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Sana magkaroon ng Yakult na 1 Liter

ano na ba balita?...

sang mga nike store avail yang mga jordan 20 na yan?...

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Sa nike park sabi nung tumawag sa akin na taga nike. Tawagan nyo na lng kasi minsan magulo pricing nila dun. May day na 3598 tpos bigla magiging 6thou something.

sana may ginger and carolina color pa for the Jordan 20, BTW, EDC nalaro mo na ba sa court mga ito? Parang lacking cya pag dating sa ankle support...mukhang pamporma lang.

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Wala pa ako nyan, Tinawagan lang ako nung taga nike kung interested ako sa jordan 20. Ksi kaya d ko gaano gusto jordan 20 dahil dun sa taas ng shoes. hindi ko type pambasketball.

Pamporma lng tlga maganda yan. Lalo na sa jeans. Pero kung meron maganda color bk bilhin ko. 3598 mura na tlga sa jordan yun.

ano naman yung mga avail na color?...

at anong mga store kaya meron nun?...

ok sana kaso nga lang kakabilli ko lang ng tmac-5...

6months ko pang babayaran yun sa creditcard ko...

baka pag bumili pa ulit ako ng isa pang sapatos baka palayasin na ako samin...

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Itinawag lang sa akin nung taga Nike kung interested ako. Di ko alam yung color na available. Pero titingnan this week. Sa Nike Park.

Yan ang iwasan mo bumili using Credit Card. .

Yung mga Jordan 20 3598 na lng ngayon sa mga selected na nike boutique.

Murang mura na yan.

Marami Mura jan. Maghanap lang kayo. Meron jan 3thou per day good for 4-6persons bahay. Aircon pa yun at may sarili C.R.

Pero kung gusto malupit, sa NAMi. Kso mahal pero sulit.

mga brod, esp to edc, i think it will be much better if u create ur own Larry Bird thread.  this thread is for MJ, we should be talking more about MJ, the +s and even the -'s.  nawawalan na kasi ang direksyon ng thread na ito eh.  creating ur own bird thread will help u enshrine and worship ur bird. dont wori, magpopost din kaming mga ordinaryong admirer ng isa sa mga greats.  post some pics na rin ng idol mo in action, lalo na yungkitang kita ang legs dahil sa  maiigsing shorts, para "tigasan" ka rin  

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Ok Sorry tigil na ako. Sa mga iba poster sorry.

Si Madam Chaser ksi Chase ng Chase eh. May mga gusto ako ilinaw dito. May post na Out of the Topic si Madam Chaser sa taas............na dapat linawin

Sabi kasi ni Madam Chaser : Below................

you even have the guts to go into the LIVING WITH A BI-WIFE THREAD,para lang sabihin na magkakakuto gumagawa ng lesbo sex. (bobo mo!)

    pero thats what makes message board/forums like this wonderful.it allows morons like EDC to inflict their stupidity on the unsuspecting public. :mtc:  :thumbsupsmiley:

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Madam Chaser magBasa ka kasi. Ang thread "Living Life with A Bi-Wife. Ang Bi na Girl pumapatol sa lalake at babae. Kung yung lalake may kuto sa pubic pde nya ipasa sa babae yun at ipapas ng babae dun sa babae makakatalik nya. Tagalog yan ha. Gusto mo Chinesein ko?

Madam Chaser Please Research.

Ang Stop Practicing Fortune Telling.

LATAK KA TALAGA!!!KUNG NAG-IISIP KA TULAD NG IDOL MO,MALALAMAN MO KUNG BAKIT MARAMI KUMOKONTRA SA MGA THREAD NA PINAPASOK MO.KUNG DI KA BA NAMAN BUGOK.,PAPASOK KA SA THREAD NI MJ,PURO BIRD NAMAN ANG BANAT MO,PUMASOK KA SA GINEBRA,PUREFOODS NAMAN IBABANGKA MO.DUN SA SEX WITH FAT BOYS AND GIRLS,PUMASOK KA RIN,EH DI KA NAMAN NAKA-TRY NA NG FAT GIRL,SABI MO LANG FAT BOY PA LANG NASUBUKAN MO.

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Chaser Pumasok ako sa Jordan thread ksi para konting debate kung Greatest talaga si Jordan.

Sa Ginebra thread ang Unang post ko dun sana manalo ginebra para sila maglaban ng Purefoods sa finals. Masama ba yun?

Sa Sex with Fat Boys and Girls Sabi ko bkit yung mga Karamihan ng mga Chubby may mga Amoy? Sino nagsabi hindi ako naka-try ng Fat Girl? Magbasa ka kasi ng post. Eh ang Problema ako yung chinichase mo hindi naman yung thread.

Meron din nagpost dun na Girl na tinatanong bkit daw karamihan ng Chubby na lalake maliit daw titi. Bakit yun di mo kinontra?

By the way kaya ka ba nasaktan dahil Chubby ka ba?

Hindi ko malaman sa mo nabasa na Hindi ako nakatry ng Fat Girl?

San mo rin pala nabasa na gagawa ako ng Purefoods thread?

Yan ang hirap eh, May lahing imbentor ka!

Kontrahin mo naman ako sa mga thread na walang kumokontra sa akin. Hindi yung puro saw-saw ka lng.

Maging Instigator ka naman. Wag puro saw-saw

PARA  MATAPOS NA ANG KALATAKAN NG REASONING MO BOY LATAK A.KA. EDC, I AM CHALLENGING YOU TO A ONE ON ONE B.BALL GAME. PASABI KA LANG KUNG SAAN AT KELAN,YOU PLACE UR BETS.ITAYA MO NA YUNG SINASABI MONG HONDA MO,YUNG MALAKI MONG BANK ACCT. PATI NA RIN YUNG MGA FAKE MONG B.BALL SHOES LET'S SEE IF THE THINGS YOU RESEARCH ABOUT YOUR IDOL,EH MAI-AAPLAY MO SA B.COURT.

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Nadale na! Bigla hindi maka-sagot ha. Namnamin mo sinabi ni David Stern. Pano mo imamarket si jordan internationally kung 60s and 70s sya dumating sa NBA. Ano na ba technology nung 60s and 70s?

Yan ang hirap eh. Pag hindi na makasagot iba na ang ilalaban.

Chaser Napaghahalata ka na ngayon. Pati sa All About Basketball Shoes Kinontra mo pa rin ako! Kaya hindi ka nagpost dun ksi walang kumokontra sa akin. Ikaw ha magpopost ka lang pag nakita mo marami kumokontra sa akin.

Mukhang Grabe ata PagkaTira ko sa Mazda Probinsya mo. Musta Ginebra? Dinaya ba kayo ng Referee? Taandaan mo ang Tinira ko Mazda, hindi ikaw. Kaso Dinamdam mo ata. Pag natutulog ka yan ba lagi mo iniisip?

Chaser may Lahing Madam Racha or Madam Auring ka ba? Kilala mo na ba yung Hinahamon mo? Ang Pag-sisisi nasa huli lagi. Meron ka ba Papusta?

LET'S SEE IF THE THINGS YOU RESEARCH ABOUT YOUR IDOL,EH MAI-AAPLAY MO SA B.COURT.

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Are you implying na Ma-aaply mo sa court yung pagiging jordan? Yessssssssss Jordanesque ha.

Shiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeet!

got my kobe1s na! ganda at very comfortable... cant wait to try it out sa game... hehehe... yung symbol DAW ni kobe was lifted from some jedi symbol... am not really sure were i read it... 

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Ano color yan? Yung All star white-red or 81 point black-maize?

Sa picture parang mas ok yung black-maize and sabi sa ibang website mas ok daw quality ng black-maize.

Grabe yung black-maize. Sabi sa hoopsworld "very limited release."

Hindi lng limited eh meron pang very!

Ang Lulupit nga eh. Pero yung kay duncan na may microchip hindi ko bibilhin yan ng sariling ko pera. $250 sa sapatos? Baka makotongan ako ng Tatay ko.

Pero kung isasale ng $100 yan walang problema. $150 carry pa rin.

Pero kung $250 talaga at hindi isasale, magpapadala na lng ako sa pinsan ko. Libre pa.

http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/century/katz.html

From coast to coast, a magical pair

By Andy Katz

ESPN.com

Michael Jordan may be one of the top five athletes of the century, but he's not responsible for changing the NBA, or to some extent, the NCAA's Final Four.

Larry Bird and Magic Johnson can close the century knowing they resuscitated the pro game and gave new life to the college tournament.

Bird, the fair-haired white shooter from the sticks of Indiana, led an undefeated Indiana State to the national title game in 1979. Magic Johnson, the flashy, gregarious African-American point guard from urban Michigan, brought a taste of showtime to Michigan State.

That title game became one of the most documented finals in history -- it remains the highest-rated college basketball game ever, a contest that captivated the nation. It helped that neither program had a history of reaching the Final Four. UCLA had dominated most of the previous 15 years, but the '79 final gave us a taste of two programs that were led by stars. Bird and Magic helped set the tone for a 20-year period where players actually grabbed equal billing with the head coaches (does anyone remember who coached Indiana State?).

Also, the Bird-Magic showdown was a turning point for the NCAA Tournament, which became one of sports hottest properties. In November, CBS extended its current deal with the NCAA with an 11-year, $6 billion deal -- about $545 million per year to televise the tournament.

But that '79 title game has grown in importance in part because the Bird-Magic continued in the NBA. No other individual rivalry has moved from one level to the next without a time gap. Bird simply traded his light blue Sycamores' jersey for the Celtic green. Magic went from Spartan green and white to Laker yellow and purple.

The NBA has always been about one-on-one duels. Bird, the forward, and Magic, the point guard, didn't guard each other. But the rivalry continued as the Lakers and Celtics battled for NBA supremacy throughout the 1980s.

Bird represented Boston, a blue-collar city. Magic's GQ persona was the right fit in Hollywood. It didn't hurt that Bird was white, playing in Boston, a city with a history of racial intolerance. It certainly helped that Magic was in Los Angeles, one of the most diverse cities in the nation.

Acknowledging the race issue isn't being racist. Certainly, the Celtics had African-American fans. But a healthy, respected rivalry between two players of different races was good for both cities and for the nation that followed the sport.

Playing seven-game series in Boston and Los Angeles brought the coasts closer together. Magic and Bird were the best competitors in the game -- the best players -- and their teams battled in three riveting championships in 1984, 1985 and 1987. In every year of the decade, either the Lakers or Celtics played for the title.

Remember this as well: When Magic and Bird entered the league in 1979, the NBA Finals were broadcast on a tape-delayed basis. You had to say up until 11:30 p.m. to watch Brent Musberger call the play-by-game. The league was riddled with drug problems and attendance was sagging.

Many like to credit David Stern with reviving the league. But where would David Stern be without Magic Johnson and Larry Bird?

With the NBA struggling for an identity (Julius Erving was viewed as a novelty), Bird and Magic gave the NBA star power. Jordan was still in college when Bird and Magic played in their first NBA Finals. The rivalry allowed the NBA to become a form of entertainment. The media loved the rivalry and the pair seemed to flourish in it, as well. They were loyal to their cities and their organizations, which played well across the nation. Neither player ever considered being traded and that allowed fans to root for teams they knew would mostly remain intact. Today, Scottie Pippen is trying for another NBA title with his third team in three years.

Jordan won six NBA titles, the last two against the Utah Jazz. He didn't have a rivalry with Karl Malone or John Stockton. For one thing, you can't have a rivalry if only one team wins. Bird and Magic were both winners, sometimes against each other. They helped create the interest in the Final Four and they made today's NBA.

Andy Katz is a staff writer for ESPN.com.

boy latak, kaya hindi pa nagexpand internationally ang nba 'nun is bec. wala pang player with an intl. appeal like MJ.

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ahahahaha. Improving ha. may tawag ka na sa kin.

Chaser Mahapdi tlga sabihin yung mazda pang probinsya.

Ok to the Topic:

International Appeal? Chaser namnamin mo sinabi ni Stern. May factors yan. "Kung" si jordan nung 60s-70s naglaro pano mo imamarket internationally eh hindi pa hi-tech nun. Pano nila ipapakita sa international audience kung si jordan 60s and 70s naglaro. Paano?

Chaser kahit ano international appeal ng isang player nung 60s and 70s eh low tech pa nun. Sa states nun low tech pa eh what more pa sa pinas?

Pero kelan ba "nagsimula" na magboom NBA? Kay Magic and Bird. Tapos pinagpatuloy na lng ni jordan nung 90s internationally. 80s compared sa 90s ang layo naman sa technology.

Ang linaw linaw ng sinabi ni David Stern...

I mean, in 1985, we invited the Chinese national team -- actually, we didn't really invite them, we just said, "Some day, we hope you'll be here," and we got a telex saying, "we accept your invitation" [laughs] -- and I remember thinking, "Where are we gonna raise the $250,000 to cover this tour?" And while they were on the plane, Kaliber, the nonalcoholic beverage for Guinness, agreed to a deal with us that allowed us to cover the expenses. It wasn't always that we had a blue chip [sponsor] lined up … sponsors began looking at sports, or at least looking at us. So those three things, the marketing, the arena and the television were huge, because I refuse to say that Player X of today is better than Elgin, Wilt, Willis, Bill Russell, Havlicek, Harry Gallatin …

-------pati $250,000 pinoproblema pa nya nun. Dumating na nyan si jordan. pero nafeel ba internationally? Dito sa pinas hindi rin nafeel eh. Kasi hindi pa ganun ka high tech nun. Commercially wla pa Cable nun sa pinas.

papasok ka sa thread naming mga ginebra fans para manira

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Chaser, Ginebra ka pala. Bagay na Bagay ha. Daming meaning ng Chaser.

Malay ko ba ginebra ka. Nag-post lang ako dun na: "Tinira ng mga ginebra fans yung Honda SIR ni tugade" Masama ba yung post na ganun?(Reported sa Inquirer yun)

Nakipag-trash talk lang ako dun sa isa poster ksi ang dahilan daw nya kaya natalo ginebra dinaya daw ng referee. Yan ang hirap eh, Pag ginebra natalo dinaya daw.

Chaser kelan ko sinabi gagawa ako Purefoods thread?

Chaser sa tatlo thread na sinundan mo ako, Makiki-sawsaw ka lng pag nakita mo marami kumokontra sa akin. Ano yung mga thread? Sex with Fat Boys and Girls, NBA thread, Jordan Thread.

Pero pag si thread na wlang kumokontra or isa lng kumokontra sa akin Hindi ko makita si Chaser

Chaser na-oobvious ka

wag ka mag-alala,di kita susundan dun sa sinasabi mong BAYANI at BINAY thread.wala akong pinapanigan sa dalawang yan,kasi pare-pareho kayong latak.

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Bigla nahiya ah. Sunod na. Hindi Bagay sayo nagsasalita ng tapos. Baka magulat na lang ako I-Chase mo rin ako dun.

of all i know there is one team that make him suffer in his carrer in the 80's this are the badboys piston..... they cnot enter the 2nd round coz of the piston.... they got the revenge in the 90's wen the badboys was retiring 1 by 1. only joe dumars was left wen they face the bulls onse in the 90's......

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Boton Celtics din. Not Once But Twice na 4-0 ng Celtics ang bulls. Dinaan ksi ni jordan sa scoring eh. Double team and Triple team na sya dati pero tira pa rin. Di ba yung Calesa ng kabayo meron sa kabayo sa gilid ng mata? Parang ganun si jordan nun wala nakikita kakampi.

Sa pistons naman Kinuyog sya ng Defense ng detroit. The same thing din Triple team pero tira pa din.

Pero kahti natritriple team pumapasok naman yung tira pero ang problem hindi pde yun eh. Eh pano kakampi? Mahirap manalo pag hindi papasa sa kakampi.

Out of the Topic: Naalala ko tuloy si Susan Roces. Youve Stolen the Presidency not Once but Twice!

Bill Simmons: How would you compare that to 1983, when you were taking over?

 

David Stern:Look what's happened since 1983. We've gone from three networks or maybe four … I mean, the first network deal I made for cable, which I either fortunately or unfortunately made, was in 1979 (with a network that eventually became USA) for $400,000. In the intervening 20 years or so, we went from 4 million subscribers on cable to 90 million on cable and satellite … we went from five networks to 500 networks. That was the most enormous growth and we rode that growth. That was a river that came running by our door -- actually, it was more like an ocean.

 

Another thing happened: Right now, the only building in our league that isn't new or rebuilt since 1984 is the Meadowlands, and that's planned for replacement in a couple of years. All of the sudden, we have 30 teams playing in buildings with club seats, suites, video boards, sound systems, I mean, it is almost unfair to compare the experience. And by the way, the TV thing is significant in another way. Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain labored in relative anonymity. I just read some place that Greg Oden has already appeared in two ESPN games.

 

The third is Michael Jordan, but for a different reason than you might think. Michael Jordan and Nike made sports marketing a consumer product business as well, where teams put their marks on everything from apparel to furniture to hard goods …

 

Bill Simmons: But you guys had a little bit to do with that, in terms of marketing players and games? You guys were the first ones that did it, right?

 

David Stern: You know, interestingly enough, when I became commissioner, everything I knew I copied from either Major League Baseball promotions or NFL Properties. They were very generous with their time, Bowie Kuhn and Pete Rozelle … the NFL had NFL Films, baseball had MLB productions and MLB Promotions, the NFL had NFL Properties, so it was sort of, "OK, we have all these people doing things in a pretty good way, what could we learn from them?" But it was the Michael Jordan/Nike phenomenon that really let people see that athletes were OK, and black athletes were OK. Defying a previous wisdom -- not only that black athletes wouldn't sell in white America, but that the NBA as a predominantly black sport could not sell in white America. And then sponsors became interested. So all these things came together at the same time.

 

I mean, in 1985, we invited the Chinese national team -- actually, we didn't really invite them, we just said, "Some day, we hope you'll be here," and we got a telex saying, "we accept your invitation" [laughs] -- and I remember thinking, "Where are we gonna raise the $250,000 to cover this tour?" And while they were on the plane, Kaliber, the nonalcoholic beverage for Guinness, agreed to a deal with us that allowed us to cover the expenses. It wasn't always that we had a blue chip [sponsor] lined up … sponsors began looking at sports, or at least looking at us. So those three things, the marketing, the arena and the television were huge, because I refuse to say that Player X of today is better than Elgin, Wilt, Willis, Bill Russell, Havlicek, Harry Gallatin …

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Ito yung post ko na sinasabi ko. Yan yung dati ko pa point out. Nung nabasa ko Article ni Bill Simmons meron part na gusto ko at related sa pag-compare ng players Before and Now.

napanood ko yan...nainis nga ako kay isaiah kasi paborito ko sya...

 

not to take away anything from bird pero ito ang differences ng situations nila...

 

bird was playing healthy and was playing in boston garden....whereas jordan was playing sick and was playing in a very hostile crowd in delta center...

 

as i said before i recognize greatness of athletes not when they are in the zone but how well they rise above the occasion despite the odds against them.

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Healthy? Majority ng Playing career ni Bird Problema nya Spine nya. Hindi lang nya sinabi sa media. You could check his book dun nya kwento lahat yun. (Bird Watching on playing and Coaching the game I Love). Serious Back problem na hindi alam ng NBA. Galing noh sinicret lng nung naglalaro sya.

Yung situation na sinasabi ko, hindi nya hawak yung bola. Mas mahirap gumawa ng Game winning moment pag hindi mo hawak ang bola. Lamang pa Detroit nun at 5seconds remaining. At si Isiah Thomas ang naiinbound. Qualiter Passer is Isiah.

Wala ng panahon para magdribble or magtime-out. Iba lng tlga Instict ni Larry Bird.

Pag hawak mo ksi bola mas madali dumiskarte kahit may sakit or iniinda ang player.

Isa ko example ito. Bkit Gusto ko talaga si Bird.

"He became the first player ever to shoot at least .500 from the floor (.525) and .900 from the free throw line (.910) in the same season. In classic Bird fashion, he proved that was no fluke by doing it again the following season (.527 and .916). And he still managed to average more than nine rebounds and six assists both seasons. "

-Wla pa ata NBA player na nakagawa nyan. Kung meron na, correct me.

Si Jordan expected mo na matatalo Utah. Nung 90s si jordan ang pamantayan.

Wla ako makita defender ng utah na kaya bantayan si jordan. Sobra dehado utah pag kalaban si jordan. Dapat nga tinatambakan ni jordan utah ksi Wala maka-defensa sa kanya dun. Kung hindi si Bryon Russel, Si Howard Eisley, Si Shandon Anderson, Minsan si Hornacek. Matatalo tlaga utah nun.

still waiting for the larry bird thread?!!!!???? pati na rin yung purefoods thread........

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Chaser...ay Looker na pala ngayon. Masyado ka ata naapektuhan dun sa motoring nung tinitira ko yung Mazda Probinsya. Hindi mo pa rin ba matanggap yun?

Alam mo rin pala Purefoods fan ako? Talaga binabasa mo mga pinupuntahan ko thread. Ngayon na-oobvious ka na. Ginebra ka ba? Baka naman Air 21 ka. Mag-Red Bull ka na lng pra hindi ka bumabakas. By the way san mo nabasa na gagawa ako ng Purefoods na thread?

Eh napapansin ko wala ka naman tlga balak mag post dito eh. Ako lng chinichase mo.

Kanya kanya thread lng yan. Don’t take it personally.

Go Mazda Probinsya. Wag Bitter.

Not to bring larry legend down,pero on his own,di nya kaya gawin yun.the NBA had to hype up his rivalry with Magic Johnson which dates back from their college hoop days.so during the 80's ,it was MAGIC V. BIRD. and after that it was only MJ against all comers.

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NBA nag hype? Malupit na ba commercialsm ng NBA nung rookie years nila Magic and Bird? Marami na ba Cable nun worldwide? Ang Focus ng commercialsm ng panahon nila Magic ang Bird sa game mismo. Di ba sabi nga dati. “NBA its Fanstatic”

Swerte nga ng NBA dahil kay Bird and Magic. Sila Nagsimula kaya sumikat NBA. May mga Players ba Ganyan Talent ngayon?

Basahin mo yung sinabi ni David Stern. nasa taas yung post.

Ikaw ha binabasa mo pala mga thread na sinasalihan ko. Nasa Bayani and Binay thread din ako. Baka gusto mo kontrahin sinasabi ko dun.

Wag kasi nakiki-saw-saw.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/features/allstarShoeGallery

Grabe yung mga naka-feature na shoes sa All Star WeekEnd.

Yung kay Duncan medyo na-curious ako. Ang asar talo dun sa mga Sapatos yun kay Shaq.

Pero kung Looks ang Basehan sa lahat gusto ko yung VC5 na All Star Edition. Pero type ko din yung kay Kobe.

Pero bkit hindi pa nilabas ng Nike yung AirMax 360 na Basketball Edition? Para maganda labanan ng Adidas and Nike.

Yung isa MicroChip. Yung isa naman Air 360.

Pero ang nilalaban ng Nike yung Interchangeable Cushioning Technology ng Jordan 21

Nagkukumparahan kung sino Greatest Player sa NBA. Meron jordan vs wilt, Sa akin naman Bird vs Jordan....etc

Ang argument ko si jordan and current players ay natulungan na rin media and commercialsm kaya natatawag na greatest.

Meron ako ipopost na Article na ang iniinterview si David Stern.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...ns/stern/060216

Bill Simmons: You know I've advocated you for the presidency, right?

David Stern: I know, I know. Thank you very much.

Bill Simmons: You're not into it?

David Stern: [smiling] I'm not into politics.

Bill Simmons: The people that know you say you love being the commissioner, you're always going to be the commissioner …

David Stern: I think you judge that on a day-to-day basis. The job and the opportunities have so changed over the years that I find it continually challenging and stimulating … when you recognize what the untapped potential is for sports, [like] North and South Korea talking about a single team and marching under a single flag in the Beijing Olympics, where but in sports? The other part that we're doing -- the section that deals with digital entertainment, the digital ecosystem, when you think about what's coming in that part of the technology world, where there are going to be 3 billion cell phones by the year 2010, and even they and their successors, which will be just called handheld devices, will be video-enabled, music-enabled, voice-enabled and Internet-enabled … that has enormous implications for everything we do, both as a society and with the NBA. It's in a vacuum, changing day by day. So we've got the technological changes occurring, we have globalization occurring, and we have enormous needs for corporate/social responsibility, so there's really a great opportunity to do well and do good at the same time.

Bill Simmons: How would you compare that to 1983, when you were taking over?

David Stern:Look what's happened since 1983. We've gone from three networks or maybe four … I mean, the first network deal I made for cable, which I either fortunately or unfortunately made, was in 1979 (with a network that eventually became USA) for $400,000. In the intervening 20 years or so, we went from 4 million subscribers on cable to 90 million on cable and satellite … we went from five networks to 500 networks. That was the most enormous growth and we rode that growth. That was a river that came running by our door -- actually, it was more like an ocean.

Another thing happened: Right now, the only building in our league that isn't new or rebuilt since 1984 is the Meadowlands, and that's planned for replacement in a couple of years. All of the sudden, we have 30 teams playing in buildings with club seats, suites, video boards, sound systems, I mean, it is almost unfair to compare the experience. And by the way, the TV thing is significant in another way. Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain labored in relative anonymity. I just read some place that Greg Oden has already appeared in two ESPN games.

The third is Michael Jordan, but for a different reason than you might think. Michael Jordan and Nike made sports marketing a consumer product business as well, where teams put their marks on everything from apparel to furniture to hard goods …

Bill Simmons: But you guys had a little bit to do with that, in terms of marketing players and games? You guys were the first ones that did it, right?

David Stern: You know, interestingly enough, when I became commissioner, everything I knew I copied from either Major League Baseball promotions or NFL Properties. They were very generous with their time, Bowie Kuhn and Pete Rozelle … the NFL had NFL Films, baseball had MLB productions and MLB Promotions, the NFL had NFL Properties, so it was sort of, "OK, we have all these people doing things in a pretty good way, what could we learn from them?" But it was the Michael Jordan/Nike phenomenon that really let people see that athletes were OK, and black athletes were OK. Defying a previous wisdom -- not only that black athletes wouldn't sell in white America, but that the NBA as a predominantly black sport could not sell in white America. And then sponsors became interested. So all these things came together at the same time.

I mean, in 1985, we invited the Chinese national team -- actually, we didn't really invite them, we just said, "Some day, we hope you'll be here," and we got a telex saying, "we accept your invitation" [laughs] -- and I remember thinking, "Where are we gonna raise the $250,000 to cover this tour?" And while they were on the plane, Kaliber, the nonalcoholic beverage for Guinness, agreed to a deal with us that allowed us to cover the expenses. It wasn't always that we had a blue chip [sponsor] lined up … sponsors began looking at sports, or at least looking at us. So those three things, the marketing, the arena and the television were huge, because I refuse to say that Player X of today is better than Elgin, Wilt, Willis, Bill Russell, Havlicek, Harry Gallatin …

kaya lang i consider jordan to be greater than bird simply because of jordan's performance in game 5 of 97 finals...pasensya na kung paulit ulit ko tong sinasabi kasi ito talaga ang greatest performance of an athlete that i've ever seen....di ko nakita si bird na nalagay sa situation na he was physically weak and yet make the winning shot of an nba finals game.

 

i simply cannot imagine how an athlete can match or even surpass how jordan displayed his sheer determination to win that time.

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Si jordan may lagnat ata nun. Hindi ko sure, correct me.

Ang greatest performance ni jordan para sa akin dalawa: Yung pinasa nya bola kay paxson and yung kay steve kerr. Nung nakita ko na pinasa ni jordan bola kay paxson. Sbi ko nun nagmature na si jordan. Yung isa naman nung na-double team si jordan pinasa nya kay kerr. Para sa akin dun sya naging One of the Greatest Player. Nung early years nya ksi pinipilit nya yung fade-away nya kahit double team na.

Si Bird majority ng playing career nya meron syang problema sa Spine.

Para sa akin naman ang greatest performance ng isang NBA player ay yung steal ni Bird kay thomas.

Grabe yun. Hindi nga game winning shot. Game winning Steal and Assits para manalo.

"With five seconds remaining and the Celtics trailing 107-106, Bird stole an Isiah Thomas inbounds pass and fed Dennis Johnson, whose layup gave Boston the win"

Sobra Grabe yun. Lamang Detroit tpos inbound pa ng detroit tpos 5 seconds remaining? Si Isiah Thomas na magaling pumasa pa nag-inbound. Kso malas talaga ksi si Bird kalaban eh. Hindi lang basta naka-steal, pinasa pa sa kakampi na nagresult sa panalo.

Kung ibang player ang naka-steal nun tapos 5 seconds remaining sigurado ititira agad yun. Lalo na sa mga players ngayon.

Ganito na lng ksi kanya kanya tayo greatest eh.

Si Jordan The"Greatest One on One Player"

Si Bird naman The "Greatest All Around Player"

If Scoop Jackson thinks that there will never be another Larry Bird.. and there would be another Jordan.. Then he is stupid.. Coz no player would be alike.. For me, No one can ever be compared to Jordan.. no one can ever duplicate what he has done.. coz he was the catalyst that made Basketball a global phenomenon.. a household name.. There might be players that could jump as high as Jordan, can win 6 championships.. can be scoring champ.. can be MVP.. can lead his team to W's.. but they can never be a catalyst.. dahil nag-iisa lang ang catalyst.. dahil siya ang nag-umpisa.. much like George Mikan being BB's first superstar.. first nga eh.. at catalyst.. iisa lang yun..

 

I do believe na wala ng magiging Bird.. same as Magic or even Eric Montross for that matter.. 

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Yung sinasbi lng ni scoop jan ay si jordan yung skills nya magagaya. kumbaga may imitation. di ba ngayon ang daming binabansagan as the "next michael jordan" check nyo na lng si kobe. yung galaw jordan na jordan. marami ksi mga negro na gumagaya kay jordan.

Pero si bird kahit imitation sa mga players ngayon wala eh. Ang pinakamalapit na imitation kay bird si nowitzki pero hind dahil sa game. dahil pareha silang kulay. Ang layo ng game ni Bird kay nowitzki.

Hindi tlga sinasabi na meron magiging jordan. ang sinasabi lng mas madali gayahin si jordan kaysa kay bird.

Ksi si jordan naging pamantayan ng mga negro at nagagaya nman ng mga negro si jordan. The word is nagagaya.

Si Bird naging pamantayan ng mga puti pero problema wla pa mga puti na makagaya sa laro ni bird. As in ni imitation hindi mabebenta.

Ang Gana nito nabasa ko.

http://www.slate.com/id/2132097/

Follow That Bird

Why does every white basketball player get compared to Larry Legend?

By Josh Levin

Posted Monday, Dec. 12, 2005, at 5:17 PM ET

With seconds left and his team down one, Adam Morrison dribbled right, rose up from beyond the three-point line, and banked the ball high off the backboard. Impossibly, the shot fell through without touching rim, giving Gonzaga a dramatic win.

"Larry Bird, baby!" croaked CBS color man Bill Raftery rapturously. "It felt like guarding Larry Bird," agreed Oklahoma State's Marcus Dove.

Morrison leads college basketball in scoring. He's a 6-foot-8 white guy with floppy hair and a crustache. He's got Type 1 diabetes, which is the rough medical equivalent of growing up in French Lick, Ind. And if that weren't enough, the kid hung a Bird poster in his freshman dorm room. Ladies and gentleman, introducing Adam Morrison—your next "next Larry Bird."

With no disrespect to Morrison, the habit of anointing every young white player the second coming of Larry Bird has to stop. It's bad for the Bird wannabes and it's bad for Bird himself.

Want proof that getting compared to Bird is a one-way ticket to the Caucasian basketball graveyard? A list of players who've been identified as Bird-like reads like the roster of a CBA team sponsored by the KKK. There are the Dukies: Danny Ferry, Mike Dunleavy Jr., and Christian Laettner (according to Charles Barkley, "the only thing Christian Laettner has in common with Larry Bird is they both pee standing up"). There are the guys whose main qualification was playing college ball in the Midwest: Troy Murphy and Wally Szczerbiak ("a Larry Bird game, a Tom Cruise smile," one scribe said). There's the inexplicable: Australian Andrew Gaze. And the monstrously, hilariously inexplicable: center Eric Montross, whom Celtics exec M.L. Carr said was cut from the same cloth as the Birdman.

Since he entered the NBA in 1979, Bird has always been seen as the Great White Hope. That's because he's the Only White Hope. After the Celtics knocked the Detroit Pistons out of the 1987 playoffs, Dennis Rodman groused that Bird was "very overrated" and racked up MVPs because all the awards went to the best available paleface. Jack Sikma and Kurt Rambis didn't offer much competition.

"I think Larry is a very, very good basketball player. He's an exceptional talent," added Detroit's Isiah Thomas. "But I have to agree with Rodman. If he were black, he'd be just another good guy."

It's true that if Larry Bird were black, he would be just another player—albeit another really, really great one. According to the Web site Basketball Reference, the list of players whose statistics mirror Bird's most closely includes one German (Dirk Nowitzki) and six African Americans: Kevin Garnett, Antoine Walker, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, and Julius Erving. Instead of being classified with his true peer group—the Magics and Dr. J's—Bird has become the patron saint of slow-footed white guys like Troy Murphy and Adam Morrison. Such is the burden of the white archetype.

The Bird myth goes that he got no favors from his DNA but scraped by on his wits and work ethic. While he couldn't jump high, it's ludicrous to suggest that a man who continually outclassed the best athletes in the world wasn't blessed with natural athletic ability. I'm sure there are tens of thousands of Indiana farm boys who shot hoops as much as Bird did growing up, and none of them developed his remarkable shooting touch, not to mention his knack for rebounding. Does that come from hard work or innate skill?

The allure of the Bird comparison is that many of the qualities that made him great—his court vision, his anticipation, his leadership—are stereotypes associated with white basketball virtue. Take a look at these tidbits from Morrison's nbadraft.net scouting report: "Old school right down to the stripes on the socks ... Like a coach on the floor ... Great intangibles, competes and inspires others to play hard ... Fundamentally solid, does all the little things to help his team win ... Sees the floor well, and is creative finding teammates for baskets ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam." Let's run that through the racial translator: "[White] right down to the [white] on the [white] … Like a [white] on the [white] … [White, white] and [white] … [White], and is [white] … [White], but [he's really slow and also he's white]."

As far as we've come in pro sports, we've yet to reach the point where white basketball players can be comfortably compared to their black peers (and vice versa). One problem is that black basketball players don't have many white peers. The pool of modern-day African-American basketball stars is orders of magnitude larger than that of white ones. When it becomes clear that Grant Hill—or Harold "Baby Jordan" Miner, for that matter—isn't the next Michael Jordan, it's easy to ratchet things down a notch or 12. But if a white swingman falls short of Bird territory, revising him down to an appropriate level is almost too cruel. The next Tom Gugliotta? The next Brian Scalabrine?

To be fair to Adam Morrison, he is a better case study than his Caucasian brethren—he consciously modeled himself after Bird, even emulating his patented high-release shot. It's also true that the current player whose skills most align with Bird's is the Mavs' Nowitzki. Europeans like Nowitzki, Peja Stojakovic, and Pau Gasol come closer to matching Bird's size and skill than any of the stiff-legged white Americans now plying their trade in the NBA. Still, none of these guys are in the same league with Bird when it comes to passing or toughness—they just make the American guys look even more pitiful by comparison.

The folly of strict racial comparisons is clear when you try to conjure Bird's best historical analogue.

The only other scoring big man who could match Larry Legend's rebounding ability, floor-bound approach, and pure mastery of the space around him is Magic Johnson. And he isn't white.

A 1997 Sports Illustrated piece argued that the lack of white stars in the NBA has caused a "white inferiority complex." As a consequence, half-decent players become whites in shining armor. In that SI piece, Keith Van Horn complains that ever since he was in high school he felt the burden of being compared to Bird. Who did he liken himself to? African-American swingman Derrick McKey.

Bird is one guy who never had a white inferiority complex. Actually, he did—he thought every white player was inferior to him. Last year, Bird said in an interview that back in his playing days he "really got irritated when they put a white guy on me." Why did he care if whitey guarded him? "ecause it's disrespect to my game."

The fact that every fair-haired forward gets compared to the Celtics great means that Bird's leaden feet—rather than his scoring, rebounding, or passing—will be his legacy. Now that's disrespectful.

Josh Levin is a Slate assistant editor. You can e-mail him at sportsnut@slate.com.

Photographs of: Adam Morrison by Jesse Beals/Icon; Larry Bird by John M. McDonough/Icon SMI.

but what makes him different from MJ are their physical ability.  Michael is born to fly.  His mission is to titillate the fancy of basketball fans who love players scorching the highlight reels.  Ung kay Bird naman, utakan. he might not fly, he may not do that power slam or break ankles but his playing IQ levels that of Einstein.  sarap maging kakampi.  But all in all, it depends upon which type of game you want to..  Imagine NBA na walang mga dakdakero, walang MJ, walang kobe, walng Lebron, sa tingin mo, sino manonood ng NBA?baka magsara sila nyan,  maybe the few population of ur like, that i like to call fundamentalist.  masama din naman kung puro mga pa showtime ang mga players ng liga coz this will be a league of air-heads at mike wannabes at walang no-nonsense player na kagaya ni bird, oscar robertson, jason kidd, etc. na teamwork ang inuuna.

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Yun nagustuhan ko kay Bird yung IQ nya sa basketball. Sabi nga ni mchale "We played the game, I thought, the way it should have been played," McHale told the Boston Globe

Hindi naman magsasara ksi nung panahon ni Bird and Magic narejuvenate ang nba. 1979 nung dumating sila umayos nba.

Nagiba lng competition nung dumating yung mga high flyers. Talent na yung ngayon. Pero ang problem nalilimutan nila fundamentals. Kaya marami European players ngayon umaasenso.

Nung panahon naman nila Bird and Magic meron naman Nagdudunk, Si Julius Erving.

ANg napansin ko lng kaya marami nagkagusto kay jordan ksi si jordan ang sumunod sa pagiging Slam dunker ng Dr J. Eh Kumita pa sa karamihan ng mga tao kaya nagkaganun. Idagdag mo pa yung marketing ng nike na may air eh d marami tlga nagkagusto.

This time, allow me to pick ur bubble...  not because it is said by scoop jackson, so it be.  cno ba sya para paniwalaan namin?mas gusto ko pa nga si steve kerr kesa kanya.  did he came from heaven to say the truth? "There will be another michael jordan but there will never be another Larry Bird" ....hhhmm, pls elaborate more; (dirk nowitzki only needs some few more cockiness to break that scoop's gospel)...   so we may conclude that like scoop, Larry Bird's game is sooo good it also makes ur dick hard peace... :goatee:  naintriga tuloy ako, rumenta ako ng cd about ur Larry Legend, to know more and to  discover why there are Bird worshippers like you....then okey, i got ur point, like michael, he's such a nasty competitor, he never stop doing everything just to win.  Both got extreme competetiveness, really a mark of a Great Player.  what i really like about him is his creativity, making the most out of what he have; imagine taking a shot from behind the backboard, that's great...  Believe me, if im a NBA coach, i will sell my soul just to get players like him.  ultimate player, ultimate competitor...

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Ang sabi ko lng maganda yung description ni Scoop kay Bird. Kaya nagkaroon sya ng comment na "I'll be honest with you, sometimes Larry Bird played the game of basketball so good, he made my dick hard." Hindi naman ata literal yun. Usually pag pumupuri ang isang tao ng player ang sinasbi nagkakagoosebumps yung tao. Pero si Scoop "Tinitigasan"

Si Dirk Ang layo naman kay Bird. Court Vision na lng, Yung Presence nya sa Team Defense(Hindi Man to Man defense), Yung mga assists ni Bird sa mga teammates nya Grabe.

Si Dirk Scoring Machine lng eh. Wala sa game ni dirk yung Kinakatukatan ni Magic Johnson"

Ang alam ko lang pareha sila sa kulay. Pero nabasa ko sa internet si Adam Morrison "daw" parang next Larry Bird. Ipopost ko yung article na yun.

Marami na kinumpara kay Bird pero ang makukumpara ko lng ka bird ay si Magic Johnson.

ano sbi ni Charles Barkley nung kinumpara si christian laetner kay bird.:according to Charles Barkley, "the only thing Christian Laettner has in common with Larry Bird is they both pee standing up"

Il post yung point ko bkit "there will never be another Larry Bird."

Sabi nga ni Scoop Jackson. "There will be another michael jordan but there will never be another Larry Bird"

una inisip ko na racist remark yun pero nung nabasa ko yung article ni Scoop kung bakit si Bird mas gusto nya nagets ko na.

Yung laro daw ni jordan magagaya daw.

Pero si Bird pano mo gagayahin yung moves? yung Court vision? Ang dami puti na naglalaro sa nba pero kahit "shadow" lang ni bird hindi magaya.

Bkit para sa akin Greatest Player si Bird? ksi nung panahon ng 80s sobrang grabe competition. Compare nyo competition ng 60s, 70s, 90s sa 80s.

Meron na ba player na kagaya ni Bird na sasabihin sa simula ng game sa kalaban nya magiging score nya sa game? Meron ba player na sasabihin nya sa kalaban nya kung saan sya magshoshoot ng game winning shot?

Hindi lng na yan sinabi pero nagkakatotoo mga sinasabi nya.

Hindi naman mataas tumalon si Bird. Hindi rin Mabilis Tumakbo. Pero bkit Hirap bantayan?

Nung first year na dumating si Bird sa NBA hindi pa nya kakampi sila Mchale and Parish. Pero naidala nya sa Eastern Conference yung team nya. Ang record nila nung season 61-21.

The Previous year nung wla pa si Bird ang record ng boston 29-53.

Nung sophomore season ni Bird dun dumating na si Mchale and Parish dun nagchampion boston. Pero rookie pa lng si mchale nun at pang Apat na taon pa lng ni Parish.

Para sa akin kaya hindi greatest player si jordan. Nagchampion sya after 7years nung tumanda na sila magic, bird ,thomas.

Yung impact nya sa chicago nung early years nya hindi sa winning eh.

Kung nagchampion si jordan nung 80s kahit isa lng sya na greatest player.

pero dahil hindi sya nagchampion nung 80s ang twag sa kanya "ARGUABLY the greatest player"