vheRR

March 28, 2011

Well, considering the alternative, is it "atheist" inspired? Hmmmm... no... Communism, Soviet and China models, are indeed ATHEIST inspired.

... ATHEISM ba ang "PANGUNAHING DAHILAN" sa PAGKAKAROON ng COMMUNISM?

March 26, 2011

"If you pray for rain long enough, it eventually does fall. If you pray for floodwaters to abate, they eventually do. The same happens in the absence of prayers. "

- Steve Allen

March 8, 2011

cbr600rr,

The trouble with this "innate moral anchor hardwired into our genes" (as suggested by vherr), is that it is different for every individual. Hence, vherr, mindful of that, can not offer a definite answer for a specific scenario. The "innate morale code" is different, say, for the Nazis as it is from Mahatma Gandhi.

"IBA" ang ILONG KO sa ILONG MO at sa ILONG NIYA…

"IBA" ang KULAY ng BALAT KO sa KULAY ng BALAT MO at sa KULAY ng BALAT NIYA…

… kaso, HUWAG MO pa rin KALILIMUTAN,

… "PARE-PAREHO" pa rin TAYO na MAY ILONG,

… "PARE-PAREHO" pa rin TAYO na MAY BALAT.

I can see the cold logic of the Nazis, mind you. There is logic to that brand of madness. Why not k*ll off the "unclean" and rid the human genetic pool of retards and misfits? Why not, indeed? Ah, but yes, my moral anchor, centered on God, prevents me from fully subscribing to that notion. However swayed I am by pure logic, I KNOW that there is a higher moral anchor that as a human being I must follow. Otherwise, I am just an animal. A logical animal, but an animal nonetheless.

… talaga?

… hindi nga?

… halimbawa na isang RETARD o MISFIT ang "ANAK MO",

… PANINIWALA lang ba sa DIOS ang PUMIPIGIL sa IYO na PATAYIN ang "ANAK MO"?

... ANO kaya ang DAHILAN at HINDI MAIWAN ng INA na ito ang KANYANG PATAY nang ANAK,

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2010/04/100426131426-large.jpg

Video still of chimp mother with mummified infant. (Credit: Oxford University/Dora Biro)

How Chimps Deal With Death: Studies Offer Rare Glimpses

"We observed the deaths of two young infants -- both from a flu-like respiratory ailment," Biro said. "In each case, our observations showed a remarkable response by chimpanzee mothers to the death of their infants: they continued to carry the corpses for weeks, even months, following death.

.....

"Chimpanzees are humans' closest evolutionary relatives, and they have already been shown to resemble us in many of their cognitive functions: they empathize with others, have a sense of fairness, and can cooperate to achieve goals," Biro said. "How they perceive death is a fascinating question, and little data exist so far concerning chimpanzees' responses to the passing of familiar or related individuals either in captivity or in the wild. Our observations confirm the existence of an extremely powerful bond between mothers and their offspring which can persist, remarkably, even after the death of the infant, and they further call for efforts to elucidate the extent to which chimpanzees understand and are affected by the death of a close relative or group-mate. This would both have implications for our understanding of the evolutionary origins of human perceptions of death and provide insights into the way chimpanzees interpret the world around them."

So again atheists, without God, what should be man's moral anchor? There is a post here somewhere that suggested "we try something else" (other than the God moral code). So ok, what then? Supply the alternative.

... BALIKAN ang AKING POST #177,

… at WALANG IBINIGAY na MORAL CODE ang DIOS MO,

… DAHIL HINDI TOTOO ang DIOS MO.

March 8, 2011

Comment ko naman kay vheRR:

Judging from your posts, shared articles, and even your signature which includes the quote "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.", it appears that you feel that people who believe in God are somewhat foolish, or borrowing the words of Mr. Russel, "the stupid are cocksure".

However, what you have to appreciate (although not necessarily accept) is that, we who believe in God, are fully cognizant of and accept the facts ...
... that we have no empirical and physical evidence to show you that God exists, but we go on believing anyway.
... that for some people like yourself and Mr. Russel, this belief may make us look foolish or even stupid, but we go on believing anyway.
... that believing in Him and "TRYING OUR DARNDEST BEST" to follow His ways may put us at a survival dis-advantage, but we go on believing (and TRYING) anyway. (TRYING being the operative word!)

… ang kaso,

… HIGIT na MARAMING THEIST pa rin ang HINDI TULAD ng IYONG PANANAW at PANINIWALA,

… HIGIT na MARAMING THEIST pa rin ang "NAGTITIYAK" na TOTOO ang DIOS NILA,

… HIGIT na MARAMING THEIST pa rin ang "NAGSASABI" na MAYROON SILANG PATUNAY,

… HIGIT na MARAMING THEIST pa rin ang "NANINIWALA" na MAYROON SILANG SAPAT at MATIBAY na PATUNAY.

You see, to me and many others, we feel that it's off the mark when others say that people who believe in God are "cocksure". Please understand that God fearing people are never really sure in the sense that we have black and white proof, we just simply believe even - without hard direct proof. Please understand that holding on to this belief is a life long adventure. You see, this belief is often shaken whenever disaster strikes or during serious crisis in health, family, or relationships occurr. During these trying times, keeping this faith and belief in His presence and goodness despite all the overwhelming arguments to the contrary is a extremely difficult and self-inflicted burden.

Self inflicted because it is a choice. We can choose to carry the faith and continue to put ourselves at a survival dis-advantage and be branded by people as "stupid, cocksure". Or, take the easy way out and take the route of "the intelligent", and eventually rule out God in our lives.

Maybe you'd agree with me that the former, although you may consider it as "stupid", is the more difficult choice. So, even if you don't share this belief, you must at least appreciate and have a healthy respect for the difficulty and burden that people take on in this life long challenge of believing. I do hope that you are not as arrogant as Mr. Russel, by not being able to appreciate the depth and difficulty level of what God fearing people are trying to achieve.

When their faith is shaken and their belief is put in question, and then someone puts forth the option to believe in MAN BEING A SOCIAL ANIMAL and erase God from the formula - this becomes such an enticing escape option (was this what happened to you?) You see, for a lot of us, we feel that we are lucky that when these faith crisis moments come, there are people who miraculously comes in to help us or at least encourage us, and pick us up and cheer us back to fighting form.

So you see, we not "cocksure", rather the word to describe us is "GRATEFUL", and perhaps even "HAPPY".

… "HIGIT na MAHIRAP" na KALIMUTAN / TIGILAN ang NAKALAKIHAN o NAKASANAYANG PANINIWALA,

… "HIGIT na MADALI" ang MANIWALA't UMASA na MAY MAKAPANGYARIHANG DIOS na SASAKLOLO sa ORAS ng KAGIPITAN KESA sa UMASA sa KAPWA na MAY LIMITASYON ang KAKAYAHAN,

… at "HIGIT na MADALI" ang HINDI MAG-ISIP KESA sa MAG-ISIP, at TANGGAPIN na DIOS ang SAGOT sa mga TANONG na WALANG SAGOT ang SIYENSIYA.

March 8, 2011

Vherr,

What's with all the effort to prove that God does not exist?

… CORRECTION,

… BINIBIGYANG-DIIN KO lang,

… ang "KAWALAN" NYO ng PATUNAY sa SINASABING TOTOO.

Again, I emphasize, as far as this thread is concerned it is ASSUMED that God does not exist (for argument's sake). The question is, what moral code are we going to have (since the God moral code would be no longer valid).

… kung ANO ang MORAL CODE na MAYROON ang TAO sa NGAYON,

… AALISIN nga lang,

… "PARUSA ng PAGKA-IMPIYERNO",

… at "GANTIMPALA na WALANG-HANGGAN-BUHAY".

But I think, though unintentional, you've answered that question at least. How's that again? How do we treat people that are HIV positive? NO DEFINITE ANSWER. And that, more than anything else, clearly illustrates the point. Without a MORAL ANCHOR (the God moral code), we are LOST. Thank you.

… are YOU LOST,

… kapag WALA palang NAGPAPARUSA at NAGGAGANTIMPALA?

… LOST ba,

… gayung bagamat MAYKUMUKUTYA, ay MAYROON namang NAGMAMAHAL?

… LOST ba,

… gayung bagamat MAY NANDIDIRI, ay MAYROON namang NAG-AALAGA?

… LOST ba,

… gayung bagamat NILALAYUAN, ay MAYROON namang NAGPU-PROTEKTA?

January 11, 2011

...KUNG WALANG INTERNET

...di mo na kayang ipaliwanag?

...O di ba kaya

...WALA KANG PALIWANANG O SAGOT

...NA MAY SAYSAY?

Ang KASO...

... "MAYROONG" INTERNET. :lol:

SASABIHIN KO bang HANAPIN MO sa INTERNET...

... kung WALANG INTERNET? :lol: :lol: :lol:

... at IMBALIDO o PARALISADO KA ba? :lol:

January 11, 2011

...Alam mo ba

...kelan pinanganak

...ang tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay mo?[/color][/font][/color]

IPINAGDIRIWANG KO ba TAUN-TAON ang ARAW ng KAPANGANAKAN ng...

... ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ko? :lol:

At SINASAMBA KO ba...

... ang tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ng tatay ko? :lol: :lol: :lol:

January 11, 2011

...DI BA IKAW ANG GUMAMIT NG ASO BILANG HALIMBAWA?

...O BAKA SA totoo lang

...DI MO kaya SAGUTIN?

May SINABI ba AKO na...

... ASO LANG ang HAYOP? :lol:

Scientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate behavior

Great Apes Know They Could Be Wrong, Research Suggests

Empathy Partly Based On Genes, Mouse Study Shows

January 10, 2011

@vHeRR, after you answer skitz's question first, i've been meaning to ask you another: Where does your "man is a social animal" concept end, and where does the quote in your signature from Richard Dawkins start? The quote: "We are survival machines — robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes."

Please tell us how the two concepts are reconcilable with each other.

PUNTA ka…

… sa Google,

… o kaya naman ay sa Wikipedia,

… i-TYPE mo,

… "The Selfish Gene".

January 10, 2011

So let's instead look at the main argument, your/vherr's Man-as-social-animal proposal. The best way to simplify the argument is to reduce the sample population to two men, let's make them strangers, living on a tiny island - one is your "social animal," and the other is ridden with a highly contagious, debilitating, and deadly disease. What do you think has the power to stop your guy from performing an ultimately life-saving act, murdering the latter --- kindness or a moral code?

You are saying that if it were you or vherr, your built-in compassion will save the other man's life and shortly put a painful end to yours. Even when there is almost no social advantage to saving that life, and obviously no long-term physical gain.

What the other side is saying is only adherence to a God-based moral code will consistently give a man the strength to battle his basic instinct for self preservation.

LIKAS na MAKASARILI ang TAO…

…isang SOCIAL ANIMAL ang TAO,

… MAGKAKA-IBA ang BAWAT TAO,

… so,

…"DEPENDE" sa KUNG ANONG KLASENG TAO ang NASA "ISLA" MO,

… KAYA MAAARING "PATAYIN" NIYA ang TAONG MAY SAKIT,

… MAAARING "TULUNGAN" NIYA ang TAONG MAY SAKIT,

… MAAARI rin namang "LAYUAN" na lamang NIYA ang TAONG MAY SAKIT.

January 10, 2011

Lihis na naman. Res ipsa loquitur.

AAMININ MO ba…

… kung SAKALING "TAMA AKO"? :lol:

i have actually been in life and death situations when i have put myself in harm's way to protect others, when the outcome could have resulted in death or serious injury to me, instead of them. i did not need to, but i was prepared to take the consequences, knowing full well what they could be. This is not an armchair discussion, vHeRR. Some of us take our moral code seriously. Perhaps to you these things are all just words to jest about in verse.

… ang TANONG,

"… kay DALI rin kayang GAWIN?"

"KAY DALI MO bang GAGAWIN na IBUWIS ang BUHAY MO"...

… sa "LAHAT" ng "PAGKAKATAON"?

"KAY DALI MO bang GAGAWIN na IBUWIS ang BUHAY MO"...

… sa "LAHAT" ng "TAO"?

See my previous post, vhhERR.

… so, BAKIT nga?

For me, selfishness is when i come first. But if in this life i have put others first when it really counted, there is no selfishness if i am rewarded after this earthly life. Hard for you to understand no, vHeRR?

Ah…

Eh…

… "HINDI MO ba ALAM",

… na "WALANG HANGGANG BUHAY" na "GANTIMPALA" ang IBINIBIGAY ng DIOS MO sa mga SUSUNOD sa UTOS NIYA,

… KAPAG "ISINASAKRIPISYO" MO ang IYONG BUHAY PARA sa IBA?

… "HINDI KA ba NANINIWALA",

… na "WALANG HANGGANG BUHAY" na "GANTIMPALA" ang IBINIBIGAY ng DIOS MO sa mga SUSUNOD sa UTOS NIYA,

… HABANG "ISINASAKRIPISYO" MO ang IYONG BUHAY PARA sa IBA?

… "HINDI KA ba NAKATITIYAK",

… na "WALANG HANGGANG BUHAY" na "GANTIMPALA" ang IBINIBIGAY ng DIOS MO sa mga SUSUNOD sa UTOS NIYA,

… HABANG "ISINASAKRIPISYO" MO ang IYONG BUHAY PARA sa IBA?

… hard for you to understand?

Yes, there are overwhelmingly more substantial agreements than variances.

… and so,

… balikan natin,

… MAY mga THEIST ba na PUMATAY ng PARA sa KANYANG DIOS?

… MERON o WALA?

… at kung MERON ang ISASAGOT MO,

… "MABUTI ba o MASAMA" ang PUMATAY ng PARA sa KANYANG DIOS?

As always, you miss the point. No matter when Christ was born, there still is a Christmas. And if you were really an atheist, you would not join anything that had to do with Christmas, because it would be against your atheist beliefs, di ba?

As always, you miss the point…

… "NATITIYAK" MO na TOTOO ang DIOS MO,

… NGUNIT "HINDI MO MATIYAK" kung "KAILAN" nga ba IPINANGANAK ang DIOS MO? :lol: :lol: :lol:

January 10, 2011

Sige vHeRR. walang lihisan. Just answer Skitz's question. And don't tell me morality comes from nature. Ang aso kumakantot ng kahit anong aso kung taglibog at may pagkakataon.

"ASO" lang ba…

… ang "HAYOP na ALAM MO"?

January 10, 2011

Ano ang dapat gawin sa mga HIV infected individuals? Ibigay ang moral (or logical) justification that would support your answer.

Kaya bang sagutin ng ATHEIST na si Vherr o hindi? Hahahahahaha...

… kung ANO ang GINAGAWA ng TAO sa HIV INFECTED "NGAYON",

… MINAMAHAL AT KINUKUTYA,

… INAALAGAAN AT PINANDIDIRIHAN,

… PINUPROTEKTAHAN AT NILALAYUAN.

December 13, 2010

kung ang punto mo e natural sa lahat ng hayop na alagaan ang kanilang anak, dapat mo sigurong balikan ang pangunahing isyu - na sa labas ng mga kadugo natin, at maliban sa mga taong may katungkulan sa buhay natin, ano ang nagdidikta sa iyo na wag tapusin ang buhay ng mga taong may sakit na maaaring makadisgrasya sa iyo at sa iyong kalipunan.

... isang "SOCIAL ANIMAL" ang TAO.

December 13, 2010

VheRR, scuse me, hindi ko rin ma-gets. Di mo naintindihan ang post ko na kino-quote mo. Akam mo ba kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng sarcasm?

Hindi kaya IDINAAN MO lang sa "SARCASM" ang PAGKA-UNAWA MO? :lol:

Hindi kaya IPINAGTATANGGOL MO lang ang isang "KAKAMPI" sa PANANAMPALATAYA? :lol:

Hmmm, "pansariling pakinabangan" and self-denial. The former is when i hold myself to be the most important person in the world and my key interests come before anything else. That means in a situation in which someone has to live and someone has to die, i live, the other person dies. But according to my moral code, if it comes to a choice between my brother and me, i am ready to sacrifice my life, take a bullet for my brother so that he lives and i die. That, vHeRR, is the latter, self-denial. And that is from the moral code that i hold to be God-given.

... kay DALI na 'SABIHIN" na IBUBUWIS MO ang BUHAY MO,

... kay DALI rin kayang "GAWIN"?

... BAKIT nga ba ISINASAKRIPISYO ng MAGULANG ang SARILI PARA sa KALIGTASAN ng KANYANG ANAK?

... BAKIT nga ba ISINASAKRIPISYO ng INANG "ASO" ang SARILI PARA sa KALIGTASAN ng KANYANG ANAK?

... BAKIT nga ba IPINAGTATANGGOL ng MIYEMBRO ang KANYANG KA-GRUPO?

... hindi nga ba't AYON sa DIOS MO,

... WALANG HANGGANG BUHAY ang GANTIMPALA NYA sa mga SUSUNOD sa UTOS NIYA?

... so kung ISINA-SAKRIPISYO MO ang BUHAY MO PARA sa IBA,

... ANO ang KAPALIT?

... WALANG HANGGANG BUHAY? :lol:

As to your second assertion, vHHeR, many other people with a belief in God have lived and died by that same moral code. There are others today who live by that code and will die by it. So in that sense, "ang moral code ko ay katulad ng moral code ng iba, VVhERR.

... WALA bang PAGKAKA-IBA ng MORAL CODE ang MGA THEIST?

... ang MABUTI ba AYON sa ISANG THEIST, ay MABUTI rin AYON sa LAHAT ng THEIST?

Gets mo ba? Merry Christmas! Ay, di ka pala naniniwala sa Christmas, sorry.

KAILANGAN nga uli ISINILANG ang DIOS MO? :lol:

December 13, 2010

Lol! So many words ... all avoided the simple question... not that I expected anything else. Kung yung fingerprint question inabot na ilang buwan at isang milyong tienes na post bago nasagot, ito pa kayang medyo may bigat na tanong?

Ano ang dapat gawin sa mga HIV infected individuals? Ibigay ang moral (or logical) justification that would support your answer.

Kaya bang sagutin ng ATHEIST na si Vherr o hindi? Hahahahahaha...

KAYA pala HANGGANG NGAYON...

... WALA KA pa ring MAIBIGAY na PATUNAY na TOTOO ang PINANINIWALAAN MONG DIOS? :lol:

... kaya ba IPINAGPIPILITAN MO ngayon na ang MORALIDAD,

... MULA sa DIOS,

... PARA ba MAGKAROON KA na "SA WAKAS" ng PATUNAY na TOTOO ang DIOS MO? :lol:

... ANO na nga uli ang PATUNAY MO na ang MORALIDAD nga ay "IBINIGAY" nga ng DIOS MO? :lol: :lol: :lol:

December 13, 2010

just out of sheer seasonal boredom i think i'll answer the questions relevant to the discussion...

- frankly? yes.

- yes. if i thought my child had nothing to look forward to but a long and painful death i would ask a doctor to administer a lethal dose of morphine. but a belief in God might keep me from doing what i would feel in my heart to be the merciful thing to do.

- again, yes.

- absolutely.

- yes.

what skitz is asking is, without a God-centric moral code, what would stop you from killing these people?

So...

... ang "PUMIPIGIL" lang ba sa ASO na PATAYIN ang "KANYANG SARILING ANAK",

... ay ang "PANINIWALA ng ASO sa DIOS"? :lol:

... "NANINIWALA" ba ang ASO sa DIOS? :lol: :lol: :lol:

... TANUNGIN MO nga ang mga TAO sa KULUNGAN,

... ANO ang "NAG-UDYOK" sa KANILA na GUMAWA ng KRIMEN?

... ANO ang "NAG-UDYOK" sa KANILA na "PUMATAY" ng "KAPWA NILA TAO"?

... "DAHIL sa HINDI TOTOO ang DIOS" ang "DAHILAN" ba NILA KAYA SILA PUMATAY?

December 12, 2010

Daming pi-nost ni vherr, wala akong ma gets kung ano ang point.

Naks :lol: ...

... wala ka kamong ma-gets,

... pero si jhp, bakit "NA-GETS"?,

"Ah, Skitz, i'm sure our esteemed acquaintance VHeR will have a response in verse. i think he's been trying to say that morality is rooted in nature. Something like that. And it's all on youtube."

... NANGANGAHULUGAN ba ito ng PAGHINA ng IYONG "PANG-UNAWA"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

... wala ka ba talagang ma-gets,

... o NAGPAPALUSOT KA lang UPANG MAKAIWAS sa PAG-SAGOT? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ano ba? Anong moral code ba dapat vherr?

ANO ba ang HINAHANAP MO? :lol:

ANO ang HINAHANAP MO...

... GAYUNG "LIKAS" nang "MAYROON"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do we k*ll HIV infected patients or not? Give the reason or a moral code to support your answer.

"PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO na PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILI?

... kung HIV INFECTED KA,

... "PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "BUKOD TANGING PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO PARA PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILI? :lol:

PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS ang "PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO na PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILING ANAK?

... kung HIV INFECTED ang IYONG ANAK,

... "PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "BUKOD TANGING PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO PARA PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILING ANAK? :lol:

PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS ang "PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO na PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILING MAGULANG?

... kung HIV INFECTED ang IYONG MAGULANG,

... "PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "BUKOD TANGING PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO PARA PATAYIN MO ang IYONG SARILING MAGULANG? :lol:

PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS ang "PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO na PATAYIN MO ang IYONG KAPIT-BAHAY?

... kung HIV INFECTED ang IYONG KAPIT-BAHAY,

... "PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "BUKOD TANGING PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO PARA PATAYIN MO ang IYONG KAPIT-BAHAY? :lol:

PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS ang "PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO na PATAYIN MO ang IYONG KABABAYAN?

... kung HIV INFECTED ang IYONG KABABAYAN,

... "PANINIWALA ba sa DIOS" ang "BUKOD TANGING PUMIPIGIL" sa IYO PARA PATAYIN MO ang IYONG KABABAYAN? :lol:

Yun lang. Wag nang mag copy paste ng mga OPINION ng ibang tao.

OPINION ang TAWAG MO...

... sa MGA PAG-AARAL na isinasagawa ng mga DALUBHASA? :lol:

OPINION ang TAWAG MO...

... sa MGA PAGSASALIKSIK na isinasagawa ng mga DALUBHASA? :lol:

OPINION ang TAWAG MO...

... sa MGA PATUNAY na ibinibigay ng mga DALUBHASA? :lol:

... o baka naman ang NAIS MONG SABIHIN,

... ay MAG-USAP TAYO ng WALANG BASEHAN? :lol:

... ang MAG-USAP TAYO ng WALANG PATUNAY? :lol:

Pakita mong meron kang sariling pag-iisip.

... at PAANO MO NATUTUNAN ang "1 + 1 = 2"? :lol:

... IKAW lang bang MAG-ISA ang NAKAISIP ng "1 + 1 = 2" noong IKA'Y BATA pa? :lol: :lol: :lol:

December 9, 2010

Nope. On the contrary, the moral code that i try to uphold no matter how imperfectly, based on believing in God, stresses self-denial. Not the "makasariling sarili." So speak for yourself, VheRR.

Weeh?

... "self-denial"?

... ng "WALANG PANSARILING KAPAKINABANGAN"?

... PAANO?

... PAANO ba GAWIN ang "SELF-DENIAL" ng "WALANG PANSARILING KAPAKINABANGAN"?

... WALA nga bang "PANSARILING KAPAKINABANGAN" ang "PAG-SUNOD sa UTOS"?

... WALA nga bang "PANSARILING KAPAKINABANGAN" ang "PAG-GAWA sa mga GAWAING KALUGOD-LUGOD sa PINANINIWALAANG DIOS"?

And my moral code doesn't include "pumatay para sa Dios" (hahaha, where the heck did that come from?).

Iyan ay ayon sa MORAL CODE "MO"...

... ang KASO,

... ang MORAL CODE MO ba,

... ay KATULAD ng MORAL CODE ng "IBA"?

December 8, 2010

This is from VheRR's siganture:

We are survival machines—robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes. This is a truth which still fills me with astonishment.
Richard Dawkins (1941 - )
British ethologist.
The Selfish Gene

Hmmmm, wonder what the logical implications are, with respect to a moral code that would be consistent with Mr. Dawkins' statement above. Aber, friend VheRR, i'm sure you can logically reconcile this with your most recent posted verses.

… hindi nga ba ang "MAKASARILING SARILI" ang PUNDASYON ng MORALIDAD?

December 8, 2010

Empathy and Violence Have Similar Circuits in the Brain, Research Suggests

ScienceDaily (Apr. 11, 2010) — Researchers from the University of Valencia (UV) have investigated the brain structures involved with empathy -- in other words, the ability to put oneself in another person's position -- and carried out a scientific review of them. They conclude that the brain circuits responsible for empathy are in part the same as those involved with violence.

"Just as our species could be considered the most violent, since we are capable of serial killings, genocide and other atrocities, we are also the most empathetic species, which would seem to be the other side of the coin," says Luis Moya Albiol, lead author of the study and a researcher at the UV.

This study, published in the most recent issue of the Revista de Neurología, concludes that the prefrontal and temporal cortex, the amygdala and other features of the limbic system (such as insulin and the cingulated cortex) play "a fundamental role in all situations in which empathy appears."

Moya Albiol says these parts of the brain overlap "in a surprising way" with those that regulate aggression and violence. As a result, the scientific team argues that the cerebral circuits -- for both empathy and violence -- could be "partially similar."

"We all know that encouraging empathy has an inhibiting effect on violence, but this may not only be a social question but also a biological one -- stimulation of these neuronal circuits in one direction reduces their activity in the other," the researcher adds.

This means it is difficult for a "more empathetic" brain to behave in a violent way, at least on a regular basis. "Educating people to be empathetic could be an education for peace, bringing about a reduction in conflict and belligerent acts," the researcher concludes.

Techniques for measuring the human brain in vivo, such as functional magnetic resonance imaging, are making it possible to find out more about the structures of the brain that regulate behaviour and psychological processes such as empathy.

http://www.scienceda...00409093405.htm

Racial Bias Clouds Ability to Feel Others' Pain, Study Shows

ScienceDaily (May 27, 2010) — When people witness or imagine the pain of another person, their nervous system responds in essentially the same way it would if they were feeling that pain themselves. Now, researchers reporting online on May 27th in Current Biology, a Cell Press publication, have new evidence to show that that kind of empathy is diminished when people (black or white) who hold racial biases see that pain is being inflicted on those of another race.

The good news is that people continue to respond with empathy when pain is inflicted on people who don't fit into any preconceived racial category -- in this case, those who appear to have violet-colored skin.

"This is quite important because it suggests that humans tend to empathize by default unless prejudice is at play," said Salvatore Maria Aglioti of Sapienza Università di Roma.

In the study, conducted in Italy with people of Italian and African descent, participants were asked to watch and pay attention to short films depicting needles penetrating a person's hand or a Q-tip gently touching the same spot while their empathetic response was monitored. (The researchers specifically measured a feature known as sensorimotor contagion, as indicated by changes in the corticospinal reactivity assessed by transcranial magnetic stimulation.) The results showed that people watching the painful episode responded in a way that was specific to the particular muscle they saw being stimulated when the film character was of the same race. But those of a different race didn't evoke that same sensorimotor response.

In further studies, the researchers tested individuals' responses to pain inflicted on models with violet hands. Under those circumstances, participants' empathetic responses were restored.

"This default reactivity of human beings implies empathy with the pain of strangers (i.e., a violet model) if no stereotype can be applied to them," said Alessio Avenanti of the Università di Bologna. "However, racial bias may suppress this empathic reactivity, leading to a dehumanized perception of others' experience."

The new findings expand on previous studies that have primarily looked at the neural underpinnings of racial bias based on facial expressions, thus emphasizing people's emotional reaction to the pain of others, the researchers said.

"To the best of our knowledge, our study is the only one that has tested the reactivity to hands and thus hints at the existence of general processes for separating the self from the others that may be largely independent from specific emotions," the researchers explained.

Based on the findings, the researchers suggest that methods designed to restore empathy for people of other races might also help in dealing with racial prejudice.

http://www.scienceda...00527122141.htm

Less Empathy Toward Outsiders: Brain Differences Reinforce Preferences For Those In Same Social Group

ScienceDaily (July 1, 2009) — An observer feels more empathy for someone in pain when that person is in the same social group, according to new research in the July 1 issue of The Journal of Neuroscience.

The study shows that perceiving others in pain activates a part of the brain associated with empathy and emotion more if the observer and the observed are the same race. The findings may show that unconscious prejudices against outside groups exist at a basic level.

The study confirms an in-group bias in empathic feelings, something that has long been known but never before confirmed by neuroimaging technology. Researchers have explored group bias since the 1950s. In some studies, even people with similar backgrounds arbitrarily assigned to different groups preferred members of their own group to those of others. This new study shows those feelings of bias are also reflected in brain activity.

"Our findings have significant implications for understanding real-life social behaviors and social interactions," said Shihui Han, PhD, at Peking University in China, one of the study authors.

Other recent brain imaging studies show that feeling empathy for others in pain stimulates a brain area called the anterior cingulate cortex. Building on these results, the study authors tested the theory that these empathic feelings increase for members of the same social group. In this case, the researchers chose race as the social group, although the same effect may occur with other groups.

The researchers scanned brains areas in one Caucasian group and one Chinese group. The authors monitored participants as they viewed video clips that simulated either a painful needle prick or a non-painful cotton swab touch to a Caucasian or Chinese face. When painful simulations were applied to individuals of the same race as the observers, the empathic neural responses increased; however, responses increased to a lesser extent when participants viewed the faces of the other group.

Martha Farah, PhD, at the University of Pennsylvania, a cognitive neuroscientist and neuroethicist who was not affiliated with the study, says learning how empathic responses influence our behavior in many different situations is interesting both practically and theoretically. "This is a fascinating study of a phenomenon with important social implications for everything from medical care to charitable giving," she said.

But the finding raises as many questions as it answers, Farah said. "For example, is it racial identity per se that determines the brain's empathic response, or some more general measure of similarity between self and other?" she said. "What personal characteristics or life experiences influence the disparity in empathic response toward in-group and out-group members?"

The research was supported by the National Natural Science Foundation of China.

http://www.scienceda...90630173815.htm

December 8, 2010

QUESTION:

Minus the God moral code, what would have been the most efficient/practical way to solve the HIV/AIDS problem before it became a global pandemic?

without a moral code -

killing anything and everything that shows even the remotest sign of having the disease or having the ability to spread the disease.

something straight out of a post-apocalyptic scifi novel. something horrible especially in light of present survival rates.

Follow up question:

Do the atheists here on MTC agree? DB is a theist and subscribes to the God Moral Code -- theists (majority of us) believe this to be so. This follow up question is not intended for the theists. The only reason why HIV/AIDS carriers should be allowed to live is because GOD told men that killing indiscriminately is wrong. Without this, I can see no reason why all of humanity should be put at risk when only a very small minority (before it spread globally) was infected. They should have been exterminated, or at the very least, ISOLATED from the rest of the world. Even now, what is the moral justification of allowing a small percentage risk infecting the entire world?

Since ATHEISTS, logically, should not believe in a GOD MORAL CODE. Either you support the contention that all HIV/AIDS carrier be killed immediately, or create a moral justification why they should be allowed to live (and not use the God moral code).

Judging from an atheist last post here, they've already abandoned LOGIC as the backbone of their moral code. I wonder what they would come up with next?

"IKAW", BILANG isang "MAKASARILING TAO"…

… na "IKAW MISMO" ay MAY HIV/AIDS,