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#1 rakizta

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 03:54 AM

CJ Giles already on their line-up
so what you think with this young team under a foreign coach?

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 10:18 AM

Players wise, they are still too raw for next years competition. But I think the idea of putting up a team exclusively to represent the country is good. It has some bad sides to it though. One of which is, the players don't get to play competitive ball that much. How many times do you get to play them in a year? And against whom? Maybe a good idea is to insert the team into on-going tournaments in the country and also outside of the country. The problem with some of the tournaments outside of the country, sometimes the other teams don't really play 100% so the competitive level is not that high. Playing them in the local tourney should give them some confidence in their skills (which I believe they have).

I think the Smart Gilas team, once it matures, could be a better "team" than the current Powerade PBA Selection Team. Again, take note of the word "team". For one, the players don't have any egos to protect, the coach need not be too fair in the playing time (yes, I am very critical of the Powerade Team rotation since I believed it lost us some games that we should have won!).

Again, basketball is a team sport. And a team that plays well together will probably have a better chance. It is only the exposure of this team that I am worried about. Plucking all collegiate members mean that some of these players have not yet matured or gained the confidence needed to really excel. They need to play in more tournaments and should be inserted into the PBA and other tournaments. PBA should adopt one conference for FIBA Rules and allow the Smart Gilas team to participate in that conference.

I have high hopes for this team.

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 01:07 PM

Players wise, they are still too raw for next years competition. But I think the idea of putting up a team exclusively to represent the country is good. It has some bad sides to it though. One of which is, the players don't get to play competitive ball that much. How many times do you get to play them in a year? And against whom? Maybe a good idea is to insert the team into on-going tournaments in the country and also outside of the country. The problem with some of the tournaments outside of the country, sometimes the other teams don't really play 100% so the competitive level is not that high. Playing them in the local tourney should give them some confidence in their skills (which I believe they have).

I think the Smart Gilas team, once it matures, could be a better "team" than the current Powerade PBA Selection Team. Again, take note of the word "team". For one, the players don't have any egos to protect, the coach need not be too fair in the playing time (yes, I am very critical of the Powerade Team rotation since I believed it lost us some games that we should have won!).

Again, basketball is a team sport. And a team that plays well together will probably have a better chance. It is only the exposure of this team that I am worried about. Plucking all collegiate members mean that some of these players have not yet matured or gained the confidence needed to really excel. They need to play in more tournaments and should be inserted into the PBA and other tournaments. PBA should adopt one conference for FIBA Rules and allow the Smart Gilas team to participate in that conference.

I have high hopes for this team.


Which popped in my mind. Could the PBA atleast accept Smart Gilas as a temporary PBA team? Yun na lang cguro conswelo natin for them opting not to lend players to the National team.

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 03:56 PM

sinu-sino ang mga players ng team na to?

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 05:37 PM

^

mga stalwarts ng uaap, (immediate) past and present. you have casio and tiu on one hand. and you have the feu trio of barroca, cawaling and ramos(?) among others.

on whether this team is the answer to our woes, who knows? but just like others here, i have high hopes for this team, too.

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 06:39 PM

Lets support this team..

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 11:15 PM

much better if we still send a PBA player that will train just like a Smart Gilas
the problem is....kung willing mag sacrifice ang mga mother team na wala ang star nila?

I do believed that we sent a great and talented player sa FIBA-Asia,the only problem on that
is their familiarity on the court lalo na dun sa mga kakampi nila

bottomline is kelangan mag sacrifice ng PBA if we still want to bring back our glory sa basketball

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 01:16 AM

^^ hindi yan gagawin ng PBA kaya nga pinaubaya na nila sa Smart Gilas ang national team eh. Let's just hope Gilas develops into an NCC-type team. Long term naman ang outlook nito eh - uhmmm, 4-5 years at least.

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 09:58 AM

Smart-gilas, Could this be the answer?

- NOT!

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 10:06 AM

There are plans for Smart Gilas to play in the PBA All-Filipino Cup.
I think playing the team here would do wonders in helping the the team gel.

However, I would suggest that instead of the All-Filipino Cup, why not the reinforced conference and then have the PBA teams get imports of unlimited height.

Not suggesting of course the team not travel abroad and play international competition.

At least, annual naman ang Jones Cup and FIBA Champions cup
They can play there every year or at least until when the next FIBA Asia comes up in 2011

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 11:47 AM

its a better option than sending a team composed of pba players at the spur of the moment. I think it would be better if this team join tournaments abroad other than the PBA

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 12:43 PM

The most logical proven formula to date is still the NCC masterplan ... it started with theRP Youth and the core of this team remained intactfor the ABC Tournament, with some changes along the way to include new promising players. I think this is what the SMART Gilas team is trying to emulate.

As I have made my stand in the other thread, the POWERADE PBA-backed team may be the stonger team talent wise but it may not be the most prepared one. The PBA first and foremost objective is revenues and "commercial exposure" to its shareholders. Yes the PBA adjusted its schedule to allow its players to play for the country during offseason but do you honestly think that they would be able to fit in the min 3 international tournament each year. Aside from this its not only a matter of playing together in tournaments, these players will also have to train/practice together whole year round.

Sad to say, the Powerade team for example hardly could come up with the complete rooster when they practice at the time the PBA is still on-going since they would not dare pullout the players whose team are still in contention. So most of the time the players of Burger King were asked to attend in order to have enought players for the scrimmage.

I am all for the Gilas Team playing as a "guest squad" in the PBA but are qualified to win the championship ... this was mababatak talaga sila ng husto and the PBA players can't play it loose against them since there is something at stake.
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 06:46 PM

good point by peithe...

hmm, for the nation, i guess smart gilas should get SOME players from PBA.. like norwood dillinger and i think sol mercado..or whoever they think could help them win..

--ewan lang kung payagan sila ng mother teams..

--sana talaga puwede sila kumuha ng pba players, yun needed talaga kahit ilan lang. then in exchange, makakuha ang mother team ng additional draft pick sa 1st round...

what do u think guys?

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 08:28 PM

^

papayag kaya ang ibang teams na maisahan sila ng mga kalaban nila in the form of an added 1st round draft pick? i doubt it.


...much better if we still send a PBA player that will train just like a Smart Gilas... I do believed that we sent a great and talented player sa FIBA-Asia...



wala atang magagawa ang isang player lang, kahit na great and talented pa siya. he,he..

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 08:56 PM

i like dis no pba players para may puso mag laro sa rp team.... d na tyo makukulelat sa next asian games yeah....

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 12:11 AM

sinu-sino ang mga players ng team na to?


line-up nila from wikipedia, not sure if this is final but i think we should give them a chance.

Pos. # POB Name Ht. Wt. College
1.0 PG 4 PHI  Barroca, Andy 68 5 ft 8 in (1.73 m) 170 lb (77 kg) FEU*
4.5 F/C 5 PHI  Ramos, Aldrech 78 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 210 lb (95 kg) FEU*
1.5 G 6 PHI  Casio, JV 72 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) 175 lb (79 kg) La Salle*
3.0 SF 7 PHI  Ababou, Dylan 75 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 185 lb (84 kg) UST*
1.5 G 8 PHI  Tiu, Chris 71 5 ft 11 in (1.8 m) 170 lb (77 kg) Ateneo*
5.0 C 9 USA  Slaughter, Gregory 83 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 245 lb (111 kg) UV*
2.5 G/F 10 PHI  Baracael, Mac 75 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 185 lb (84 kg) FEU*
5.0 C 11 USA  Giles, C.J. 83 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 247 lb (112 kg) Oregon State*
4.5 F/C 12 PHI  Ballesteros, Jason 78 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 220 lb (100 kg) San Sebastian*
3.5 F 13 PHI  Guevarra, Rey 75 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 200 lb (91 kg) Letran*
1.0 PG 14 PHI  Jazul, RJ 71 5 ft 11 in (1.8 m) 180 lb (82 kg) Letran*
2.5 G/F 15 PHI  Cawaling, JR 74 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 190 lb (86 kg) FEU*
4.5 F/C 16 PHI  Al-Hussaini, Rabeh 79 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 220 lb (100 kg) Ateneo*
2.0 SG 17 USA  Lutz, Chris 75 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 190 lb (86 kg) Marshall University*
3.0 SF 18 PHI  Anthony, Sean 76 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 200 lb (91 kg) De La Salle*
4.5 F/C 19 PHI  Fajardo, Junmar 82 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) 225 lb (102 kg) Cebu*
Head coach
Rajko Toroman
Assistant coach(es)
Allan Gregorio

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Legend
© Team captain
(DP) Unsigned draft pick
(FA) Free agent
(IN) Inactive
(S) Suspended
(I) = Import
Injured

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 12:38 AM

Forming the Smart Gilas team by the SBP was the right move for our national team to do good
in international competition. The players are not allowed to turn pro but are well compensated
for their services. Some of the players who turn down the offer from the amateur ranks are
Maeirhoffer, Menor, Arellano, Cruz. Although the intention is well organized, we all know basing
from the line-up mentioned above that they don't have the material to be competitive. Even if they
practiced everyday for 3 years. They need some players from the pros to compensate for their lack
of ceiling. The SBP is considering to naturalized certain players to make up for their lack of ceiling inside.
CJ Giles is being considered but recently i saw playing in the NBA Summer League. Hopefully, all our
basketball leaders would unite for goal to come true...OLYMPICS

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 07:49 AM

good point by peithe...

hmm, for the nation, i guess smart gilas should get SOME players from PBA.. like norwood dillinger and i think sol mercado..or whoever they think could help them win..

--ewan lang kung payagan sila ng mother teams..

--sana talaga puwede sila kumuha ng pba players, yun needed talaga kahit ilan lang. then in exchange, makakuha ang mother team ng additional draft pick sa 1st round...

what do u think guys?


I doubt if papayag ang ibang teams na may additional draft pick na kapalit. But I think its part now of the mother team's moral obligation to the flag whether they will or will not agree to lending the players being requested.
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:04 AM

Forming the Smart Gilas team by the SBP was the right move for our national team to do good
in international competition. The players are not allowed to turn pro but are well compensated
for their services. Some of the players who turn down the offer from the amateur ranks are
Maeirhoffer, Menor, Arellano, Cruz. Although the intention is well organized, we all know basing
from the line-up mentioned above that they don't have the material to be competitive. Even if they
practiced everyday for 3 years. They need some players from the pros to compensate for their lack
of ceiling
. The SBP is considering to naturalized certain players to make up for their lack of ceiling inside.
CJ Giles is being considered but recently i saw playing in the NBA Summer League. Hopefully, all our
basketball leaders would unite for goal to come true...OLYMPICS


I dont think ceiling is would be the issue for the Gilas team. As it is, Gilas is actually taller than most PBA teams.
What they do lack is experience, cohesiveness and court sense...sa madaling salita, gulang

I do think that they're on the right track.
Im not sure if Norwood, Aguilar and/or Dillinger's current home teams have given the green light on them joining the Gilas team, not with the recent statements of Toroman (and SBP) and Guiao (PBA)

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:43 AM

I dont think ceiling is would be the issue for the Gilas team. As it is, Gilas is actually taller than most PBA teams.
What they do lack is experience, cohesiveness and court sense...sa madaling salita, gulang

I do think that they're on the right track.
Im not sure if Norwood, Aguilar and/or Dillinger's current home teams have given the green light on them joining the Gilas team, not with the recent statements of Toroman (and SBP) and Guiao (PBA)


I guess by international standards, this Gilas team will be small since our PG and SG are mere 6'0 or less. our wings are at least 6'2 and the froncourt players at least 6'5. China I believe boat of a line-up that has no player standing 6'3 below. Add to that a frontline standing at leat 6'7 not to mention the couple of 7 footers.

Nevertheless, while height is might, its not the only factor. Surely we have this problem as one of our weakness but it is really up to the coaching staff to find ways on how to offset this.

Edited by peithe, 25 August 2009 - 08:45 AM.

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