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#1 dfgvan

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:17 PM

Since we are getting off topic at the other thread:

Lebron James
Regular Season
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
Career 689 688 39.8 .484 .331 .747 7.2 6.8 1.7 .8 27.6

PlayOffs
Career 115 115 43.4 .469 .312 .745 8.7 6.7 1.7 1.0 28.5


Larry Bird
Regular Season
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
Career[17] 897 870 38.4 .496 .376 .886 10.0 6.3 1.7 0.8 24.3

PlayOffs
Career[17] 164 162 42.0 .472 .321 .890 10.3 6.5 1.8 0.9 23.8



Aside from these let's look at the skill sets, for each skill pick who is better:
Shooting
Ball Handling
Rebounding
Passing (Not limited to assists)
Steals
Blocks
Off Ball Movement
On Ball Defense
Off Ball Defense
Slashing
Post Up
Physicality/Strength
Jumping
Dunking

No Intangibles like heart, clutch, leadership, etc.

I'll Start
Shooting Bird
Ball Handling Bird
Rebounding Bird
Passing(Not just assists) Tied
Steals Tied
Blocks Tied
Off Ball Movement Bird
On Ball Defense LBJ
Off Ball Defense Bird
Slashing LBJ
Post Up Bird
Physicality/Strength Bird
Jumping LBJ
Dunking LBJ

Edited by dfgvan, 09 October 2012 - 04:20 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:44 PM

hehe.. ginawan tlga ng thread.. cge tignan natin boto ng tao.. LBJ ako
thats 1-1

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:53 PM

hahahaha. ayos to.
right now, ill go for bird.
but most probably my choice will change lets say 7 to 8 years from now, considering that lebron is currently writing his own legacy

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:57 PM

larry bird my idol

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:01 PM

Shooting - Bird
Ball Handling - Lebron
Rebounding - Bird
Passing (Not limited to assists) - Lebron
Steals - Bird
Blocks - Lebron
Off Ball Movement - Bird
On Ball Defense - Lebron
Off Ball Defense - Bird
Slashing - Lebron
Post Up - Lebron
Physicality/Strength - Lebron
Jumping - Lebron
Dunking - Lebron

how about durability? I think this should be added.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:04 PM

Shooting - Bird
Ball Handling - Lebron
Rebounding - Bird
Passing (Not limited to assists) - Lebron
Steals - Bird
Blocks - Lebron
Off Ball Movement - Bird
On Ball Defense - Lebron
Off Ball Defense - Bird
Slashing - Lebron
Post Up - Lebron
Physicality/Strength - Lebron

Jumping - Lebron
Dunking - Lebron

how about durability? I think this should be added.


well yes we should add durability

post up - lebron??? really... bird is not merely a shooter he posts up pfs and sfs... he's a post up player
strength - lebron??? really... during bird's time there was a no harm no foul.... badboys... no handcheck... plus bird guards centers and pfs...

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:22 PM

how about adding the career averages on turnovers and personal fouls per game??

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:07 PM

well yes we should add durability

post up - lebron??? really... bird is not merely a shooter he posts up pfs and sfs... he's a post up player

>> Agree that Bird can play post up but only when needed. He played more on the perimeter - leaving the paint to Parish and McHale. During the latter part of his career, when he was ranged against quicker SFs, he played more PF on offense.

strength - lebron??? really... during bird's time there was a no harm no foul.... badboys... no handcheck... plus bird guards centers and pfs...

>> Well, if we are basing this skill on the era on which both of them played, then we really wouldn't know would we? It would also be easy to say that given Lebron's body (ala Karl Malone) he would have been able to impose his strength on other players in the 80s.

I'm basing my reply on the physical evidence - Lebron has the bigger, more muscular body therefore it follows that he's the stronger player.



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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:59 PM

will go for larry...
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:10 AM

bird. sabi nga dun sa blue chips, can't run, can't jump, bad back...hindi hadlang

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:50 AM

>> Agree that Bird can play post up but only when needed. He played more on the perimeter - leaving the paint to Parish and McHale. During the latter part of his career, when he was ranged against quicker SFs, he played more PF on offense.

>> Well, if we are basing this skill on the era on which both of them played, then we really wouldn't know would we? It would also be easy to say that given Lebron's body (ala Karl Malone) he would have been able to impose his strength on other players in the 80s.

I'm basing my reply on the physical evidence - Lebron has the bigger, more muscular body therefore it follows that he's the stronger player.



Even before Mchale would slide to center he would play pf or when Kleine was playing center and mchale was on the bench he would play pf.
Lebron has no post up move. Bird has the baseline spin, the fadeaway, the drop step to the middle and a very efficient jump hook with either hand.
Now can you compare whose post up is better? bird or james?

Tim Bradley has a more muscular body than pacquiao. Why is it that pacquiao has a better KO percentage? pangit ng analogy ko hahahaha.
What I mean is, I am basing the strength on how they played the game.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

ouch lamang a c Bird hehe.. let them choose.. wala muna arguments.. haha

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:48 PM

ok Jason...

sige...

hanggang kelan ang botohan natin dito?
hehehe

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

hehe.. go lng ng go.. malalaman namn natin e..

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

Aside from the Stat lines posted by the Thread starter, here's my opinion:

Shooting: Bird
Ball Handling: Lebron
Rebounding: Bird
Passing (Not limited to assists): Bird
Steals: Even
Blocks: Even
Off Ball Movement: Bird
On Ball Defense: Lebron
Off Ball Defense: Bird
Slashing: Lebron
Post Up: Bird
Physicality: Bird
Strength: Lebron
Jumping: Lebron
Dunking: Lebron

Note: I separated Physicality from Strength. For me physicality is how rugged is your play and how much of your body are you willing to sacrifice to bang with other players. Strength is no doubt Lebron. But he is nowhere near Bird in terms of Physicality.

At this stage of Lebron's career versus Bird, I vote for Bird.

Now if you consider the other intangibles.... the voting would be more lopsided.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 07:53 AM

its really hard to compare players, esp players who played in different eras , but to compare larry legend and king james without taking into account such intangibles like clutch performances etc is unfair to larry bird supporters bec thats the adjective mostly attributed to the legend ...that being said ...larry bird all the way over king james

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:51 AM

I think ts took out the intangibles to level the playing field. If we were to consider those then all of us would choose bird.

Now, considering only the skills, we can discuss who is more talented.

Answered in behalf of dfgvan.

Edited by ginamae, 15 October 2012 - 03:52 AM.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:03 PM

been reading this thread and its very onformative.... Lbj and bird are both talented players.... But if i will choose between both of them, i'll choose larry... His more multi dimensional.....
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

Bird's career is over and have been watched (and can be watch again) many times that is why he is leading this mini poll and is easy to compare to LBJ.
Lebron is still playing and learning, enjoying and winning!

Not a Lebron fan but lets not downplay the guy.

Still, until Lebron finished his career, we should all watch and then we can return to this thread again.

But for now, Larry Bird is far more better.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:31 PM

Larry Joe Bird FTW!!!




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