Halalan 2019

[camiar]

wala na pagbabago yan unless magkaron ng electoral reform. sana meron independent body that will make an honest to goodness evaluation of a candidate before the prospective candidate will file for a govt position. once qualified then the independent body will circulate the qualifications, achievements, and platform of the candidate. this way, malalaman ng voting public kung na yung candidate e ndi involved or implicated in a corruption issue in the past, ndi member ng isa or numerous political family, has a sound and feasible platform of what he or she can do in the govt position for the interest of many, etc. at present, i would say na mas intelligent na ang voting public pero marami pa rin na ndi totally knowledgeable about sa candidate kaya na nagre rely na lang kung sinu ang pinaka maingay or me monetary favors just to exercise this right to suffrage.

What you wish for will never happen, unless you want an authoritarian government like in mainland China. In their system, the "candidates" are vetted by the Communist Party before they can "run" for public office. Now they have a system as corrupt as the Imperial monarchy and the Nationalist government that they replaced.

 

Our current democratic system is good enough if we just give it a chance. Educating the voters on how to choose the right candidate is one way to improve the system. This forum is part of that education process.

[skycentral68]

What you wish for will never happen, unless you want an authoritarian government like in mainland China. In their system, the "candidates" are vetted by the Communist Party before they can "run" for public office. Now they have a system as corrupt as the Imperial monarchy and the Nationalist government that they replaced.

 

Our current democratic system is good enough if we just give it a chance. Educating the voters on how to choose the right candidate is one way to improve the system. This forum is part of that education process.

 

i guess you’re right. but then there must be something good and better done in China right now and they are following communism. Singapore has that evaluation system and they are democratic not communist and yet they’re better than us. since my childhood in the ‘60s, my elderlies have been bickering about politics and how it should have been. its 2019 now and all my elderlies are have departed and still the voting public doesnt know how to select the proper person to be in that position. this is the reason why the need for an electoral reform that is merited over the amendment of the constitution but not change in constitution. yes education is good but what is the correct way of educating our voting public? what i intend to say is that the independent body will pre-qualify or filter the candidates to just a few and getting rid of all those corruption-contaminated and traditional politicians. so from the few pre-qualified candidates, whoever is chosen by the voting public, at least we can sleep better at walang tulak kabigin maski sinu man sa kanila mapili.

[camiar]

i guess you’re right. but then there must be something good and better done in China right now and they are following communism. Singapore has that evaluation system and they are democratic not communist and yet they’re better than us. since my childhood in the ‘60s, my elderlies have been bickering about politics and how it should have been. its 2019 now and all my elderlies are have departed and still the voting public doesnt know how to select the proper person to be in that position. this is the reason why the need for an electoral reform that is merited over the amendment of the constitution but not change in constitution. yes education is good but what is the correct way of educating our voting public? what i intend to say is that the independent body will pre-qualify or filter the candidates to just a few and getting rid of all those corruption-contaminated and traditional politicians. so from the few pre-qualified candidates, whoever is chosen by the voting public, at least we can sleep better at walang tulak kabigin maski sinu man sa kanila mapili.

In Singapore the government party (People's Action Party) evaluates the integrity of their own candidates, but the opposition parties are not mandated to do the same (though they may follow similar selection process). The Singaporeans have a choice to trust PAP's chosen candidates or vote for the opposition. That's the huge difference between Singapore and China. China has one single party -- no alternative choice.

 

It is not a democracy if the candidates are vetted by anybody other than the voters who can choose freely.

 

An "independent body" can never be trusted to be independent.

Edited January 24, 2019 by camiar

[skycentral68]

In Singapore the government party (People's Action Party) evaluates the integrity of their own candidates, but the opposition parties are not mandated to do the same (though they may follow similar selection process). The Singaporeans have a choice to trust PAP's chosen candidates or vote for the opposition. That's the huge difference between Singapore and China. China has one single party -- no alternative choice.

 

It is not a democracy if the candidates are vetted by anybody other than the voters who can choose freely.

 

An "independent body" can never be trusted to be independent.

yes i know what sgp and china has. if an independent can never be trusted to be independent, then how? who can the people trust? point of this discussion is kung me pag asa pa ba. my opinion is wala na, unless, there will be an electoral reform. that’s my opinion.

[will robie]

I am not sold on Iskho Moreno. I heard unsavory things about him.

Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie

[camiar]

yes i know what sgp and china has. if an independent can never be trusted to be independent, then how? who can the people trust? point of this discussion is kung me pag asa pa ba. my opinion is wala na, unless, there will be an electoral reform. that’s my opinion.

If everybody needs an "independent body" to tell them who to vote for, what's the point of free elections? Why would you need somebody else to tell you who to choose? Can you not tell who to trust? Even by gut-feel? We are all empowered now by the internet to search for truth, are we not?

 

Vote for whoever you want. As long as it is your free choice, we're all be OK.

 

But if you think that without the endorsement of an "independent body", voters are not to be trusted with their choices, then you're not ready for democracy. You may be better off in a monarchial, feudal, dictatorial, or any authoritarian system where (presumably benevolent) leaders will just provide whatever they think is good for the people..

Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar

[will robie]

Like what bro?... Related ba sa politics?

It is related to what trapos do. One more thing I don't like Moreno or Domagoso is that he has no loyalty. He used to be an ally of Lim. When Erap came along, he jumped on the Erap bandwagon.

Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie

[camiar]

It is related to what trapos do. One more thing I don't like Moreno or Domagoso is that he has no loyalty. He used to be an ally of Lim. When Erap came along, he jumped on the Erap bandwagon.

Many young political leaders start under the wings of established politicians. They then grow their influence and later are able to challenge even the incumbent.

 

Some established politicians see that as disloyalty. I see it as a natural progression of political power.

[will robie]

Many young political leaders start under the wings of established politicians. They then grow their influence and later are able to challenge even the incumbent.

 

Some established politicians see that as disloyalty. I see it as a natural progression of political power.

He could have done that under Lim instead of Erap. He was already vice mayor under Lim.

[camiar]

He could have done that under Lim instead of Erap. He was already vice mayor under Lim.

 

I think Isko realized that Lim has no intention of retiring. And Lim was actually mismanaging the city -- that would be bad for Isko's future to be further associated with Lim.

 

Lim left the City Hall bankrupt and with no vision for urban renewal.

 

Erap inherited the result of Lim's financial mismanagement and lack of vision. He can barely cope with the deterioration caused by his predecessor and yet is now too frail to run the day-to-day management of the city.

 

It's time to turn the city over to a younger, more energetic leader.

 

So far, Isko is the only one who steps up to the plate. He's the only logical choice for Manila citizens.

Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar

[will robie]

 

I think Isko realized that Lim has no intention of retiring. And Lim is actually mismanaging the city -- that would be bad for Isko's future to be further associated with Lim.

 

Lim left the City Hall bankrupt and with no vision for urban renewal.

 

Erap inherited the result of Lim's financial mismanagement and lack of vision. He can barely cope with the deterioration caused by his predecessor and yet is now too frail to run the day-to-day management of the city.

 

It's time to turn the city over to a younger, more energetic leader.

 

So far, Isko is the only one who steps up to the plate. He's the only logical choice for Manila citizens.

Running a city it's not just about energy and youth. The candidate has to have a vision and, so far, I don't see the visionary in Domagoso. He was tasked once to be the traffic czar of Manila and in his tenure, I did not see any improvement.

[camiar]

Running a city it's not just about energy and youth. The candidate has to have a vision and, so far, I don't see the visionary in Domagoso. He was tasked once to be the traffic czar of Manila and in his tenure, I did not see any improvement.

Is there any other better choice as alternative to the two old goats?

 

I would like to see ex-Mayor Atienza.

 

He has vision. But he's not in the race.

Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar

[will robie]

Is there any other better choice as alternative to the two old goats?

 

I would like to see ex-Mayor Atienza.

 

He has vision. But he's not in the race.

Unfortunately, there isn't. Atienza actually was a good mayor. He beautified the city and he was strict in traffic policies. I remember I got towed because I wasn't in a designated slot on the road. That man had a vision for the city. He also made income-generating projects like the kiosks along Roxas Boulevard fronting Manila Bay but Lim had them dispatched.

Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie

[camiar]

Unfortunately, there isn't. Atienza actually was a good mayor. He beautified the city and he was strict in traffic policies. I remember I got towed because I wasn't in a designated slot on the road. That man had a vision for the city. He also made income-generating projects like the kiosks along Roxas Boulevard fronting Manila Bay but Lim had them dispatched.

Yes. I was happy to see his urban renewal projects in Avenida Rizal and his tourism development on the Baywalk.

 

All his projects were destroyed by Alfredo Lim. Now Manila is back to the old blighted ghetto image that Erap cannot undo.

 

Atienza said he will support the "least evil" mayoral candidate.

 

I would guess it would be Isko Moreno.

Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar

[will robie]

Yes. I was happy to see his urban renewal projects in Avenida Rizal and his tourism development on the Baywalk.

 

All his projects were destroyed by Alfredo Lim. Now Manila is back to the old blighted ghetto image that Erap cannot undo.

 

Atienza said he will support the "least evil" mayoral candidate.

 

I would guess it would be Isko Moreno.

That's the problem when politicians have a vendetta towards their rivals. The constituents suffer. In Makati, there is no such problem as the Binays seem to have a perpetual stranglehold in Makati politics. Also, I heard that Abby is as clean as they can get, something which the brother isn't since he has cases against him.

Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie