camiar Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Between the Marcos administration and the incompetent Aquino administration, the Marcos administration has much more credibility than the Aquino administration. Luneta, Yolanda, Mamasapano, Kidapawan, DAP, etc. Do these ring a bell? Not to mention the car registration plate and drivers' licence ID card fiascos. The Abnoy Aquino administration is by far the worst, closely followed by Cory administration. Quote Link to comment
alamark Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 our country's economy was doing great in the previous admin. noted by the international community and financial institutions.we jailed 3 corrupt big politicians. 2 are still in jail. nothing close to this was ever done before.brought in millions of dollars to the government treasury before leaving office. and people call the previous admin the worst? Quote Link to comment
alamark Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Seriously? Which politicians? GMA? The last time I checked, she got acquitted. Who are the other two? So, based on your post, Aquino is a good president because he jailed corrupt politicians, one of who was acquitted due to weak evidence and bringing in millions of dollars to the government treasury. Perhaps, you can show me the news item where the Aquino administration brought in millions of dollars. Shouldn't he have spent it for infrastructure in order to assuage the chronic traffic problem? You might want to comment on the following: 1. Luneta Hostage Crisis2. Mamasapano Massacre3. Kidapawan Massacre4. DAP5. Yolanda I will agree with you pag may tumakbong pagka-pangulo na member ng Avengers. in the meantime, na mortals ang mga candidates, happy na ako na umusad ang bansa at hindi maghangad ng unreasonable. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The past couple of months have shown the President Marcos being vindicated. Here is another one. Vindicated my ass. They got off on technicalities. It's not like the court said there were no abuses. There were abuses! The court just said that those who filed the case cannot represent the thousands of victims and therefore threw out the case. And it only took 20 years for our wonderful justice system to come up with that conclusion. As usual, the rich and powerful here in the Philippines remain untouchable. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Vindicated my ass. They got off on technicalities. It's not like the court said there were no abuses. There were abuses! The court just said that those who filed the case cannot represent the thousands of victims and therefore threw out the case. And it only took 20 years for our wonderful justice system to come up with that conclusion. As usual, the rich and powerful here in the Philippines remain untouchable. I used to think that the Marcoses were the cause of all the sufferings due to abuses. Now I realize that the abuses are committed and abetted by the people themselves. Yes, there were abuses, but most of them are done by us, the ordinary people, on our own kind. We howl in protest when others are doing wrong, but we keep silent when our own group, our family, or our friends are doing exactly the same thing. Edited July 17, 2017 by camiar Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 There may have been abuses but Marcos dismissed 3,000 men in uniform which means he did not condone it. If you are implying that the Marcoses paid their way to get this verdict, you're gonna have to prove it. That's the thing. In spite of three decades and nine hundred cases against the Marcoses, there has been no conviction. It is what it is. If you think it's technicalities, that is your opinion. The CA has spoken. Did you not read the article you posted? It says it right there that: "The US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit Court upheld the Hawaii court’s verdict, saying Marcos was accountable for the torture, murder and disappearance of countless human rights victims." Now getting the Marcoses to pay up is a different story. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Were they able to prove in court that It was Marcos who ordered the torture, murder, or disappearance? Strong suspicion is not enough grounds to convict, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's point of view. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The fact of the matter is this ruling can't be enforced here because the US 9th Circuit Court does not have any jurisdiction here. Furthermore, the CA said that the Hawaii court did not give a chance to both the Marcoses and the claimants to confront each other which is a violation of due process for both parties. Like I said, in the Philippines, the rich and powerful are untouchable. The US courts finds Marcos guilty but the Philippine courts let him off on technicalities. $2 billion was to be awarded. If I were the Marcoses, whats say $100 million or P5 billion to pass around and get a favorable decision. Not to mention that the decision comes at a time when a Marcos friendly government is at power. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Were they able to prove in court that It was Marcos who ordered the torture, murder, or disappearance? Strong suspicion is not enough grounds to convict, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's point of view. The US courts already concluded that Marcos was accountable. You can review the case and see how they came up with that decision. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The US courts already concluded that Marcos was accountable. You can review the case and see how they came up with that decision. So what if a US court say he is accountable? Did he do the crimes? You and I know he didn't. But he is supposedly liable to pay for the damages on the principle of chain-of-command, which doesn't hold much credence. Sorry, I have no interest in reviewing the case. Unfortunately for you, and everybody else sharing the delusion, this court decision will go nowhere. Quote Link to comment
juan t Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 So what if a US court say he is accountable? Did he do the crimes? You and I know he didn't. But he is supposedly liable to pay for the damages on the principle of chain-of-command, which doesn't hold much credence. Sorry, I have no interest in reviewing the case. Unfortunately for you, and everybody else sharing the delusion, this court decision will go nowhere. Yeah the US courts decided that Marcos is accountable, and you still insist that he is not guilty only because he wasn't the one who "pulled the trigger".. I think you are the one who is delusional. 1 Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Yeah the US courts decided that Marcos is accountable, and you still insist that he is not guilty only because he wasn't the one who "pulled the trigger".. I think you are the one who is delusional.Accountability to the crime and being guilty of the crime are two different things. What's your point? And to think that a US court can impose its verdict in the Philippines is delusional. Quote Link to comment
Otepss Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Best:DiosdadoWorst:Ferdinand Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Worst- gloria or fidelBest- FM Quote Link to comment
JFK Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Worst: Noynoy (no doubt)Best: FVR, GMA (in terms of economy) 1 Quote Link to comment
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