Jump to content


Photo

Free Tuition For State Universities And Colleges

#FreeTuitionSUC Du30 #LibrengEdukasyonNa

  • Please log in to reply
59 replies to this topic

#21 haroots2

haroots2

    Philanderer

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3340 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 August 2017 - 02:52 PM

Dapat yung retake ng failed subject hindi na free.



#22 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3393 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

We have to limit enrolment in SCU to poor but deserving students. Those who can pay either pay premium school fees or enroll in private colleges and universities.

 

How many poor but deserving students are there? Very few, kasi maraming poor but konti lang ang deserving.

 

If free tuition in SUCs is paid for from taxpayers' money, then it should be open to all, poor, middle class and rich people alike but only to the deserving -- those who have the intelligence,the commitment to study and the perseverance to finish the course.

 

It should not be considered a right, but a privilege.


Edited by camiar, 07 August 2017 - 04:18 PM.


#23 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3393 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 August 2017 - 04:13 PM

In Singapore, government schools are either free or heavily subsidized. They are well funded and well staffed. But they have strict admission policies and students must excel if they want to continue studying in government schools.

 

That's why in Singapore, you're admired if you are studying in a government school. They see students of private schools "not good enough".



#24 jacuzzi

jacuzzi

    Wanton

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 753 posts

Posted 07 August 2017 - 05:04 PM

The pressing issue here is not the initial cost of tuition fees. But the real cost of education, which to many is their whole life.

 

In the SONA there are still Mao fans sporting his cap hoping to catch attention. This is a terrible show of the state of education in the country. Under Mao, more Chinese were killed under his reeducation program, which was later labeled as "Cultural Revolution". The number of Chinese casualties exceed the combined fatalities in both World Wars. This is not to mention Mao asking our leaders to "keep them poor" referring to how he had held onto power by creating the largest, cheapest labor force the world will ever see.

 

Mao and Lenin have been proven False and are no longer relevant. How come it is still honored here? Do we need to EXPERIMENT again, this time with our lives? Can't our educators show exactly what happened after these poor ideas were implemented? Use scientific method and show if the experiment succeeded or if the conclusions were valid. Without US help, will China prosper under Mao's Cultural Neverland? Give us the honest answers so we would LEARN.

 

Education is LEARNING. If we fail to learn, then we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. Even if we got diplomas, what is the use? Don't we ever get tired? China has already learned a few things that make it defy the Maoist principles, making it prosper. Vietnam too, even fought against the tyranny of the Chinese. We are stuck in a system that is anti American despite the obvious that our Asian neighbors like Japan, China and Vietnam could not have modernized without US technology. Americans brought with them the public school system, which after a century has helped the rise of BPO industry, but the Maoists today are creating a reeducation program that will render our children irrelevant, intellectually confused and good only for menial tasks which will soon be replaced by robots. 


  • houndjock likes this

#25 Hamog

Hamog

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 128 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 August 2017 - 05:09 PM

Not a good idea.



#26 paddy

paddy

    Cutie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 271 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 02:20 AM

 

How many poor but deserving students are there? Very few, kasi maraming poor but konti lang ang deserving.

 

If free tuition in SUCs is paid for from taxpayers' money, then it should be open to all, poor, middle class and rich people alike but only to the deserving -- those who have the intelligence,the commitment to study and the perseverance to finish the course.

 

It should not be considered a right, but a privilege.

 

From your assumption, then I guess the majority of students who can avail the free tuition from SUCs belong to the middle class and the super rich (taipans).  So how can students (coming from poor and indigent families) with just average intellect get their college education?


Edited by paddy, 08 August 2017 - 02:22 AM.


#27 houndjock

houndjock

    Experienced

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPip
  • 49 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 04:55 AM

If you say yes to free education when your budget secretary says that you can't afford to pay for free education, it means you either borrow money elsewhere (debt) or cut budgets of other branches of government. I can almost see state universities depleting their MOB when the cash runs dry.


  • Julianda likes this

#28 Soo-yeon

Soo-yeon

    Not for hook up

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 226 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:South
  • Interests:NOT YOU

Posted 08 August 2017 - 07:12 AM

This was signed already effective next year (2018).

#29 mikeXXL

mikeXXL

    Chaser

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 61 posts

Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:22 AM

1.  give to deserving SUC students regardless of social strata.

2.  students should pass a very stringent entrance examination.

3.  they should have maintaining grades.

4.  length of college schooling = length of government service after they graduate.



#30 huntforredoctober

huntforredoctober

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 189 posts

Posted 08 August 2017 - 12:33 PM

 

From your assumption, then I guess the majority of students who can avail the free tuition from SUCs belong to the middle class and the super rich (taipans).  So how can students (coming from poor and indigent families) with just average intellect get their college education?

honestly we all know that there's a huge percentage of the student population who aren't all that serious with their studies. it's simply stupid to allot already scarce government funds to subsidize education costs for these students. poverty is a challenge but it doesn't necessarily mean ignorance or just having average intellect. education is mostly hard work and consistency in studying rather than pure inherent intelligence. we've already seen a lot of rags to riches stories where some poor unknown beats the odds and eventually graduates and succeeds in life. education is indeed a right but only to a certain degree. like in other countries, free education is only until high school. anything other than that is a priviledge, and if you're not gifted financially then you do have to work for it. the reason why they instigated the senior highschool system is to address the poor's issue of education. they're extending highschool and equipping studings graduating from senior high with enough knowledge to enable them to hold their own as part of the formal workforce. generally companies should then accept these new graduates as qualified workers unlike before. a college diploma then would only be a plus or for specialized positions requiring such diploma.



#31 Julianda

Julianda

    Omry feek antia

  • (08) Fanatical Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2645 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:33 PM

I'm not against the administration of P.Duterte. In fact, I regarded himself (Du30) as the lesser evil among the candidates (though I voted Binay). And I am one of his silent cheerer who indirectly shouts whenever he accomplished any of his promises. But in the event a questionable move has taken place, expect a hefty reactions from his critics and I am one of them.

 

Recently, he signed the bill or the R.A 10931 (dated August 3, 2017) or the Universal Access To Quality Tertiary Education Act. It promotes and provides free tuition and other school fees in State Universities and Colleges and State-run Technical Vocational Institutions. It also establishes the tertiary education subsidy and student loan program, strengthens the unified student financial assistance system for tertiary education and appropriating funds.

 

Undoubtedly, none of his economic advisers has affixed his / her signature on the said act for obvious reasons. Or probably they're not authorized to do so(?) But that's beside the point, the main issue here is the seemingly unpreparedness and ended up this “bigay-bawi” style of the president for some reason. Yes, free tuition fee will probably be implemented this SY 2017-2018 but how about the budget for next SY 2018-2019 and the subsequent school years?

 

It seems like they're not even sure where to get the funds.

 

In the 2018 National Expenditure Program, neither Special Provisions 2 nor 6 were reiterated, while the provision on free tuition and the HESP in Special Provision 1 was removed.

 

"President Duterte’s economic managers consistently opposed the bill, then he himself subjected the P8.3 Billion allocation in the 2017 budget to conditional implementation.  And now, funds that are supposed to continue the free college program in 2018 are missing from his proposed budget," Tinio said.

 

Rep. France Castro, for her part, said the government should increase budget allocation for free tuition.

"Instead of removing funds for free tuition and other school fees, the administration should even increase the allocation to ensure that tertiary education remains free in 2018 and that more youth can avail of it," she said.

"It should even substantially increase SUCs' budgets to ensure that what they offer is indeed quality education. But now we see that the President's promise to make higher education free is just a bigay-bawi," she added. Castro urged his fellow lawmakers at the Congress to bring back the provision for free tuition for undergraduate and medical students in 2018 budget. More here.

 

 

 

 

Budget Secretary Diokno, Finance Secretary Carlos Dominguez III, and Socioeconomic Planning Secretary Ernesto Pernia earlier said the law, if passed, would benefit mostly middle-class to high-income students who make up the majority of college students.

 

Such a policy could kickstart an exodus of students from private colleges and universities to state-run ones, which could ultimately affect the overall quality of tertiary education. (READ: Free tuition in state colleges: When CHED officials clash)

 

Duterte's economic managers had preferred to provide more funding for the Unified Student Financial Assistance System for Tertiary Education (UniFAST) which strengthens, expands, and harmonizes existing financial assistance programs for students.

 

Malacañang said Duterte also considered his administration's other big expenses when deciding whether or not to approve the free tuition bill.

 

He had to weigh the cost of the bill with the cost of the rehabilitation of Marawi City and programs for overseas Filipino workers (OFWs), said Presidential Communications Assistant Secretary Marie Banaag.

 

 

 



#32 haroots2

haroots2

    Philanderer

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3340 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:45 PM

I think Du30 is playing politics here to get his priority bill passed in the senate.  Maraming nagpasalamat sa senador when he signed the bill which in turn may change their minds  on some of his priority bill na hindi umuusad because of lack of vote sa upper house.



#33 paddy

paddy

    Cutie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 271 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:03 PM

Personally i will say NO to free tuition in SUCs but YES to student loan. Students who availed the loan will be required to work for the government for 2 to 3 yrs to pay off the loan. The kind of work will be aligned with the course they took up.

#34 jacuzzi

jacuzzi

    Wanton

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 753 posts

Posted 08 August 2017 - 05:19 PM

Nothing is lost yet. Our dear president can use his executive power to impose implementing rules and guidelines on the Law. He can channel most of the funds to promote careers and enhance the household income of deserving students from the most indigent family / background. This can be coordinated with the DTI, POEA so they can be high wage earners and net contributors to the economy. The idea is to uplift the families they belong to.



#35 stealthfighter

stealthfighter

    Cutie

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 242 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 08:10 PM

Our country simply can't afford to sustain such privilege in the long term. Why? because the government is basically spending MONEY THAT DOESN'T EXIST.



#36 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3393 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 08 August 2017 - 11:55 PM

 

From your assumption, then I guess the majority of students who can avail the free tuition from SUCs belong to the middle class and the super rich (taipans).  

 

Middle class lang. The super rich send their children to exclusive private universities.

 

Yes, the majority who benefit will be the middle class. So what?! They are Filipino citizens, too, right? They are from tax-paying families to boot.

 

  So how can students (coming from poor and indigent families) with just average intellect get their college education?

 

 

Student loans, scholarships, study-now-pay-later, study-while-you-work, etc.... whatever you can think of, it's been done before.

 

 

You get free tuition privileges if you are intelligent enough AND committed enough in order to deserve it. No matter what your economic status. Anything wrong with that?


Edited by camiar, 09 August 2017 - 12:02 AM.


#37 stealthfighter

stealthfighter

    Cutie

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 242 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:01 AM

 

 

Middle class lang. The super rich send their children to exclusive private universities.

 

Yes, the majority who benefit will be the middle class. So what?! They are Filipino citizens, too, right? They are from tax-paying families to boot.

 

 

 

There's the problem right there. It will not address the educational needs of poor average-intellect Filipinos.



#38 paddy

paddy

    Cutie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 271 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:12 AM

 

Middle class lang. The super rich send their children to exclusive private universities.

 

 

I have known super rich families sending their children to SUCs to study.  They have passed the exams and hence they are qualified by law and avail free tuition.


Edited by paddy, 09 August 2017 - 12:14 AM.


#39 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3393 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:13 AM

 

There's the problem right there. It will not address the educational needs of poor average-intellect Filipinos.

 

It should address the educational need of the Filipino nation.

 

That means ALL Filipinos.

 

Average intelligence???? Why would you invest people's hard-earned taxes on average-intellect students? You should invest on the above-average intelligent students who have the right attitude and perseverance.


Edited by camiar, 09 August 2017 - 12:20 AM.


#40 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (09) Manic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3393 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:19 AM

 

 

I have known super rich families sending their children to SUCs to study.  They have passed the exams and hence they are qualified by law and avail free tuition.

 

In UP, yes. So what?

 

It's an honor to pass the UP admission test.

 

Anybody who pass the UPCAT deserves to study in UP -- rich or poor.

 

Pero konti lang sa mga  anak ng super-rich ang kayang pumasa sa UPCAT. 


Edited by camiar, 09 August 2017 - 12:23 AM.






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: #FreeTuitionSUC, Du30, #LibrengEdukasyonNa

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users