasale.

Yung friend ko na Jordan collector na nagsabi na din sabi Papangit na lately mga models na jordan.

Ang price ng Jordan usually 8995 or 7995. Tpos yung 8995 magiging 3598. Yung 70 off na sinasbi ko mga size 12 and 13 yun. Ganyan na ka mura pero mas pipiliin pa 2k5

Kanya kanya nga taste pero may standard kung ano maganda or pangit.

Pag nagbabasketball ako sa ibang village madalang na ako nakakakita na may suot na jordan. Karamihan naka-shox or 2k5.

Para ma-get mo point ko ipakita mo yung jordan 21 sa isang bata at wag mo sasabihin na jordan yan. Ask mo kung maganda ba.

Ksi usually the name jordan kala agad ng tao maganda pero just compare yung mga bago jordan sa mga ibang models ng nike base mo sa style ang layo na eh.

Check the Zoom kobe 1 and VC 5. mas mura sa jordan pero mas ok style.

Pero kung performance bk dun nagkakaiba.

mas more on performance based na yata kasi yung platform ng brand jordan ngayon.. siguro priority nila yung maitutulong sa athlete rather than the style/appearance of their shoes.. alam malamang nila na iba iba ang taste ng tao with regard to looks pero pagdating sa performance gusto nila tops sila over their competitors para yung mga sapatos nila ang piliin.. a basic example dito yung jordan 20 and 21 which has the new ips.. mga pods in lieu of the zoom air or air sole.. mas maganda yung absorption nung impact and mas tatagal daw compared to others.. incidentally i rather like the looks of the jordan 20.. ganda nung quickstrike and nung black/stealth colorway.. 

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Pero ang performance nyan pang wood lng na court. Hindi pde yan sa Cemento or asphalt. Check mo yung sole nung jordan 20.

Example yung 2k5 ok yung technology pero maganda pa rin style.

Dto sa pinas pansinin mo lagi nasasale yung jordan hanggang 50-70percent ksi hindi nagugustuhan ng mga tao yung style.

Kaya sana ibalik yung magaganda jordan dati.

Hindi nyo ba napapansin lately mga jordan hindi na maganda style. Sana magkaroon tlga nung 9 and 11 na retro dto pinas

Honda Jazz. Maporma na Matipid pa Honda pa.

MapaBabae or Lalake Pde ito. Hindi mahihirapan mga girl i-park yan kahit makipot daan.

I would still recommend the discounted Nikes at the Depot store in mandaluyong and subic (up 50% less). Nike die hard ako, di mo na kse kainlangan i-break in and relatively secure and comfortable mga shoes nila. However, very average lang ang life-span ng Nike shoes lalo na pag di mo ginamit and nabasa. Nangyari na ba sa inyo ung nadurog na lang at napulbos na parang foam ung mid sole after di mo nagamit for a long time?

 

On the other hand, Adidas super tigas minsan yan pag bago bili pero mga tsong pag tumagal na yan sa paa mo ibang klase din. Ewan ko lang if similar members experienced this pero mas relatively mas matibay ang materials ng Adidas ang the longer you wear/use it the more comfortable it feels. I would even say parang kumakapit na sa contour ng paa mo.

 

Mag-Poll kaya tayo, members anu pang BB nyo ngayun at bakit?

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Yung pagpulbos hidni pa nangyari sa akin yun. d b meron ka lebron 1. kung hindi mo gagamitin yun i-vacuum pack pa mo yun ksi pag tagal magpupulbos yun. yung iba kilala ko na complete ang jordan collection ganun ginagawa. vacuum sealed yung shoes

Pero yung air max 360 d b wala ng foam. so yun ata hindi na magpupulbos ksi tinangal na yung foam.

Prang gusto ko bumili ng lebron 1 ksi sigurado magmamahal yun may alam ako kung saan pa makakabili nun pero sa 3800 para namamahalan pa ako. all black na lng.

Yung sa mandaluyong marami pa selection ng nike? ano name nung outlet jan? ano landline number jan?

yung 2k5 na black and violet yung check compared sa black and white yung check ano mas ok? sa kin mas ok yung white check pero mas mahal sa internet yung violet na check. yung violet na chec limited edition 3000 pairs lng. pareha 4800 yung price. sana umabot pa ng 3800 pero malabo na ata.

sa libis, riverbanks, marketmarket ako pumupunta.

Let's say that EDC is correct in saying that Jordan did not have the BB IQ that Bird or Magic had during his rookie season.. or even during his college formative years.. (*** The quotations below came from the book entitled Jordan by Mitchell Krugel..)

 

EDC said that defenders were "latak" when he won the championship but isn't it not the scoring and FG% that is a true testament.. let's look at Jordan's scoring through the Bird and Magic era..

 

84-85 - 28.2; 85-86 - 22.7; 86-87 - 37.1; 87-88 - 35.0; 88-89 - 32.5; 89-90 - 33.6; 90-91 - 31.5.. Out of this 7 years playing against Bird/Magic and Isaiah.. 5 of these years were all 50%++ FG percentages..

 

This only shows that Jordan had his way against the whole of the NBA at that time.. Even though defense was tight against him.. He learned to find ways to score.. Di ba?  Kung talagang matindi ang defense before dapat siguro hindi siya puros 30++ ang puntos niya..

 

Nuff said? 

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Hindi mo naintindihan point ko.

Nung bago pa si jordan bihira mampasa yan. yung assits average nya nung bago sya deceiving ksi mas bwakaw sya dati. kahit na naka 8 assits average sya dati wla sa flow ng game. hindi nya pa alam yung correct pass dati.

Mas maganda average nya early years pero d champion. hindi pa nya mafigure out kung pano manalo dati. hindi average sinasabi ko. ang point ko impact sa team nung early years. hindi bano mga teammates nya dati.

Nung nagchampion si jordan mas bumaba scoring average pero natuto na sya mampasa at mas sisiw yung competition nung early 90s

Nung 80s dalawa or tatlo bumabantay kay jordan hala tira pa rin. Pero nung 90s pinapasa na yung bola.

mga kalaban nya ng 90s tlga matatalo nya. hindi na sya dehado nun.

Type ko yung sinabi mo na hindi magkapareha ng IQ si jordan kay bird and magic. Malayo talaga eh. Kahit nung humawak ng team si jordan lumabas yung IQ d b. kaya nga na "YOUR FIRED" d b.

Bilib nga ako dun sa guts ni Abe Pollin. Isipin nyo "Greatest Player Sa karamihan ng mga Tao" Tapos Sisipain. Marami sigurado nagalit kay Abe Pollin nun pero Tama lang naman eh.

Sinabi na din ni Jerry Krause. "Michael(Jordan) is a Great Player But a Lousy Manager"

As a player ok si jordan. One of the Greatest. Grabe Athletic Ability. Pero 7 years bago nafigure out. Executive position akala ata ni jordan maganda IQ nya.

Hindi pde Gamitin yung athletic ability sa Executive Positon.

So Overall One of the Greatest si Jordan. Sana nga lng hindi na bumalik ng wizard para mas maganda pa nangyari. Kso dun lumabas yung utak ni jordan nung hinawakan wizard.

 

at bakit naman napasok si Pete Maravich dito?

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Point ko lng ksi hindi naman lahat ng player kilala ng mga tao. karamihan ksi si jordan lng naabutan. Dami pa Greatest na pde isali kaso din na naabutan ng tao.

Ang Greatest Player nasa 80s

Usually mga naabutan 80s basketball hindi masyado natuwa sa 90s basketball. iba tlga competition eh.

wala pa akong natatandaan na player na nanalo ng championship in his rookie year at hindi nangailangan ng tulong ng teammates nya.  Si Magic Johnson alam ko nagchampion nung rookie year nya, pero kasama nya dun si Kareem.

 

Ibig bang sabihin sa more than 50 years of NBA wala pang pwedeng maconsider na greatest player of all time??? lahat na lang sila one of the greatest pero di pwedeng maging greatest of all time?

 

i cannot believe that winning a championship by doing it alone is a criterion!!! look at the kobe bryant thread. those posters are desperately seeking good support from kobe's teammates so kobe can win a championship again.

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Lahat naman kaialngan ng kakampi. pero ang point ko kung greatest player ba si jordan.

hinda nya naagnat bulls ng wla pa sila pippen at phil jackson. sinasab ko impact nya sa bulls nung early years. hindi bano mga kakampi ni jordan nung early years. bwakaw lng tlga si jordan until maging coach nya si phil jackson.

ang alam ko impact ni jordan impact sa slam dunk contest. iba IQ ni jordan nung bago pa sya. naturuan na lng ni phil jackson nung patagal nung nampapasa na ng bola.

pero check nyo na lng competion nung panahon ni jordan nung 90s

check nyo din competition panahon ni bird and magic ng 80s

isa pa player na malupit pero hindi pinapansin si pistol pete maravich.

Dehado ba si jordan sa mga bumabantay sa kanya nung 90s?

si kobe hindi ko type ksi naalala ko si jordan nung bata sya.

well, you can't do anything about it kung sabihin namin na si MJ ang greatest player ever dahil its our opinion. kung para sa yo on of the greatest player lang sya then we will let you have that.

 

about sa point mo na bakit it took 7 years bago nag-champion si MJ, kse it also took 7 years for the the Bulls' organization to come up up with a champinoship caliber team. di naman pwede sabihin na dahil nandun na si MJ sa Bulls automatic dapat nag-champion na sila. basketball is a team game my friend. kahit gano ka kagaling kung wala ka naman kakampi na susuporta sa yo eh, balewala lang di ba? :thumbsupsmiley:

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Pero impact ni jordan sa bulls nung rookie sya 11 win games win lng. wla pa si pippen nun. Hindi rin mga bano mga kakampi ni jordan nung wla pa si pippen.

Medyo tamad pa mampasa ng bola si jordan nun. Nung tinuruan na lng sya ni Phil jackson kaya sya nampasa.

Do u think magchachampion bulls nun pag si pippen mas maaga napunta ng bulls? i dont think so.

Pano mo naman tatalunin yung lineup ng lakers and celtics nun.

Kanya kanya tayo ng stardard eh. kung tingin nyo greatest player si jordan na bumabantay sa kanya nung nagchampiopn sya craig ehlo, gary payton, drexler, cliff robinson, starks, charlie ward, bryon russell....etc.......yan yung standard nyo.

expected magchampion si jordan pag yan ang bantay. pag natalo sya ng mga yan eh ewan ko na.

mga sir, any and1 bbal shoes user here?

ok ba? im planning to buy one.. gs2 ko lang magkaron ng feedback sa mga nakagamit na ng and1.

 

and re: the bbal shoes from greenhills, meron ba ditong nakagamit na nun?

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Mga peke yun. Mag Nike ka na lng na ORig. May mga sale na rin naman.

Sana yun nga sir. May info ka kelan bagsak nun sa Pinas and magkano retail price?

 

May mga KOBE 2k4 laser etched huarache naka sale sa SM Pampanga 3.7tho and isa. Medyo tumaas ang collectability ever since nag 81 points si Kobe. Nagtatapos ata ng 120$ sa ebay.

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Iniisip ko nga bilhin yung 2k5 na Black/Violet kso hindi namna ganun kaganda. Pero yun pinakamahal sa 2k5 ksi 3000 lng ginawa.

Mas feel ko yung 2k5 na black and white yung check.

Pero ang feel ko nagmagmamahal yung kay lebron. grabe galing hindi pa bwakaw. wag lng si artest babantay araw araw.

For Sale Nike Air Total Package. Brand New. Size 10. P2700

dude, madaming magaling na defenders nung 80's and 90's. underrated players lang sila kse they are not offensively good pero they are very decent defenders.

 

the problem is kahit anong klaseng depensa bigay mo kay Jordan wala talaga. he's just so good that you have to throw all five defenders on him para lang di sya maka-pag produce.

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Eh Yung nga point ko bakit hindi nagchampion si jordan nung 80s. Nung tumanda na yung mga player ng 80s dun na lng nagchampion si jordan. 7 years yan bago nagchampion. 91 na.

Sino sino ba mga tinalo ni jordan nung nagchampion sya? Sino mga bumantay kay jordan?

Pero kung sasabihin nyo si jordan na most popular player walang problema.

Pero kung sasabihin na greatest player of all time ewan ko na.

Si jordan "One of the Greatest Player"

kung latak ang tawag mo sa mg bumabantay kay jordan, eh ano tawag mo sa mga bumamabantay kay chamberlain?

 

di mo gets yung point eh. masyado ka focused on the records. di dyan napapatunayan ang kagalingan..

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Never ko naging favorite player si chamberlain. Alamin mo muna sino favorite player ko. iba poster yung yung nagmamalaki kay chamberlain.

Never ko pinagmalaki si chamberlain. iba poster yun nagsabi nun. back read ka.

80s sinasabi ko hindi 50s and 60s

let's put this in perspective....hindi nagchampion ang bulls nung 80's kasi mas maraming magaling na team that time. nung 80's mas competetive ang eastern conference compared sa western conference where the lakers were dominant. nandyan ang mighty celtics led by bird, sixers led by dr. j, pistons led by isaiah, hawks led by dominic and knicks led by ewing.

 

dumaan si jordan sa mga kamay ng bad boys of detroit bago sya makapasok sa nba finals. at yung unang title ni jordan was against lakers of magic johnson. so hindi tama yung statement mo na hinintay nya munang tumanda sina isaiah at magic bago sya nagchampion. nag retire si magic hindi dahil matanda na sya kundi dahil naging hiv positive sya.

 

do you know of a player named gary payton?? he was onced named defensive player of the year during the championship years of jordan!!!

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Gusto ko yun sagot mo sa first paragraph mo. it shows hindi greatest player si jordan.

Gary payton? sino pa? kung si gary payton lang para maging greatest player eh marami na magiging greatest.

Ang competition nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan medyo hindi ganun kalupit dhil mga player na kasaybay hindi ganun ka-ok.

Si jordan one of the greatest player. Pero ang sure ako si jordan is the most popular player.

Ung tawag sa shoes ni webber ay air max sensation, naglabas ng limited quantity ang nike 2 years ago na all white. 6 lang yata nakadating sa Pinas. Puro Nike exec lang ang kumuha. Favorite ko din un kse yun ung first nike BB shoes na may air sole na expose sa harap. I had the White, red and black version.

 

By the way, watch out for the 4th re-issue of the Jordan 11. Cguradong dudumugin kagad ito ng mga shoe heads tulad natin. Madame na naka-advance booking sa states. 100 pairs daw inorder ni Jay-Z.

 

Shoe Collector din ako. My best so far is the never been worn Lebron James 1 or better known as the Air Zoom Generation color wine red. Ung first game edition with the dates stitched on the inside. Tatago ko ito until maging parang mythical Air Jordan 1 ung status.

 

Naghahanap ako ng cement colored Air Jordan 3 for my collection pa-PM na lang pag meron kayong size 9.

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yung sinasabi mo na Jordan 11 kelan yan lalabas? ksi check ko si niketown wla ako nabasa na lalabas yan.

ang alam ko may jordan 11 yung Defining moment pack pero may kasama pa na isang jordan yun. jordan 6 ata.

MJ is definitely the best player to have ever played the game of basketball. Why? Notice the very physical defense back in the '80s and early '90s. Back then, Kurt Rambis' vicious clothesline on Kevin McHale (you guys remember that?) was just a foul. These days, any player who does the same thing will get an automatic flagrant foul, because today's game is designed for flashy offense (and TV ratings). Gone are the handchecks, bodychecks, swinging elbows and tooth extractions that defined basketball's golden age.

My point is, any player who survives a beating day in and day out and still manages to score 30-plus points while putting the hurt on the opposing team on a pretty consistent basis is an extremely good player. Only Michael Jordan did that, I believe.

Oh, MJ's an off-guard. I seriously doubt that Wilt could do what MJ did if he was just 6'6".

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baliktad. si mchale ang tumira kay kurt rambis.

kung mas maliit si wilt bk mas mataas sya tumalon at mas mabilis sya tumakbo. so hindi pde gawin example pag lumiit si wilt.

kung tumangkad naman si jordan mas baba talon nya at mas babagal sya tumakbo.

hindi ito playstation na kahit 7-1 or 6-6 na pde imodify.

ayayay!! heto na naman tayo sa mga "latak" na mga komento ni edc.. to newbies in this thread and in the nba thread: backread a little bit sa nba thread at sa thread na ito.. anjajan mga arguments.. kakasawa ng sumagot.. 

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kung defender tingin mo kay craig ehlo, bryon russell, charlie ward, john starks....etc nung PANAHON na nagchampion si jordan eh ewan ko na.

isipin mo na lng bkit nung 80s hind sya nagchampion. inantay na tumanda sila bird, magic, isiah? 7years yun ha.

sabihin mo and nyo kung SINO ba defender nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan?

pero wag ka magalala mahilig ako sa nike. pero hindi dun sa player

zoom kobe 1 and yung kay duncan na may computer chip. yung kay duncan boladas na ang price. 250$. d ako bibili ng 250 dollars na shoes. bk mamura ako ng tatay ko pag nalaman price

kay kobe 100something dollars