Bolj Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 This is not just a simple case of completing the details. This is about the president trying to invent a technicality. Mismong mga judges at lawyers nga hindi alam kung legal yung ginawa ni Duterte eh, what more yung ordinaryong tao. Technicalities are the tools often used by criminals. It is a way for them to skirt the intent of a law.-Correct thats why e consider lahat ng details before mag conclude. -The same president that invented a technicality on sereno right? Kamusta si Sereno?-tama ka mismong judges and lawyers (obviously not all of them) hindi alam kung legal, the as hindi din nila alam kung Illegal.-thats why kung ordinaryong tao ka wag ka magmagaling dyan and mag obvious obvious pa na alam kung sino ang mali.-saang case study mo yang nakuha about "technicalities often used by criminals"? Quote Link to comment
Bolj Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 What grounds does Duterte cite for voiding the amnesty? Duterte's proclamation states that the amnesty is void because Trillanes never applied for it anyway and never admitted to his guilt. The Armed Forces of the Philippines, which keeps all the relevant documents, issued a certification on August 30 that "there is no available copy" of Trillanes' application. However, media reports and videos documented Trillanes applying for amnesty in January 2011. [/size]https://www.rappler.com/nation/211138-summary-duterte-voiding-trillanes-amnesty Yan ang malaking problema dito, well-documented na nag-submit ng requirements si Trililing pero yung administration pinipilit na wala daw despite the proof. Again it's a point taken against them as it highlights their incompetence although that is more likely intentional. Can Duterte really do this? [/size]Section 19, Article VII, of the 1987 Constitution states that the President has the [/size]“power to grant amnesty with the concurrence of a majority of all the Members of the Congress.”[/size] [/size]But it is silent on the requirement to revoke amnesty. Justice Secretary Menardo Guevarra said there's no need for Congress approval because the grant of amnesty itself is considered void. https://www.rappler.com/nation/211138-summary-duterte-voiding-trillanes-amnesty[/size] Ito pa ang isang problema, wala talagang specific due process na nakalagay sa batas para bawiin ang amnesty. Naisip lang bigla ni Duterte/Calida na mag-magic pagdating sa documentation ("nawala daw ang mga submitted requirements") para sabihin na void ang amnesty ni Trililing. Ni hindi nakalagay sa batas na pwedeng bawiin ang amnesty and for a good reason, pwede syang gamitin na political weapon by any sitting president against critics and opponents alike. President Rodrigo Duterte earlier claimed that the previous administration committed "usurpation of authority" in granting amnesty to Trillanes, a staunch critic of the president."It cannot be further delegated to other officials. It is a presidential prerogative so the position of the president is that only the president should have signed the order of amnesty," Roque said in a press briefing Monday.Read more at https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/09/10/1850320/fact-check-palace-claims-usurpation-authority-committed-granting-trillanes-amnesty#adGu2jOiwWI4w5i6.99[/size] Ito ang pinipilit nila na mali din. Pakibasa po: Proclamation No. 75, the presidential order that granted amnesty to those involved in the Oakwood Mutiny, the Marines Stand-off, and the Manila Peninsula Siege, including former Navy officer Trillanes, was signed by Aquino.But it assigned the receipt and processing of the amnesty applications to an ad hoc committee of the Department of National Defense (DND). The department's "final decisions or determination" were made appealable to the Office of the President.Likewise sought for his interpretation, constitutional law expert Antonio La Viña agrees that department secretaries are the president's alter egos, whose acts "are the acts of the president" unless their authority is withdrawn.In Trillanes' case, he said Aquino "validly delegated" the approval of applications to the designated official, in this case Gazmin, who headed the DND during the Aquino administration."That's normal. That's called qualified political agency," La Viña said in a text message. He explained that the Cabinet members' agency is "qualified" because the president can also choose to exercise the power himself."There are also powers he cannot delegate, like proclaiming martial law and an amnesty. But in the case of the latter, the processing of applications can clearly be delegated," he said.While the Constitution vests executive power in the president, La Viña asked: "Does that mean he alone has that power and every government document must have his signature? No. That is foolish and would make the presidency an even more impossible job than it already is." Ito ang PINAKAMALAKING KATANGAHAN DITO: Malacañang on Thursday said the other amnesties granted by previous presidents remain valid unless questioned before the courts, even as it admitted that the government only sought to review the amnesty granted to opposition senator Antonio Trillanes IV.Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque said he was not aware of how past presidents granted amnesties, but certainly the one given to Trillanes, a fierce critic of President Rodrigo Duterte, had caught the eye of Solicitor General Jose Calida.He said even if the other amnesties are invalid because they underwent the same process as Trillanes’ did, “unless it is actually questioned, it is entitled to respect.”“Sorry na lang si Senator Trillanes, pinag-aralan siya ni Solicitor General Calida at lumalabas na depektibo talaga ang kanyang amnesty. Ano'ng resulta? Iyong sa kanya lang ang maapektuhan dahil iyan lang ang up for review ng Regional Trial Court sa Makati,” Roque said in a Palace pressbriefing.https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/13/18/sorry-na-lang-si-trillanes-palace-says-other-amnesties-valid-unless-questioned Reading between the lines, very obvious na pinipersonal si Trililing. Sana kung ginawa nila yun na kasama lahat ng Oakwood mutineers at pati yung mga pardon/amnesty na binigay kina Erap at iba pang mga dating pulitiko, matutuwa pa ako dyan. Kaso lang ang ngyari dito, kulang na lang sabihin ni Harry Roque, "SORRY KA TRILILING, KAAWAY KA NI DUTERTE KAYA SAYO LANG APPLICABLE ANG BATAS NA YAN. Yan ang sinasabi ko na delikadong precedent para sa mga susunod na presidente. Yung mag-iimbento ng technicalities para lang maikulong ang critics. Ganda ng pagkasulat mo bro. Well this post of yours sums it up, your knowledge about the issue that i won't further comment on. With limited understanding on the issue i mean. Good day and have fun. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Yan ang problema sayo. Link nga lang ang binasa mo. Ang dami mo palang alam sa case pero ikaw hindi ka makapagbigay ng specifics. Wait lang ha. Gagawin ko sinabi mo... Alam mo ba kung pirmado ni Pnoy yung form na inapply ni Trillanes? Quote Link to comment
stealthfighter Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Ganda ng pagkasulat mo bro.Well this post of yours sums it up, your knowledge about the issue that i won't further comment on. With limited understanding on the issue i mean. Good day and have fun.OK Edited September 13, 2018 by stealthfighter Quote Link to comment
jc44 - RETIRED Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Alam mo ba kung pirmado ni Pnoy yung form na inapply ni Trillanes? Hindi kailangan. Lahat ng mga dating Presidente dinelegate ang pagproseso ng amnesty applications sa DND secretary. Ang importante, yung Proclamation 75 na nagbigay ng amnesty ay pirmado ng Presidente. Quote Link to comment
Calvin Chua Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Di nman na kailangan pa gumawa ng paraan kung gusto ipakulong si Trillanes. Si Trillanes na mismo nagsabi na voluntary sya magpapakulong kung mapatunayan na walang hidden wealth si Duterte just sign the bank waiver. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hindi kailangan. Lahat ng mga dating Presidente dinelegate ang pagproseso ng amnesty applications sa DND secretary. Ang importante, yung Proclamation 75 na nagbigay ng amnesty ay pirmado ng Presidente. Really? Wala lang nag question nung mga ginawa dati. And even the SCJs would surely have different opinions on this. Quote Link to comment
jc44 - RETIRED Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Really? Wala lang nag question nung mga ginawa dati. And even the SCJs would surely have different opinions on this. Except the issue of Gazmin signing the Cert of Amnesty instead of Aquino was not raised in Proc 572, so the Supreme Court Justices won't get an opportunity to make a ruling on it. Quote Link to comment
Pip0l Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Trillanes deserves to be imprisoned again. Senators job is to create laws. E cmula ata naupo si du30 as president ang trabaho na lang nya mag imbestiga. Not a du30 fanatic or whatever pero may nakikita ako na marami tlaga cya nagawa. Pero etong mga dilawan may makitang maliit na butas bira agad. Sows kaya wala asenso mga ibang pilipino. Number 1 problema tlaga natin crabmentality. Parang yung test lang ng teacher about sa paper and the dot. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/black-dot-an-inspiring-story-claire-terink 1 Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Are you saying Trillianes hasn’t passed any laws as a lawmaker? Quote Link to comment
Calvin Chua Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Trillanes deserves to be imprisoned again. Senators job is to create laws. E cmula ata naupo si du30 as president ang trabaho na lang nya mag imbestiga. Not a du30 fanatic or whatever pero may nakikita ako na marami tlaga cya nagawa. Pero etong mga dilawan may makitang maliit na butas bira agad. Sows kaya wala asenso mga ibang pilipino. Number 1 problema tlaga natin crabmentality. Parang yung test lang ng teacher about sa paper and the dot. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/black-dot-an-inspiring-story-claire-terinkI dont think just because he criticizes the President means he deserves to be in jail. Ito ang mga "critisms" nya: 1. May hidden wealth si Duterte. Billions of pesos. Just sign the waiver to prove it2. Involved sa drugs si Polong, just show the tattoo to prove it. These are serious accusations. Di ako dilawan. Pero i dont like how the President respond to these challenges Quote Link to comment
Bolj Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I dont think just because he criticizes the President means he deserves to be in jail. Ito ang mga "critisms" nya:1. May hidden wealth si Duterte. Billions of pesos. Just sign the waiver to prove it2. Involved sa drugs si Polong, just show the tattoo to prove it.These are serious accusations. Di ako dilawan. Pero i dont like how the President respond to these challenges1.Mismo banko na nagsabi wlang ganung amount in any time, anong waiver pa hinihingi mo.2.hindi ka bobo ha, pero yang premise mo na pag may tattoo = involved si polong sa drugs ay stupid. Inembento lang ni trillanes yang premise kinagat mo naman. Quote Link to comment
Pip0l Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If du30 has billions of money he has in his bank like trillanes is saying. Du30 sleeping sa kulamboHis house in davao not that extravagantHis car is toyota hiluxPaboriting ulam monggo It just doesnt add up. You dont need rocket science to figure this out. The guy is what 70yrs old? If i were that filthy rich and pretty old. I will make sure i will spend my remaining time in this world like a rockstar. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Trillanes deserves to be imprisoned again. Senators job is to create laws. E cmula ata naupo si du30 as president ang trabaho na lang nya mag imbestiga. Not a du30 fanatic or whatever pero may nakikita ako na marami tlaga cya nagawa. Pero etong mga dilawan may makitang maliit na butas bira agad. Sows kaya wala asenso mga ibang pilipino. Number 1 problema tlaga natin crabmentality. Parang yung test lang ng teacher about sa paper and the dot. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/black-dot-an-inspiring-story-claire-terinkBefore you criticize, you should get to know the person you are criticizing first. Hindi mo ba alam na amongst all the senators, Trillanes passed the most number of bills? Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If du30 has billions of money he has in his bank like trillanes is saying. Du30 sleeping sa kulamboHis house in davao not that extravagantHis car is toyota hiluxPaboriting ulam monggo It just doesnt add up. You dont need rocket science to figure this out. The guy is what 70yrs old? If i were that filthy rich and pretty old. I will make sure i will spend my remaining time in this world like a rockstar.So why doesn't he just sign the waiver which he was encouraging all presidential candidates including himself to sign at first. And why doesn't he sign the waiver to the bank accounts which he at first denied he had. It doesn't take rocket science to see that he is hiding something. Quote Link to comment
sanchezZZZzz Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If duterte is making a peace with trillanes, he will submit with the request of trillanes to signed the bank waiver whether the accusation is truth or not. However, trillanes is picking a fight with duterte that's why duterte is not doing what trillanes is suggesting.. why would a president of the Philippines follow a one senator among the 24senators? -just to make a silence of trillanes accusation? I guess not,, one way to paralyze your enemy is to prevent them from moving from their current position and trillanes suggesting Mr. President to signed the waiver is one-moved that will lead to somewhere and something or better move Kaya ayaw ni Mr. President mag sign.. sige for the sake of your understanding, pag pinagpatuloy ni Mr. President Ang Hindi nya pag signed ng bank waiver 2 things will happen ---- A. Kung walang tinatago na yaman si Mr. President, na corner nya si trillanes from moving his next move kase Hindi xa makagalaw sa current position nya kase ayaw sumunod sa suggestion si Mr. President na mag signed ng bank waiver & B. Kung may tinatago Naman yaman si Mr. President na makikita say bank waiver Kaya ayaw nya, edi mas panalo xa na wag talaga xa mag sign ng bank waiver.. kahit pag Bali baliktarin naten Ang A and B, winner and winner lang Ang kalalabasan ng decision ni Mr. President na wag mag signed ng bank waiver.. if you are the president of the Philippines, and you don't have really hidden wealth, why would you let your opponent make such a move against you by letting yourself signed the bank waiver? So why doesn't he just sign the waiver which he was encouraging all presidential candidates including himself to sign at first. And why doesn't he sign the waiver to the bank accounts which he at first denied he had.It doesn't take rocket science to see that he is hiding something. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 If duterte is making a peace with trillanes, he will submit with the request of trillanes to signed the bank waiver whether the accusation is truth or not. However, trillanes is picking a fight with duterte that's why duterte is not doing what trillanes is suggesting.. why would a president of the Philippines follow a one senator among the 24senators? -just to make a silence of trillanes accusation? I guess not,, one way to paralyze your enemy is to prevent them from moving from their current position and trillanes suggesting Mr. President to signed the waiver is one-moved that will lead to somewhere and something or better move Kaya ayaw ni Mr. President mag sign.. sige for the sake of your understanding, pag pinagpatuloy ni Mr. President Ang Hindi nya pag signed ng bank waiver 2 things will happen ---- A. Kung walang tinatago na yaman si Mr. President, na corner nya si trillanes from moving his next move kase Hindi xa makagalaw sa current position nya kase ayaw sumunod sa suggestion si Mr. President na mag signed ng bank waiver & B. Kung may tinatago Naman yaman si Mr. President na makikita say bank waiver Kaya ayaw nya, edi mas panalo xa na wag talaga xa mag sign ng bank waiver.. kahit pag Bali baliktarin naten Ang A and B, winner and winner lang Ang kalalabasan ng decision ni Mr. President na wag mag signed ng bank waiver.. if you are the president of the Philippines, and you don't have really hidden wealth, why would you let your opponent make such a move against you by letting yourself signed the bank waiver? So why does he and his lawyers keep trying to deceive the public into thinking that he complied with Trillanes' request already? Una sasabihin ni Panelo na meron DAW siyang SPA which is "better than a waiver" daw. Tapos later on sasabihin naman nila na may bank certification na wala daw billions dun (this certification is bullshit pag hinimay mo yung info na nakasulat). Your "situation A" is clearly wrong. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 1.Mismo banko na nagsabi wlang ganung amount in any time, anong waiver pa hinihingi mo.2.hindi ka bobo ha, pero yang premise mo na pag may tattoo = involved si polong sa drugs ay stupid. Inembento lang ni trillanes yang premise kinagat mo naman.Basahin mo ng maige yung waiver and while you're at it, basahin mo narin yung SPA ni Panelo para makita mo na inuuto lang kayo into thinking na mali yung bintang ni Trillanes. Dun naman kay Polong - put yourself in Trillanes' shoes. Gagawa ka ba ng kwento about tattoos and triads, knowing fully well na kayang kaya i-disprove ito by showing the tattoo. Ang galing naman ni Trillanes kung alam niyang hindi magpapakita ng tatoo si Polong kaya pwede niyang gawan ng kwento ito. Edited September 16, 2018 by juan t 1 Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Asan yung kopya ng amnesty nya?You mean yung application? Winala ni Calida. Meron lang si Trillanes ng circumstantial evidence : videos, pics, and testimonies na nag apply siya. Quote Link to comment
Pip0l Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Its funny meron kopya ng resibo ng relo ni matobato si trillanes pero wala cyang kopya ng amnesty nya. Or wala tlaga cyang kopya ng amnesty nya in the first place? I wonder if you are applying in a corporate world and the recruiter asked for your diploma but you submitted a photo na naka toga. Ma hire ka kaya? 1 Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Its funny meron kopya ng resibo ng relo ni matobato si trillanes pero wala cyang kopya ng amnesty nya. Or wala tlaga cyang kopya ng amnesty nya in the first place? I wonder if you are applying in a corporate world and the recruiter asked for your diploma but you submitted a photo na naka toga. Ma hire ka kaya?It's more like - meron kang diploma, pero hinahanapan ka ng application mo sa university. That's how stupid this whole thing is. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) It's more like - meron kang diploma, pero hinahanapan ka ng application mo sa university. That's how stupid this whole thing is.Sablay ang logic ng analogy mo. Mas malapit itong analogy na to: Hinahanapan ng Diploma, pero yung litrato ng diploma na pinakita nya sa group picture, walang nakapirma. Blank form. https://youtu.be/_LZMU_ZU0rU Edited September 16, 2018 by camiar Quote Link to comment
Bolj Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Basahin mo ng maige yung waiver and while you're at it, basahin mo narin yung SPA ni Panelo para makita mo na inuuto lang kayo into thinking na mali yung bintang ni Trillanes. Dun naman kay Polong - put yourself in Trillanes' shoes. Gagawa ka ba ng kwento about tattoos and triads, knowing fully well na kayang kaya i-disprove ito by showing the tattoo. Ang galing naman ni Trillanes kung alam niyang hindi magpapakita ng tatoo si Polong kaya pwede niyang gawan ng kwento ito.-Brad hanap ka ng ibang tao sabihan mo inuuto, there are other ways para malaman ang laman ng account ni digong. Gumamit kalang utak at "resources" mo. Go figure kung paano "daw" ni trillanes Nalaman at minagic ang figures. Una milliones ngayun billiones, kung trip mo magpagag* kay trillanes wag mo idamay ang iba.-about sa tattoo punta ka davao at ikaw mismo tingnan mo kung meron. Fairytale ni trillanes kakagatin mo naman. Quote Link to comment
JohnnyBaby~ Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 mga bulag kasi ang mga duterte fanatics. maniwala ka nmn sa pinapakita na nakakulambo lang natutulog. d mamahalin ang kotse. sakto lang ang bahay. tang ina nmn. nagbobolahan tayo eh. bago pa siya naging mayor o politiko. nasa politika na tatay nya. akalain mong governor pa. tpos sasabihin nilang low level lang haha joker. style kasi yan. para kumagat ang mga uto uto kung pera lang ang usapan. may billions tlga yan. ilang dekada nasa politika ang pamilya na yan. tpos sasabihin simple lang. basic. ultimo kapitan nga umaasenso. yang pamilya pa na yan. simula pa nung tatay nya gobernor. dynasty pa ngaun anak sya puro mga pulitiko. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Sablay ang logic ng analogy mo. Mas malapit itong analogy na to: Hinahanapan ng Diploma, pero yung litrato ng diploma na pinakita nya sa group picture, walang nakapirma. Blank form. https://youtu.be/_LZMU_ZU0rUMas sablay ka. You seem to think that the amnesty application and the amnesty certification are one and the same. They are not. Balik tayo sa analogy ko. May diploma ka pero hinanapan ka ng application. Pinakitaan mo ng picture ng application to prove na nag apply ka at nag plead guilty. Na realize nila na sablay pala yung pagwala nila ng application mo kaya nag imbento sila ng iba nanamang issue - yun yung sa signature ni Gazmin sa certification. Edited September 16, 2018 by juan t Quote Link to comment
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