Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[Soujin00]

11 hours ago, Harding said:

People are still wondering whether Marcos did a good job during his presidency. well credible international materials including google can be a good source of information. they are not biased. let us not be fooled by misinformation

Sarcasm po yung post ko ✌️

[JonKartero]

for further reading, para naman hindi puro youtube at tiktok videos ang maging basehan natin sa kaalaman:
 

The Marcos Dynasty (Sterling Seagrave)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/170LIFWMQrVbKiM5YNrh6TBWGQW7D6BXb/view

Waltzing With a Dictator (Raymond Bonner)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11_kRX8nE_hTx7eDRGzxmSiDOKuMFZSQy/view

The Conjugal Dictatorship (Primitivo Mijares, former publicist for Pres. Marcos)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zelR7iJlrGOuUwaHyDr0sEKeNwzzQa9S/view

Never Again (Raissa Robles)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16AhQ43ayvbzVohN4aqEGTKBrFj6oQ9fo/view

WHY FERDINAND E. MARCOS SHOULD NOT BE BURIED AT THE LIBINGAN NG MGA BAYANI (NHCP)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LQuV2rkAxtDBk2zCJDMuaQLS6xdy1t2Q/view

The Counterfeit Revolution: The Uncensored Story of the Marcos Regime in the Philippines (Reuben Canoy)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LO2HuSzEudI9va0EwH5rIkvu9G2b_Yie/view

[arsonist2010]

wag magpaniwala sa youtube at tiktok.

[camiar]

18 hours ago, arsonist2010 said:

wag magpaniwala sa youtube at tiktok.

Wala nang naniniwala sa Inquirer, ABS-CBN, at mga olgarch-controlled mainstream media.

Alam ng mga matatalinong netizens yan.

BBM has taken his forum to the social media, providing factual, engaging, and clear message about his vision and platform of government.

Who's afraid of tiktok?  Takot kayo sa ganito? -->:

 

[JonKartero]

21 hours ago, arsonist2010 said:

wag magpaniwala sa youtube at tiktok.

youtube, tiktok, social media, all of them are platforms for denialist propaganda kasi walang editorial oversight, unlike news organizations or newspaper and book publishers. also relies on "shock" value, virality, and the appeal of "uy sikreto natin ito ah, tayo-tayo lang nakakaalam" to the uninitiated.

[camiar]

22 hours ago, JonKartero said:

youtube, tiktok, social media, all of them are platforms for denialist propaganda kasi walang editorial oversight, unlike news organizations or newspaper and book publishers. also relies on "shock" value, virality, and the appeal of "uy sikreto natin ito ah, tayo-tayo lang nakakaalam" to the uninitiated.

That is the narrative of the Dilawans because social media campaign is being used more effectively by the people sidelined by the oligarch-controlled "mainstream media". 

The reality is that it offers more information than the edited versions of the controlled media.

Tsismis ba ang mga katulad ng ganitong mga posts sa social media?:

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by camiar

[arsonist2010]

On 11/8/2021 at 10:40 AM, camiar said:

Wala nang naniniwala sa Inquirer, ABS-CBN, at mga olgarch-controlled mainstream media.

Alam ng mga matatalinong netizens yan.

BBM has taken his forum to the social media, providing factual, engaging, and clear message about his vision and platform of government.

Who's afraid of tiktok?  Takot kayo sa ganito? -->:

 

Nakakatakot talagang makabalik ang mga yan

[JonKartero]

15 hours ago, arsonist2010 said:

Nakakatakot talagang makabalik ang mga yan

Funny no? Kapag sang-ayon sa world view, "factual, engaging, clear."

Kapag taliwas, "oligarch-controlled," "biased Dilawan." Ewan.

Oddly, no comment on the books available for free, online, na nilista ko. I guess reading is too much to ask?

[camiar]

10 hours ago, JonKartero said:

Funny no? Kapag sang-ayon sa world view, "factual, engaging, clear."

Kapag taliwas, "oligarch-controlled," "biased Dilawan." Ewan.

Oddly, no comment on the books available for free, online, na nilista ko. I guess reading is too much to ask?

Ang sabi mo: social media is unreliable "kasi walang editorial oversight" unlike the mainstream media.

Ang sabi ko: mainstream media like ABS-CBN and Inquirer are dilawan- and oligarch-controlled. The new phenomena is that they are now surpassed by social media in dissemination of message. 

Yung books na sinabi mo has insignificant readership precisely because they are written by dilawans. Not credible, because readers find their narratives too one-sided. Remember the statement: The victors write the history. The books you listed are available for free because nobody reads them anymore.  

BBM and other candidates who cannot get a fair share of unbiased coverage in oligarch-controlled mainstream media use social media thru  Blogs, Vlogs, Tiktok, etc... in factual and clear manner that people find engaging. So they continually rely on it for more information.

Do you really need "editorial oversight" to post a vlog like this to make it credible? :

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by camiar

[camiar]

The Manila Times polled 1,500 voters nationwide via phone and face-to-face survey — 500 respondents each coming from Luzon, the Visayas and Mindanao.

The mayor "won" by a landslide, getting 50.9 percent of the "votes."

https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/11/10/news/national/sara-leads-vp-survey/1821646

If Bong Go withdraws in favor of Sara, his 11.8% will likely go to Sara Duterte for a total of 61.8%.

Dream-team ang BBM-Sara Tandem!

Edited November 10, 2021 by camiar

[camiar]

FORMER senator Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos Jr. topped the survey of The Manila Times on the 2022 presidential candidates.

In the survey, conducted from October 26 to November 2, the respondents were asked, "If the elections were to be held today, whom will you vote for president?"

68% replied they would vote for Marcos.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/11/09/news/national/bongbong-leads-manila-times-poll/1821522

[JonKartero]

On 11/10/2021 at 8:41 PM, camiar said:

Ang sabi mo: social media is unreliable "kasi walang editorial oversight" unlike the mainstream media.

Ang sabi ko: mainstream media like ABS-CBN and Inquirer are dilawan- and oligarch-controlled. The new phenomena is that they are now surpassed by social media in dissemination of message.

Social media is just another Gutenberg press. The problem is when you put the personal experience cart before the information horse. Then it becomes information bias.

Authorship credibility obviously matters. Otherwise you wouldn't keep repeating your "oligarch-controlled/dilawan" line. Yet I can always throw that back at you and say that your sources are just Marcos-paid-and-controlled propaganda. And without the credibility, integrity, and most importantly accountability of editorial oversight, your sources are even worse off.

On 11/10/2021 at 8:41 PM, camiar said:

Yung books na sinabi mo has insignificant readership precisely because they are written by dilawans. Not credible, because readers find their narratives too one-sided. Remember the statement: The victors write the history. The books you listed are available for free because nobody reads them anymore.  

What you are describing is "observer bias." Not credibility. Also, they are free on the internet because their copyrights have expired, or the authors have permitted them to be shared for free on the digital platform.

Again, historians write the history. You haven't named a single historian who sides with you. Unless you mean to argue that Enrile is a "historian?"

About that video: Since you value social media as a medium for disseminating truth, and since you would agree that the pro-Marcos camp is more credible, then I suppose you find this social media post credible as well? Partida, first-hand account ito.
 

[JonKartero]

Anyway, back to the main topic: dead Marcos myths.

Has there been any evidence ever presented that Marcos got rich from Tallano gold? Because Imee Marcos thinks it's an urban legend.

 

[JonKartero]

4 minutes ago, JonKartero said:

About that video: Since you value social media as a medium for disseminating truth, and since you would agree that the pro-Marcos camp is more credible, then I suppose you find this social media post credible as well? Partida, first-hand account ito.

Called shot: sasabihin na peke ito, black propaganda, etc. Even if it should fit all their given criteria for credible information. 🤷‍♂️

[camiar]

12 hours ago, JonKartero said:

Social media is just another Gutenberg press. The problem is when you put the personal experience cart before the information horse. Then it becomes information bias.

I lived through the Martial Law period. My personal account of what happened then is more credible than anybody born after 1986. Juan Ponce Enrile is 95 years old. His personal account about ALL the presidents from President Aguinaldo to Duterte and about Martial Law is more credible than what CNN can dish out on the same subject. You personal experience cart before the information horse analogy is hilariously inane.

Authorship credibility obviously matters. Otherwise you wouldn't keep repeating your "oligarch-controlled/dilawan" line. Yet I can always throw that back at you and say that your sources are just Marcos-paid-and-controlled propaganda. And without the credibility, integrity, and most importantly accountability of editorial oversight, your sources are even worse off.

ABS-CBN is owned by the oligarch Lopezes. Inquirer is owned by the oligarch/yellowist Rufino-Prieto.  Everybody knows the editorial bias of these two examples of oligarch-controlled media. Nobody (yet) has control of social media content, and not the least Marcos. Social media, by its nature, do not and need not have editorial oversight. If you are mature enough to discern what is valid or not, you don't need to b dictated on by  useless editorial oversight. You can do your own vetting. You know what? that's what you call freedom of information.

What you are describing is "observer bias." Not credibility. Also, they are free on the internet because their copyrights have expired, or the authors have permitted them to be shared for free on the digital platform.

I stick to my argument. They are free because they are irrelevant and nobody reads them anymore. I will read any author's book if it's worth reading, even if I have to pay for it. I will not read irrelevant and worthless books even if they're free or even if you offer to pay me.

Again, historians write the history. You haven't named a single historian who sides with you. Unless you mean to argue that Enrile is a "historian?"

I don't need any academic or historian to side with me. I can decide for myself what is true based on what I've seen and learned. Does Enrile claim himself as a historian? He is a witness to History. He has more credibility than your oligarch-paid "history" writer. 

About that video: Since you value social media as a medium for disseminating truth, and since you would agree that the pro-Marcos camp is more credible, then I suppose you find this social media post credible as well? Partida, first-hand account ito.

Did I say pro-Marcos camp's social media posts are more credible? I was posting samples of social media vlogs that are used for truthful and positive messages. They are more credible than ABS-CBN or Inquirer news and commentaries. There are oppositions' social media posts that are truthful and positive, too. A lot of them. Are you saying they're not credible as well?  

So, what does your post of Augusto Decena prove? I can show you the same from Leni's camp. But what would that accomplish?

 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by camiar