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Ok thank you for not taking offense, and if I may be frank myself, Id like to start by saying medyo ginawa mong sobrang komplikado yung sagot mo. Its the equivalent of addressing a simple multiplication problem with integral caculus when the most important point that was raised was very simple. Even your analogies I feel are inappropriate. But nontheless, Ill try to address as much as I can. Sana di masyado mapahaba lang

it's not complicated, it's called thorough. why make it simple and open to interpretation that is not your point to begin with, right? that is how misunderstandings are created. even now, you try to make things "simple" when it is not.

1. The most important (but simple) point I was raising, is that we are all responsible for bettering our lives. Huwag mo naman ako masyadong gawing kontrabida parekoy, na parang wala akong puso. Hindi ko naman hinuhusgahan mga babae na nandito sa ganitong kalakaran. Ang sinasabi ko lang, sila ang may responsibilidad sa mga pinili nilang gawin sa kanilang buhay, at kung papabutihin nila ito, nasa sa kanila din yun at wala sa mga prince charming na nakasakay sa puting kabayo na pwede dumating. Yes I know, sometimes life itself makes it difficult for us to make righteous choices, but whatever our motivations for making those choices, we cant make excuses in the end. Sabi nga ni Abe Lincoln, even the most valid reason cant be used as an excuse. It is what it is. Now sige na, mahirap ang buhay kelangan kumayod ng konti at kumita ng sapat. Pero kung tatagal sila sa ganyang trabaho hangang malaos sila, hindi nila naman pwede ikatwiran na "eh kasi walang nagahon sakin eh". Kalokohan yun obligasyon mo na tulungan sarili mo kahit walang prince charming na dumating.

the point I was making is, "bettering our (their) lives" is not limited to your ideal of working hard, studying, opening up a business, etc. "Bettering (our) their lives" can also mean marrying rich and being a dutiful wife (or to put it in another way, "marrying wisely")

but of course, marrying rich is not a card everyone of this girl is dealt. what I'm saying is, if that card is dealt, and the girls turns it down for something less, that is idiotic.

It was never my position that these girl should wait forever for a so-called "prince charming"

2. Liberty works both ways, kung piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi, huwag naman natin silang tawaging tanga. Respetuhin na lang natin di ba? Kesa naman pilitin sila sa isang kalakaran na di naman nila kaya sikmurain. That is not idiocy, that is simply showing character, dignity, or self-love even. Not saying that those in the trade dont have any. Its just me simply saying thats something we all should learn to respect, as much as you dont want other people disrespecting women who are in the trade.

No, liberty works one way, it means only one thing.

Sorry, but that is a strawman argument. The choice is not as you say:

"piliin ng isang babae na mas maghirap na lang kesa magpahawak sa kung kani-kaninong lalake gabi gabi"

The choices are:

1.) to marry rich

2.) to work hard (laboriously) to get rich

So this strawman argument you are making is also a red herring. I won't follow you to that new, unrelated argument.

3. Yes everything in life has a price. But that does not mean the price always has to be monetary. My ex-gangster friend tells me how his life is so much different now that he has left the Japanese Mafia. Mas konti na lang kinikita nya. Hindi na sya nakakapunta sa mga mamahaling club sa tokyo, hindi na din sya nakakakuha ng mga high class na chicks. Mas simple na lang ang buhay nya ngayon sa country side. PERO he is more at peace with himself now. He no longer has to live his life looking over his shoulder, he no longer has to come into terms with being societies outcast. He says, that kind of peace is something all the money that he earned when he was still in the trade could never buy him. That feeling of looking in the mirror and liking the person you see. And he did succeed naman eventually making honest money. In fact now he sometimes help support groups for people with substance abuse problems. Goes to prove that it does not always need to be a tradeoff between a dignifying work and a well-paying one. Kung maabilidad ka naman na tao walang impossible. But if you are a person who likes making excuses then then its always convenient for you to say that "anecdotal stories" represent the exemption rather than the rule, when they are the exemption breaking rules. Labo ba? hehehe

Yes malabo.

Again, you can say that anecdotal stories are exemptions breaking rules, but that still does not change the rule...that exemption is disregarded. It's a fluke.

Don't get me wrong, that was an amazing and inspiring story, but it is irrelevant in terms of the "rule"

Let's put it in terms of numbers:

Your anecdote is the very special exemption out of say 1,000. So that is 1 vs 999. The rule is not based on the 1, it is based on the 999.

Do you now understand why anecdotal evidences are considered LOGICAL FLAWS?

Amazing? inspiring? Definitely yes, but only because it is rare and unique. But the rule is not based on the rare and unique, it is based on the very common, very ordinary.

But this is not me saying money is not important just to be clear. In fact, I have said in the other threads that the one element that is sure to attract women is money. Because money can represent a lot of things. That you are not a dead beat. That you can take care of your woman, that you have work at least at di ka lang tambay. Money can also buy things to make you more physically attractive. But all that is besides the point. When we talk about lasting relationships, you will need something more than money. I am sure that you want your lady to be in your life not just because of the money. You do want her kahit papano to geniunely care about you. Right? Kasi kung huhuthutan ka lang ng babae ng pera, hindi ka din magiging masaya sa huli.

 

In short balance ang kelangan which brings me to my next point

Yes, money cannot be the only factor that a woman chooses her partner, but it is the most important factor, everything else can come second.

Again, let me reiterate, money is a MEDIUM. The medium our capitalist society uses to represent VALUE. So if a woman choses a rich man, she is subconsciouly chosing that man's value, which could means his physical strength, intelligence, etc.

4. Sabi ko nga, never shortchange yourself pagdating sa mga lasting partnership. Hindi issue dito ang obligasyon ng lalake na buhayin ang babae at bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan. Ang pinaguusapan dito ang ang pagiging wise sa mga risk na kelangan natin pasukin. May dahilan kung bakit nasa huli lagi ang pagsisi. Mahirap masaktan sa huli parekoy. That way you have less reason to be insecure. I know, a womans love has a price, but its a matter of what will she ask from you to earn it. Kung pera lang habol nya sayo, hindi rin magiging masaya relasyon nyo. Kahit gaano pa sya magtagal sayo. There just wont be sincerity in there. And why shortchange yourself with that di ba?

Correct, they should be smart. Know the importance of money, and not based your decision on lust ("love") alone.

Too often, you read here men saying: "na-in love sila." So the f#ck what?

I fall in love with almost every 18 year old tight bodied piece of ass with a pretty face that I see everyday. It just means that the hormones in my body are reacting to the opposite sex. It's so banal.

I wanna close this, by saying na nilalawakan ko pangunawa ko para sayo parekoy. Alam ko kung bakit sa sagot mo palang, napaka passionate mo sa issue. Kasi nga, pinasok mo itong bagay na ito, kaya impossible na hingiin ko sayo na idetach mo sarili mo sa issue para objectively mapagusapan natin ito. Syempre inaasahan ko na lahat ng magiging sagot mo ay biased, at magiging validation sa lahat ng mga desisyon na ginawa mo sa bagay na ito na pinasok mo. Truthfully, and no pun intended, I wish you the best of luck at sana may happy ending na kahantungan ito. But to be honest, I am with the rest of the guys who say "whats worth doing this?"

I'm not being passionate about this because I'm in this relationship. I thought you read my original post. I'm not even promoting the idea of taking care of these women.

The point I have been making is this, if you don't have any f#cking money, don't even bother trying to take this type of girl for yourself. Simple isn't it?

BTW, I think you mean "Is it worth doing this?" And what I say to that is, it's worth $(x) amount of money.

Congrats parekoy kung nagkaroon ka ng happy ending. Pero sana huwag ka maiinsulto sa sasabihin ko. Ito ay opinion ko lang naman.

No offense taken. And I hope you don't take offense either, prangkahan na usapan lang bro.

Hindi ako agree na lalake ang dapat magalis sa isang babae sa ganitong kalakaran. Kung nilagay ng isang babae sarili nya dyan, sya ang may obligasyon na ialis sarili nya dyan.

You are presuming that the girl put herself in that situation willingly or flippantly...where's your empathy?...some women are even forced into that life by their family. Have a heart.

If it's a choice between hard labor with little money, or easy work with big payoff, the smartest choice is the latter. And that is the same anywhere, like say in retail, if you had to chose between selling 1 product to have a P1M profit or sell 1 million of a certain product to earn P1M profit, what would you chose? (in this analogy, you are able to sell either)

Only idiots will choose the former, that's the very definition of idiocy. And f#ck everyone who thinks that you need to suffer to have a better life. That's what smart people tell the dumb people to keep the dumb people working hard and thinking that things will get better for them, while the smart ones take advantage.

Bakit kelangan ibang lalake gumawa nito para sa kanya?

I'm not implying that the guy has to take the girl out of poverty. She can do whatever the f#ck she wants. And if that is going with a man who promised to give her a better life, who are we to tell her she can't? Do you know what the word LIBERTY means? and why it is considered as "self-evident, inalienable right"?

Tsaka ano yun? hindi ba para na ring pinagbibili ng babae pagibig at katapatan nya? Buhay nya yan, kaya sa huli responsibilidad nya pa din yan.

"Pinagbili?" You mean like Michael Jordan selling his athletic abilities (and technically his body) to the Chicago Bulls franchise? or Anne Curtis selling her beauty and charms and body (as an endorser) to any company that can pay her talent fee? or a white/blue collar worker who sells her time, mind and body to a company for a salary?

Tama ka, buhay nya yan, and like Michael Jordan, Anne Curtis, and ordinary workers, it's her responsibility...who are we to say that there is something wrong with "pinagbili and pag-ibig at katapatan"?

News flash: Everything is for sale, that is how life works. That is part of the natural order of things. Don't think of it in the very shallow manner of just the exchange of money...money is merely the medium used in our money-based economy to measure value. Michael Jordan had his value, which the Chicago Bulls paid for in money. So does Anne Curtis, and every other working individual.

Your parents' loved you, and they paid for it, with their time, mind, and body. Did you ask them bakit nila pinagbili sarili nila para lng syo?

Kaya nga ako, hanga sa mga babaeng nagawang ialis sarili nila sa kalakaran na yan, kahit hindi sila umasa sa mga pwedeng maging "prince charming" nila.

Mas hangga ako sa mga babae na hindi nagpakatangga, na meron ng lalaki na mahal sila and kaya sila iahon sa hirap, at pinili nila kahit na malayo ang diperensya ng estado nila sa buhay, kahit matahin pa sila ng mga inggitero/inggitera. In the end, she wins!

And what makes you think that women can't be in love with rich men? You do know that the basic premise of male and female relationship, is that the men flaunt their strengths while the women choose, and for humans in a capitalistic society, the measure of a man's strength is his wealth (i.e. money). For weaver birds, it's the male with the best looking nest. For the peacocks, it's the one with the biggest tail. For gorillas, it's the one who is physically strongest.

And it's f#cking sad, for some women, to choose to remain poor for some idiotic sense of "pride and honor" It's not pride to work yourself to death, when you could have chosen a different path and given yourself a better life, that's EGOTISM mistaken as pride. There is no honor in bearing a dozen children that you can't feed or send to school.

And it's so stupid when some women chose men because mabait or gwapo or may sense of humor yung lalaki, pero loser naman, walang pera and trabaho, 30 years old na palamunin pa rin ng magulang. I had an aunt, who when she was young, had a lot of rich and successful businessmen (friends of my father) interested in her, but instead she chose someone who was younger than her, no job, no money, a druggie, coz she makes her "happy"? made her laugh? now about 15-20years later, the guy she married still has no job, they have 2 children (the eldest is starting college), she just finished chemotherapy for breast cancer? and guess what, they didn't have money to treat her cancer and had to rely on her brothers and sisters.

Nagipon, nagaral, nagtayo ng maliit na negosyo, o kaya lumipat sa isang hanap buhay na kahit mas maliit ang kita, pwede nya naman tignan ang sarili nya ng mas may pride. Dito mo makikita kung sino yung babaeng handa magbayad ng kahit na ano para mabuhay ng marangal.

Do you know what Anecdotal evidence is, and why it's considered a logical flaw? because these kinds of stories are considered flukes, and no rational human being should be making life decisions based on a fluke, that's just stupid.

Parang yung mga pyramid scheme, they use anecdotal evidence. Let's say Jose is one of the first to join the pyramid scheme, and everyone who joined the scheme keeps on selling the story that Jose was now a millionaire because of the scheme, sure that is true! but what they don't tell you is that everyone who joined after Jose, never made any significant profit at all, and most of them lost their investments...

So, as amazing as it is for some girls to be able to make it out of poverty without marrying some rich guy, for every one of those girls, there are hundreds who never make it out of poverty, and waste away their lives in the slum, and breed like rats, and have their daughters end up in the same situation. It's so sad and pathetic.

Am I saying that all these girls should look for rich husbands, f#ck no! they can do whatever the hell they want, it's their life. What I am saying is, if they do choose to marry some rich guy to get out of poverty, it is totally OK, if not the smartest thing they could have done for themselves.

Lagi kong sinasabi sa mga parekoy dito, never shortchange yourself when it comes to relationship. Ikaw na din nagsabi, its reality you have to deal with. And reality is, hindi mo obligasyon bilang lalake na ialis sila sa kinalalagyan nila. Kung talagang desidido sila ipakita na deserving sila sa respeto at pagmamahal na kaya mo ibigay, eh di sila magalis ng sarili nila dyan. Kung hindi nila kaya gawin yun, eh di maghanap na lang ng iba na hindi ka bibigyan ng ganyang klaseng problema.

And my point is, if you are gonna do something like make a GRO and PSP your woman, don't be an idiot and think that all you need is "love"...that's bullshit! What you need is money, whether she is a GRO, PSP, college educated professional, it will f#cking cost you, like everything else in life! and if inasawa mo nga, syempre ibabahay mo, syempre aanakan mo, syempre pag-aaralin mo yung mga bata....and so on and so forth...so bottom line pera parin kailangan mo...hindi nakakabusog ang pag-ibig, hindi rin pwede pambayd ng rent or tuition. We live in a capitalistic society and not communist North Korea.

i am currently in a relationship with a PSP. she is also pregnant with my child (presumably). i dont know how long we would last. but here are some things worth noting:

 

 

-she is 18 years old, and has no children.

 

-she never asked for money. but if and when she runs out of money, she will go back to being a PSP. she'd rather be a PSP than ask her bf (me) for money.

 

-she is very low maintenance. below 10k living expenses. having said that, she is also very poor. she hates the things that typical girls like. i had to force her to get something from Forever 21. until now, she'd rather shop at divisoria. she is not as materialistic as most PSPs.

 

-she doesn't give much money to her family. i made a deal with her that if her family begins treating me like an ATM, she would have to choose between me and them. she told me "ikaw na ang pamilya ko, ikaw ang pipiliin ko."

 

-she compromises, although she is very very stubborn

 

-if we break up, she is going back to being a PSP. a psp will always be a psp when she is in financial troubles and when someone is still willing to pay for them

 

-all psp's have vices, mine is meth. she has given it up because of her pregnancy. i made it clear that i will break up with her if she goes back to it.

 

-we would have already broken up if i did not get her pregnant. but being in this situation, we saw ourselves in a different light, and in the process, fell deeper in love. back when she wasn't pregnant, she was still being a PSP, and doing meth. she just gave me free sex but never kept promises. when i told her i was already in love with her before she even got pregnant, she could not believe it. all she knew was that we were playing a game and she enjoyed it, but really could not sacrifice anything for me.

 

-we are very much in love, and are doing our best to make it work. she is trying to go back to normal life, trying to finish her highschool and all. while i am preparing myself for our child. i also told my family about it (only half of the story, of course). i am currently in hell for it, but the good thing that came out of it is now she trusts me. she saw what i sacrificed and in turn, she is committing to me too.

 

-her motivation is having a normal family, with a child who has a father. that is why she is doing things to keep me in the relationship. i almost left her once. i told her: i am going to leave her because she will always be a PSP no matter what, and i do not have time to deal with a meth addict. i will pay for child support and i will get lawyers involved when the child is 7, so our child will live with me. when i said it, i left her money and broke up with her. she went for me and told me she will do her best to be normal. she also returned my money.

 

-i am always ready to break up with her. while i love her very much ... i always keep it to myself that if she betrays me, i will not allow myself to feel bad if she does so. i keep telling her "you have a chance to live a normal life with no financial problems, with a man who loves you very much and is willing to be a family with you. do not betray my trust." i guess you can say it is important to always be prepared with PSPs ... you cant give them your everything and you should not allow yourself to keep on forgiving them for the same mistakes

 

-having said that, i am also careful not to betray her trust, because she will go back to her old life.

 

the way i see it, MPs and GROs and PSPs are just like us ... they have a lot of things to lose if they commit to a GM and leave their jobs. they are hesitant at first, because after all, it is not the first time they tried to have a relationship with a client, and they have had their hearts broken. if they can trust you, perhaps they can leave their old lives behind.

 

but then again, what do i know? ... to be honest, i dont even know what will happen to us.

I have a similar relationship, my partner was a GRO. We started out as fubu. Then I had to leave the country for work. Told her she can come with me or we break up. I'm not gonna pay (support) for something that is not mine.

She agreed to be mine, she stopped working, turned her into a housewife. Had some problems/fights in the beginning coz "nakakulong" lng sya sa bahay for months. Which is understandable coz she had to go cold turkey on her vices (alcohol, smoking, partying, friends), so there was some physical, emotional, psychological changes that she had to go through.

We don't give money to her family as well, although she does give some gifts to her younger siblings (stuff for school like bags, shoes, notebooks, and the like). Those things are fine.

I told her that it's not her obligation to support her family who wasted all her money when she worked as a GRO. That I am her family, and every money we have is for our future and our future children. No, we don't have children yet, I told her I don't plan on getting her pregnant until she turns 30. I want her to enjoy her youth, and I'm enjoying her youth as well

It's been 6 years and counting. Is this forever? I'm not a f#cking seer...nobody knows the f#cking future...What we do know is that 50% of all marriages fail, regardless of the woman's background.

My advice to other men in this situation, be a f#cking man! Take care of your lady, get her the f#ck away from her old life. If you can't afford to take care of your woman, don't even bother...be f#cking smart enough to know you are incapable of taking care of her, and save yourselves both the time and money. Love is merely a chemical reaction. Reality is what you have to deal with.

i would just like to post a question here i am married 36y/o an architect by profession. i have a steady mpa gf for 4 years now...... were almost hubby and wife already i dunno if we are expecting our first born cause she is been delayed and complaining of morning sickness...... my dilemma is she doesnt want to leave the mpa scene for the reason that she does not want to be dependent on me...... i get jealous when she goes to work i get jealous when she does "jokards" papano ba dapat ang gagawain ko....... sinasabi nya skin na wala daw ako dapat pagselosan sa jokards dahil purely professional lang naman daw ung services na bibigay nya outside the mp.... and ang second reason nya is pag nag jokards daw sya less time spent sa work more time daw spent skin kesa nasa mp sya ng 9 hrs........... is this true? natatakot lang kasi ako eh cause my understanding is when an mpa goes out with her guest sa labas it means close na sya dito. hindi ko naman sya mapigilan kasi ayaw nya pumayag na 2lungan ko sya to support her 2 kids...... totoo ba talaga na pag pumayag na kayo lumabas ksama ung guest is iba na un..... natatakot ako sa pwedeng gawin sa kanya dahil sa tingin ko wala ng restrictions ang services pag nsa labas na and anything goes. does she really love me? hindi ko alam..... im palnning to go to SG next year and sasama ko na sya............. to any of the girls here sana matulungan nyo ko............ I REALLY LOVE HER EH pero nasasaktan ako sa ginagawa nya papano ang gagawin ko? naawa nako sa sarili ko pero mahal ko talaga sya eh please give me a pm for your insigthts kasi kayo lang po makakapagbigay ng first hand info skin eh

hey, I'm a 31y.o. architect, 4 years ago I took a 20y.o. model/GRO for my girl, went to SG, got a job. Told her to come with me. (TOLD and not ask). We got registered at ROM (registry of marriages) to get her a dependent pass (we don't believe in "marriage" so we did it in SG in case the relationship fails, we can get divorced) Got her a waitressing job where she can earn as much as P50,000/mo. (part-time job though coz I still want her to focus on being my trophy wife) Told her not to give any money to her family (again TOLD not ask.), she has given them back tenfold the amount they spent raising her. I let her visit her family at least once a year when we go back to PH.

I guess the only difference is that your girl has kids (a deal breaker for me!) Oh, and when you said you are married, does that mean to the MPA, or does that mean you have a wife and you have an MPA gf?

BTW, in SG, you need to get an E-pass (work visa) with a minimum salary of SG$4,000 in order to get a dependent pass for your girl (and her kids). However, most new arrivals can only get between $2000-$3000.

So be realistic...

1. Most likely, you won't be able to get a dependent pass for her if you are new to SG

2. Unless she can be a submissive wife, there is no point trying to stay with her

I am the man in the relationship, I earn the most amount of money, therefore, like any other wife, she has to follow me and where my career takes me. My woman has learned her role in life, and that is to be my trophy wife (for now), and in the future to give me children (I'm waiting for her to turn 30 before I impregnate her, I want to enjoy her youth and let her enjoy being young. Having a young girl with a taut body in my bed is one of the reason I picked her.)

Our solution is simple meritocracy. The idea of being equal partners regardless of what you bring into the relationship is socialist bullshit!

You are effectively comparing the same person just a different version: groomed versus hardcore - but still have the same essential good looks isn't a fair comparison.

Yes I am, kasi nga experiment. You have to minimize the variables. That is why you see those shows having similar experiments use only one model, with two different looks, to minimize the variables, i.e. one observer might prefer someone with rounder eyes to almond-shaped, or dark hair to blond hair.

That is what you call the "control" in an experiment

Bad ass ba si Will Ferrell? What would be a better comparison is someone like Manny Pacquiao or some ugly UFC fighter versus Brad Pitt?

Ok then Manny Pacquiao vs. Brad Pitt, but still experiment would be flawed since you have too many variables.

So it is either, Brad Pitt groomed vs Brad Pitt the bad ass

or

Pacquiao groomed vs Pacquiao the bad ass.

But you have to take away fame and riches to effectively compare them to us commoners.

Ergo you use only Brad Pitt with two different looks, or Manny Pacquiao with two different looks. Cannot be Brad Pitt vs Manny Pacquiao, too many variables!

What is being asked here is "UGLY".

But what is "ugly"? Again, there are too many variables, that is why you have to use only one model for the experiment.

Examples:

Chito for Kaye Abad

Seal for Heidi Klum

Those examples would mean nothing, coz of the variables! Kilala mo ba cno mga kasabayan ni Chito, baka mas pangit pa sa kanya. Cno kasabayan ni Seal?

For me, it's also possible that ugly looking guy couldn't really hurt the girl's feelings because it's his loss and not the girl's.

I disagree, coz women are more emotionally invested in relationships, it's part of their biochemistry. We are assuming na nahulog na yung girl sa "ugly" guy right?

And what does that say about the girl, na tinapon lng ni "ugly" guy? I would presume na mas masakit ang ma-reject ng ugly guy!

From this link, some possibilities beautiful women ugly men

To which, my proposition is from the beginning, "an ugly guy is a bad ass, and a pretty boy is weak!"

I guess that is similar to the "Because ugly men have “stronger” genes?" in your list.

brad pitt isn't ugly in either of those two movies - it's still brad pitt

kaya nga, which one is more attractive for the women?

sa Fight Club, hardcore and gusgusin mukha ni Brad Pitt, while sa Meet Joe Black, sobrang groomed sya. (check out his pics on the web.)

nonsense naman kung Brad Pitt vs. Will Ferrel yung experiment mo, walang control.

coz basically, people all look alike it's just that evolution made our brains specially skilled in scrutinizing human faces. (and why we cannot differentiate the faces of other animals, i.e. a pig from another pig, or a chicken from another chicken)

from a naturalist perspective:

coz an ugly guy is a bad ass, and a pretty boy is weak! (check out nature shows, all the alpha males are nasty looking males covered with battle wounds who beat down all their competitors)

at the end of the day, women want men that can take care of them, and a pretty boy is weak!

experiment:

ask the women which one they find more attractive, Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Brad Pitt in Meet Joe Black

Nakakarelate ako dyan ngayon.. eto pinagdaanan ko.. ni live-in ko yung girl na 18yrs old.. sabi nya gusto na nya magbagong buhay, mag aaral daw at pagdating ng araw magsasama na kami. Dati ko lang syang kontak or GRO na meet ko sa isang bar.. Mga ilang beses kami lumabas nuong una, as in wala lang, tapos ayun na inlove na ko kasi halos kami palagi lumalabas at binibigyan ko sya ng pera. Nangako sya na magbabagong buhay sa tulong ko. So, pinagaral ko, pero ang hirap tol, naging seloso ako at walang tiwala minsan, kasi may mga klasmeyt sya na nag kakagusto sa kanya at di maiwasan kasi lookers sya talaga, maputi at matangkad napakaganda pa ng katawan. Away kami ng away, kasi minsan natatakot sya sa mga pagtatanong ko nagdedeny na sya.. ewan ko, pero naging asset ko yung girl na klasmeyt nya as in naging spy ko.. pare ang hirap lagi kang tatawag at tatanungin sa spy ko kung anong status ng gf ko sa school, kung may bf ba dun.. Hindi kami magkasama sa bahay, kasi andito ako sa Bulakan at minsan sa gabi lumuluwas ako para umuwi sa kanila at duon matulog. Ang kaso, pag gising namin sa umaga as in hiwalay na kami ulit at minsan tinatamad ako lumuwas. Nangyari na nga, dahil daw sa kakabintang ko sa kanya kaya ayun gusto daw nya ako saktan kung kaya sinagot nya ang klasmeyt nya na almost 2 sems na nanliligaw. Ang asset ko, di na nakapasok sa school kasi walang pang tuition.. kaya wala nako asset nuong nabalitaan ko nga na may bf na sya sa school nila. Nang nadiskubre ko ito, mga 2 weeks lang at nag buntis sya, sinasabi nya sakin na ako daw ang ama pero ang bukang bibig nya palagi ay ipapalaglag daw nya kasi sagabal daw sa buhay nya at gusto pa nya mag aral at makatapos. Sa asar ko sinabihan ko sya na siguro hindi sa akin yan baka sa bf mo yan kaya sige ipalaglag mo kung gusto mo at hiniwalayan ko sya. So, wala na ako sa buhay nya at bumalik sya sa pag pasok sa bar habang patapos na ang semmester. Mga 1 month din bago sya bigla tumawag at nalaman ko na pinalaglag nga nya, so wala nako magawa di ko tuloy alam kung ano ang totoo. Kinausap nya ko at nag sabing gusto na nya mag sama ulit kami at magkabalikan, hiniwalayan nya matagal na daw ang bf nya at fling lang daw iyun at wala talaga nangyayari sa kanila.. so dahil nga sa mahal ko sya kaya nakumbinse nya ko ulit na bumalik sa buhay nya.. Inilipat ko sya sa ibang school pero nanduon parin ang bagong tukso, may mga nanliligaw na naman at nagtetext sa cp nya na lubos kung ikinagagalit, di raw nya kilala ang mga iyon at malamang kinuha lang ang number nya sa kaklase nyang babae rin. Paulit ulit ang ganitong senaryo hanggang nabuwisit nako at di nako umuuwi sa kanila, pinutol ko na din ang sustento na binibigay ko sa kanya at pinatigil ko na nga sya sa pagaaral. Palagi ko rin sinusumbat sa kanya ang nakaraan nila ng bf nya sa unang school na pinasukan nya. 1 month hindi ako nagpakita sa kanya at di narin ako nagbibigay ng pera at pakiramdam ko pinaparamdam ko sa kanya ang galit ko. Minsan sinundo nya ako sa isang lugar at di ko sya pinansin at umalis ako na di sya kasama, hindi pa sya nakuntento dahil sumunod na araw ay pinuntahan nya ako sa trabaho at sinusundo para umuwi. Pinagtabuyan ko sya at pinauuwi ngunit di talaga sya pumayag na hindi ako sasama sa kanya. Pinagsasalitaan ko narin sya ng maanghang na salita at pinagtulakan na bumalik nalang sa dati nyang trabaho at ayoko na talaga. Wala parin nangyari at sumama parin ako pauwi pero sa motel kami tumuloy, sinabi ko nalang na uuwi ako ng bieyernes kasi may pasok pa at maraming dapat gawin. Dumating ang mga sumunod na araw at nagtetext sya pero di ko narereplayan, umaasa sya na uuwi ako ng biernes at hindi na ako galit. Ngunit dumating ang biernes at wala ako sa kanila, hindi ako umuwi dahil plano ko ay kinabukasan nalang araw ng sabado. Nagtext sya na hindi raw sya makapaniwala na wala na talaga ako sa kanya, pero umaasa syang uuwi ako at ayaw na raw nya bumalik sa ganung klase ng trabaho. Pero nereplayan ko sya ng pang asar natext kunwari at pinapabalik ko sya sa bf nya sa school, ngunit ang totoo ay surprise sana na uuwi ako ng sabado. Araw ng sabado at tinanong ko ang tiyuhin nya kung anong ginagawa pero wala daw sya sa bahay at ang alam nya magdamag daw di makatulog ang gf ko kakahintay sakin. Sabi ko, wag mo nalang sabihin tumawag ako di ko din sinabi na uuwi ako surpresa nga kasi. Mayamaya ay nagtext ulit ang tito nya at nasa bahay naraw sya ng gf ko ngunit wala pala ang gf ko. Umalis daw at naghanap ng trabaho kasi sumuko na daw at di na umasang uuwi pa ako. Malamang bumalik sya sa dati nyang trabaho. Sa makatuwid ako ang na surprise, di ko akalain na dinamdam nya ang text ko, at nagdecide syang umalis. Napressure daw eto ng nanay nya dahil 1 month na pala silang walang ilaw at naputulan at malaki ang babayaran kasi at may tuition pa ang kapatid nya na dapat bayaran, at mag papasko nga naman daw e wala silang pera at kuryente. Parang nakonsensya tuloy ako ngayon at parang awang awa ako sa kanya, wala kaming kontak kasi binawi ko rin ang cellphone na binigay ko sa kanya bago ako umalis ng bahay nila sa huling pagkakataon. Pakiramdam ko ay nasulsulan yata ng nanay na walang konsensya at pumayag na pagtrabahohin ulit sa ganun. Pakiramdam ko ay nasayang lang ang 1 1/2 years na pag papa aral ko sa kanya. Kasi pwede naman na syang mag hanap ng matinong trabaho. Katwiran ng ina ay wala daw panglakad ng requirement at pera. Pinapauwi ko sana sa kanila pero pakiramdam ko ay ayaw na ng nanay nya na bumalik sya agad o umuwi kasi kikita nga naman agad ang anak nya duon sa bar kung saan man yun diko alam. Wala rin ako narereceive na text galing sa kanya. Parang galit na galit siguro sya sakin sa mga nangyayari ngayon. Tanong ko lang, dapat pa ba ako makipagbalikan sa kanya at pauwiin ko sya at makisama ulit. Hiwalay na ako sa asawa matagal na. Tama ba na may guilt feeling ako ngayon o mahal ko pa ba talaga sya o lust nalang etong nararamdaman ko. Kasi lagi ko iniisip na malamang na take-out na yun kasi hindi naman siguro makakaipon agad ng pera yun kong botebote lang diba. Pangako nya kasi sa nanay nya na mag papadala sya ng pera agad pang pabayad sa kuryente. Pakiramdam ko ay ayaw narin nya umuwi kasi parang napahiya siguro sya sa mga kapitbahay nila duon kasi hindi ko na sya sinisipot o inuuwian.. kala ko ako lang ang may ganitong experience. so anong payo nyo mga bro?=)

Take her family out of the picture! They're worthless! That's the only way you can make it work.

Historically, when a woman is married off to a man, she becomes the man's property. With the age gap, don't treat her as an equal partner.

Having a cordial relationship with in-laws only work if you share the same financial status.

As for her going back to school, what for? Trophy wives are meant to be pampered. If she wants to work, employ her yourself, give her some mundane job like be your secretary, or a cashier, at minimum wage. She doesn't need the money, you own her!

Planning to go on the 2nd week of May, does anybody know the contact number for South of the Border resort in White Beach? TIA!

guys my half brother is just 2 years old

 

i like kids a lot

and i couldn't care any less if my dad is screwing around...

 

the thing here is that for a person like me that loves to be around kids and play with them

i have no emotions whatsoever for the half-brother of mine

 

i am choosing to run away from the situation

i am choosing not to recognize him as my brother

How much time have you spent with your brother?

When you say you like kids a lot, in what sense? Kids of your friends? Nieces & nephews? Or complete strangers? (Context please)

If it's kids of friends, nieces and nephews, isn't it possible that your affections towards them are extensions of your affections to their parents?

If you expected to develop instant brotherly affection towards your half-brother, then you have been duped by hollywood! Nobody reacts like that to a strange kid!

Do you think loyalty to your mother can be a factor?

If you choose to run away, if you choose not to recognize the kid, you've already closed your mind, that's you prerogative!

But if you are looking to have a relationship with the child, then just like any relationship, you have to make an effort to build one!

Sorry, I jut couldn't resist replying to this post.

 

Nothing? Having a half-sibling younger than I am would mean that my father was unfaithful to my mother and loved the other woman so much to have a child with her. Something is wrong with that. Having a half-sibling older than I am is less painful because at least that means my father chose my mother over the mother of the first child.

Yes nothing!

So what? Maybe you're father doesn't "love" your mother anymore! Maybe you're mother doesn't "love" your father anymore either! There are a hundred possibilities! And you being their child, have absolutely no say in the matter at all! What you want them to be in a loveless marriage, for your sake? Then you're delusional! The only responsibility of a parent is too ensure the successful rearing of the child, whether they stay together, divorce, re-marry, have other children, is completely their prerogative! Maybe you should read up on the studies by biologists, sociologists and anthropologists before you start criticizing the life of others!

But if the truth about the first child was kept a secret, something is also definitely wrong with that.

And what if it was kept a secret? Especially, from shallow-minded people that look-down on bastard children. The parent is protecting his/her child from hateful people!

(NOTE: Bastard is a term to refer to an offspring from unmarried parents, the negative connotation of the word is brought about by the hateful bigotry of ignorant people)

Seriously, are you a robot or something? I am less likely to care about my father's "success" in the propagation of his species. People would normally not feel so happy to know Daddy has another child.

Seriously, have you even attempted to study this issue before you started writing your holier-than-thou comments? I was trying to help the thread starter deal with this issue by giving him a multi-disciplinary perspective!

People would normally not feel so happy to know Daddy has another child.

How would you know? How many studies have you done! How many people from polygamous family have you interviewed? How many people from polyamorous families have you interviewed? How many half-siblings have you interviewed? Have you seen the kind of relationships that half-siblings that grew up together have?

What's your basis for what people would "normally" feel? Maybe it's normal for you, but don't presume how others would feel!

And if you're asking what my basis is, just refer to my latest reply to the thread starter!

And if Daddy is very rich, I will not be so happy to know someone is going to get a cut from my inheritance.

That is greedy! Do you give money to charity? How could you give money to people unrelated to you, and yet you would deprive someone who is your flesh and blood of inheritance that is rightfully theirs? That is just selfish!

And by the way, any money your parents have, is their money not yours! Don't presume that you deserve it!

I hope you are an only child, any siblings you have should be careful with dealing with you and YOUR inheritance!

Reminds me of all those pathetic characters on tv/movies of bad Filipino dramas fighting over their inheritance!

And there's always the issue of jealousy, among countless other things.

And what? Full-siblings never get jealous of each other? Are you an only child? You must be, your reasoning is completely unrealistic!

I say, let's all be human for a while and try to put ourselves in the shoes of the thread starter. Family matters are matters of the heart more than of the mind.

Yes, let's be human, intelligent, thinking humans! Instead of the unthinking, ignorant, and emotional kind, which makes us no better than animals! The heart is just a muscle that pumps blood, any person that uses his heart to assess a situation instead of taking time to think and study all the different perspectives, will never find any peace of mind!

Heck, the reason people ask for advice in situations like this, is that they are overwhelmed by their emotions, and they are looking for objective, non-emotional drivel!

sir do you have a half-sibling? if so, please enlighten me on how you felt when you found out... thanks

No, but both my parents are from second family! I have two uncles that had second families as well! All get along well, except for one of the wife of one my uncles!

The only problem I see, are the insecurities of the children (my cousins), and I always tell them, don't let society's close mindedness bring them down! Throughout human history, the most common paradigm of the family has always been 1 men with multiple wives!

The 1 man, 1 wife paradigm becoming the norm in society is a fairly recent evolution of the family unit. Generally, after world war I, this post-war propaganda was started to repopulate the deciminated populace.

Consider that 50% of all marriages fail, then you have polyandry, polygyny, polyamorous, serial monogamy...all of this should tell you that having a half-brother is the norm in society, and that a strictly monogamous relationships are in the minority!

So whatever dilemma or issues you have with having a half-brother (embarrassment?), is only because of the social conditioning that the Filipino society has fostered, which is prejudicial, wherein anything that is different with the prescribed norm is wrong!

guys...

 

just a quick question...

 

i'm still confused right now, discovering that i have a brother from another mother...

 

i still don't know how to react...

why? can you give more details?

1. there's nothing wrong in having a half-sibling

2. from the biological perspective, he is one more person who will potentially propagate your father's genes, which you have in common, and you have a vested interest in his success.

3. if your issue is your father having a another wife, that is none of your business, unless in doing so, your father fails to provide for you and your mother and her other children's needs

4. the monogamic family model, is the least common family model in the whole world, in the whole of human history.

5. the most powerful men in the world, tend to have multiple wives to bear him several children, ensuring the success of his genes.

6. in a couple of generations, your father will be forgotten, whatever he contributed to society will be forgotten, the only thing that will matter in the future are his surviving descendants, and you having a half-brother means the chances of your father's success has just increased, that's a good thing!

the question should be, "why would it be wrong?"

until society comes up with a valid and logically sound answer, then there is no reason why it should be a problem. truth be told, this was the norm throughout history, up until about the last century.

my colleague's ex-girlfriend is a news correspondent for GMA7, Bernadette Reyes. What a freak! She would call our office and hang-up repeatedly! When one of us in the office answers her calls, she would tell elaborate lies so that my colleague would answer her calls! Ask a common friend of theirs to call my colleague and tell him that she is threatening to jump off their building if he won't speak to her. We'd tell our colleague to call her bluff, so that he won't have to deal with the lunatic.

because the hour was up, and I didn't want an extension...

Falling In Love But Not Getting Horny, Not Wanting Or Having Sex ???

ABNORMAL!

How can you show an MPA that your intentions are sincere?

Sincere? In what way? You want to marry her, have kids with her, take care of her? Well, how do you show a non-MPA your intentions are sincere?

How can you make them believe you want to help without anything in return?In my case, she wants me to help her by going back to the MP which I really do not want to do.

I don't believe it either! All social interactions have a give and take relationship. Nothing is more insulting to common sense than when someone tells you they will help you without anything in return.

You are a friend to someone because you receive support or companionship or share a conversation, or whatever...you always get something in return. The moment you don't get anything in return, is the moment you lose the friendship.

With the case of women, either we need them as a friend, or we need them sexually (as gf, fubu, wife.) If your "sincere intentions" is of the friendship type, then patronizing her profession is the best way, just like if you have a doctor friend, you patronize his medical practice.

But if your "sincere intentions" is of the romantic type (implying sexual intentions as a necessary component), then own up to it! If she does not reciprocate, then that's it, "basted ka!" End of story, just like with non-MPA women!

I volunteered to buy her groceries instead but I don't want to be a cash cow.

Why? She works in an MP because she probably needs to pay for rent & utilities, support a family of deadbeats, and a hundred other reasons.

Are you asking her to stop working as an MPA? Can you help support all her financial needs?

If you have real "sincere intentions" then patronize her! Don't insult her intelligence by buying her groceries, then make demands that will affect her financial well-being!

In summary, I just want to get rid of the "Guest" tag that she puts on me. Either way I think it is a lose-lose situation.. any suggestions?

How do you get rid of the "friend" tag from a non-MPA girl you like? It's the same thing! If a non-MPA girl doesn't reciprocate your feelings, what do you do?

It is a no-win situation, just like when a non-MPA girl rejects your "sincere intentions", and you still keep on courting her!

Unlike the non-MPA women, MPA's are a lot simpler, they don't have irrational and frivolous needs you have to understand and fulfil. Their primary concern is their financial well-being! If you can satisfy this, and if she is attracted to you, then she will choose you.

I'm just wondering why we guys are so unforgiving and so harsh with our GFs who have cheated, and have been caught because they get pregnant.

 

And what about us? We do cheat our GFs, and just because we don't get pregnant, or have the slimmest chance of getting pregnant (unless you're like Dr. Alex Hesse -- Arnold Schwarzenegger -- in the movie "Junior" ) we can get away with it?

From the gene centric point of view, we are programmed to replicate (sex being the mechanism), and while the males of the species produce millions of sperms a day, the females produce only 1 egg per month, and if impregnated, she has to bear it for another 9 months, and rear it until the offspring is capable of taking care of itself.

The male's investment (energy) is little - can produce millions of sperms a day - ergo cheap. To ensure successful replication, having more than one female to bear an offspring is prudent. Also, we must consider the competition, who have the same programming!

The female's investment is a lot more, as well as time consuming (as mentioned above), ergo, we would want our female to expend all her energies to our own genes, rather than the competition!

Consider the parallels in nature:

1. some species have the ability to scape of the "sperm" of his competitor from the female's reproductive organ, to ensure that it is his genetic contribution that is successful in fertilizing the female.

2. some species, when a male has won the harem of another male, will k*ll all the offspring of the former, to ensure that all the female in the harem will spend their energy on having and rearing his offspring!

These are the undelying biological mechanism of a sexually reproducing species that manifest in our psychological nature! Men are sperm donors whose biological success is measured by the number of offsprings (the more women you f#&k, the more chances of fertilization per mating period)and women are incubators (who are limited to 1 offspring per mating period - of course multiple births like twins, triplets, etc....are in the minority)

Take away all romantic notions, nature or the universe doesn't give a damn how in "love" you are with your GF or wife, all it cares about is that you replicate successfully, and your offsprings, and their offsprings, and so on!

So if your female cheats, men are unforgiving and harsh, because she becomes useless in the male's agenda. The resources (money, time, energy) spent in securing her as a mate, has been wasted!

With regards to the cellphone, she didn't ask me to buy it right out. She told me if I knew someone who had a credit card we could borrow to buy the cellphone. Probably just a more subtle way of saying "I want you to buy me a cellphone". I told her I don't have the money and expected her to ignore me after that. She said we could share the cost and she would help me out.

Hmm... I've encountered this and read about this from others as well. Why not be brutally honest with the girls and tell them, that buying an expensive new cellphone is nonsense (when you can buy one for a mere P2k)! That she could put her money to better use, for rent, food, school, savings, rainy day fund, etc...Instead of sheepishly telling them that you don't have the money?

Aside from being true, and teaching her the responsible thing to do with money, it also serves as a test to see if she is using you as a cash cow.

Bro, saludo ako sayo. Unless you've done it live w/ you're MPA girlfriend, have yourself check for Hepa B. It's a common causeof cervical cancer and according to a MPA I know who's also a registered nurse this is the definitive endgame disease for sex workers notwithstanding HIV.

FYI bro, Hepa B affects the liver and can cause liver cancer. HPV (human papillomavirus) infection is an STD that causes cervical cancer. Unlike HIV where you can get by doing it live, you can get HPV even if you used a condom, and though men are safe from contracting cervical cancer, you pass it on to every female you have sex with, with or without condoms!

The incubation of HPV varies from weeks to months to years, but seeing that loveko's MPA girlfriend has already been diagnosed with cervical cancer, the probability of loveko being a carrier of the virus is quite high!

HPV is highly contagious in that, you don't even need to have penetrative sex to get the virus, that is why, condoms don't offer protection at all.

can i ask some advise or option about this kasi...

 

i meet this girl na nagwowork sa massage parlor sa Quezon ave ng time na yon tapos we hang out few months all a sudden tinanong niya ako kung gusto daw siya igarahe nalang siya...so sagot ko di ko kaya pero kung gusto mo i'll help you na magbago pero sa inyo ka magstay don tutulungan kita start a small business para sa future niya at ng mga anak niya( husband nag-abroad daw di nauwi 4 yrs na yata), ito ang one of worst part ng problem nalaman ko may cervix cancer siya maaaring nakuha o palala dahil sa line ng work niya dati, she been confined sa ospital due to much discharge of blood galing sa ovary niya siguro almost 2 months siya don, di ako makapunta pero i send some financial help, start ng problem dumating sa point nalaman ng wife ko about kanya, sa family niya even sa relatives niya kung ano work niya at tungkol sa amin na at may communication pa kami dahil don. ang worst part lahat ng financial at moral support galing sa family at relatives niya nawala na lahat... so meaning wala siya ibang aasahan iba maliban sa akin and some help from co-mpa's niya, she begging me ilabas daw ng ospital, ginawan ko ng paraan para ilabas don at ihanap ng boarding house to stay herein at province i dont realized na ang medication niya ay continues pa up to now which is medyo mabigat din... to cut story short di ko alm kung inlove ba ang tawag don or nagpakatanga lang... sa ganon na set-up kasi married din ako...even my friends and my wife ask me WHY? ang question na hanggang ngayon di alam kung bakit patuloy parin ako it's LOVE ba talaga or AWA kasi alam ko wala ibang malalapitan or will help...

Woah, first things first, cervical cancer, caused by the HPV virus (human papillomavirus) is a sexually transmitted disease wherein the men are the carriers, so get your wife vaccinated, before it is too late! Though the HPV virus is relatively harmless to us men, it is passed from one female to another through us. So do this one responsible thing for your wife! (and in case you are wondering, no, condoms do not offer protection against the transmission of HPV)

Secondly, this "love" from the gene-centric perspective is, men are genetically programmed to protect and take care of their women, who carry their offsprings. However, our genes do not have cognitive abilities, that is why there are misfirings, just as when a bird takes care of a cuckoo's egg. However in your case, you do not have any stake with her (no children), as well as you lack the resources. In conclusion, your situation is a misfiring of your genetic programming.

I posted not a while back about falling for an MPA and a GRO...now at the same time,Before, I was in college and I was spending some else's money. Since I was younger, the MPA was spending money on me and I had a natural GF ( my classmate in college who eventually became a nurse immigrated to the USA),the GRO was kinadda older than me at that time, but was very understanding and supportive, however she got hooked with a foreigner and disappeared. now fast forward...I am older and spending my own money, with a family, yet instead I got hooked with an MPA and a GRO..The MPA i know is lying but I love to help her kid and parents. The GRO is way too young, when we are on a date at high end places, I look like the uncle or a sugar daddy. yet age is just a number according to her. something has to give way. I dunno.

so what if you look like a sugar daddy? i kind of prefer it, sugar daddies imply men of power, success, money! f#&k the so-called social norms! people who would think of it as something negative, are merely jealous of you, don't let their insecurities bother you! anytime that people give unsolicited criticism on other peoples private life choices, it's a sign of their own insecurities.

i jokingly tell my girl that i'm her sugar daddy, she's a few years younger than me, and i enjoy the fact that i can take care of her ('coz all real men can take care of their women ), i enjoy the ego boost!

i look up to the Lucio Tans, the Eraps, the Revillas, men who are rich and powerful, with their harem of young and beautiful mistresses!

what is pathetic are men who have the audacity to have mistresses but are unable to take care of their women and love-children.

i guess not. but what im referring to is the post i answered. kindly read it. it states that gros are experts in making men fall in love with them, that they exist in that place to wwork and not fall in love. i aswered partly true because some dumb gros ends up being a mistress of their clients. READ!!! that means they havent done their job cause instead of making men fall for them they ended up falling too. right?

i did...why so touchy? but to be taken as a mistress means that their client "fell in love with them"...regardless of what they actually feel for the client, they performed their job as was described! and who said that them falling in love, if they chose to is out of the question? (that is in response to you and to the post you replied to!)

you asked a hypothethical question "is it dumb to choose to be the mistress of a rich man, as opposed to being the only wife of a tricycle driver, or even an ordinary office worker?"

and what is wrong with asking a hypothetical question? why get so worked up about it? this is a discussion thread isn't it? am i not allowed to express my own opinion? did i offend you somehow?

honest answer to a tricky question. no. cause thats being practical and you dont need to be a rich man to have a mistress. hell even tricycle drivers and ordinary office employees have mistresses.

then we agree! furthermore, tricycle drivers and ordinary office workers having mistresses is already a red herring, let's no go there!

let me ask you then, is it dumb being a wife of a tricycle driver or an ordnary office employee, as opposed to being a mistress of a rich man?

yes, i believe so! especially if you are an extremely beautiful woman, as supported in the article from Psychology Today...

(if you haven't read it from the last page, I'll post it again)

Most women benefit from polygyny, while most men benefit from

monogamy

When there is resource inequality among men—the case in every human

society—most women benefit from polygyny: women can share a wealthy man.

Under monogamy, they are stuck with marrying a poorer man.

The only exceptions are extremely desirable women. Under monogamy, they can

monopolize the wealthiest men; under polygyny, they must share the men with

other, less desirable women. However, the situation is exactly opposite for men.

Monogamy guarantees that every man can find a wife. True, less desirable men

can marry only less desirable women, but that's much better than not marrying

anyone at all.

Men in monogamous societies imagine they would be better off under polygyny.

What they don't realize is that, for most men who are not extremely desirable,

polygyny means no wife at all, or, if they are lucky, a wife who is much less

desirable than one they could get under monogamy.

whatever your answer is then that answers your question.

thank you!

Is it really possible for a relationship with a GRO to succeed if you are just a regular guy? I mean if you are not rich enough to sustain what she makes, and rather just visit her once in a while and have dates etc. Based on my experience, every night she meets guys and she does the deed with some of them. It would be very hard to stay with just one guy in this situation as they would always be tempted to have multiple boyfriends. This is what happened with me. I just could not endure it anymore so I gave up.

yup, if you can take her away from that lifestyle...take her out of the club, stop her from seeing multiple men who are doing everything they can to get into her pants everynight...it's just common sense!

it's the same with all animals, the males will fight and k*ll (compete) for their territory (which means land and women), and humans being biological entities as well, we share the same dilemma...

although in human terms, we compete through our abilities, which is reflected by monetary gains, which we use to assert our dominance over other males...

the more attractive the female, the more competition, the more you need to dominate your competition...

the ordinary guy who fails to compete and dominate, is left with the less attractive female, with which he has less competition...