Agnostics And Atheists Thread

[Kingkongphils]

You cant say that less religious country is more peaceful because of the fact that by statistics, all nations majority of the people are believers of a God, or a certain higher power.

[YoniMaster]

i enjoy it when theist looks for facts and actual proper evidence when someone makes a claim against their belief but never apply them towards their own belief =)

 

i have to distance myself from the one who pointed out the claim about being peaceful or happy. coz ive actually seen a study that shows theist are happier and we atheist arent but it's still meaningless, it still doesnt mean it's real. i just stick to the purest meaning of being an atheist, non belief, that's it.

[airport-noo]

^ Didn't say we were happier though. There are more suicides pa nga di ba. Lack of violence doesn't necessarily mean happy. More suicide in Singapore/Japan than PH. Anyway I fully expect a religious person to insist that non-believers are immoral. To some people morality can only come from God. I used to have an officemate who said that those who don't belong in INC are "angkan ng kadiliman" - and that includes catholics and protestants...

 

Hehe binundle sila satin. I thought that was strange since they worship the same God.

 

Other than that one time he called everyone in the room "angkan ng kadiliman" he's really a good guy and respectful. When I heard it, I thought: "wow judging people he doesn't know". But it's Ok, things like that tend to come out when the topic is religion. He probably learned those words in his place of worship because I've heard similar comments before. "Nabulungan ni Satanas kaya... fill in the blanks". Some people say that expression in the group I used to attend.

[Kingkongphils]

INC has alway been radical in their belief. What with the block voting, kailangan INC asawa INC... BUT religion IMO has alway been the building block of morality. After all really there are no aetheist school, and all schools have religion in their curiculum... I am pretty sure all aetheist here are not born aetheist so I think you have the idea of morality thru teachings from religion classes.

[houndjock]

From what I know in my past anthropology class, morals have always been there, from the dawn of civilization. Before religions flourished, from brutal gods and goddesses to monetheistic deity. Morals are just ideas of what is good and bad, right and wrong, and they differ from one person to another and from one society to the next. If you observe our history, religion may seem to be the accumulated social construct of morals made complex and defined by strict written rules such as the bible and quran. Whereas in simpler times, morals are not complex and definitely not written. Often, religion coexist side-by-side with laws and edicts (from before) which shows that morals as a consensus becomes religion for guidance and laws for societal control/order and such. If we follow this logic, morals appear to be the foundation of religion rather than the other way around.

INC has alway been radical in their belief. What with the block voting, kailangan INC asawa INC... BUT religion IMO has alway been the building block of morality. After all really there are no aetheist school, and all schools have religion in their curiculum... I am pretty sure all aetheist here are not born aetheist so I think you have the idea of morality thru teachings from religion classes.

[airport-noo]

INC has alway been radical in their belief. What with the block voting, kailangan INC asawa INC... BUT religion IMO has alway been the building block of morality. After all really there are no aetheist school, and all schools have religion in their curiculum... I am pretty sure all aetheist here are not born aetheist so I think you have the idea of morality thru teachings from religion classes.

 

Could go the other way too: the need for order and morality is the building block of religion. I imagine Moses leading refugees from slavery to the promised land; and having no other means to enforce law and order other than the Commandments. In that sense religion is the law.

 

Anyhoo, I don't see a need to dispute the idea that non-believers (atheists, agnostics and believers of other religion) are lesser human beings -- when it is coming from a believer of a belief system that teaches that. I mean it's pretty common for belief systems to apply an "us & them" distinction, and for that distinction to be favorable to "us" than "them". Even non-believers do the same.

[FleurDeLune]

Such an interesting question. Anyone can argue on this.

Why do atheists get mad and think it's unfair religion is taught in some schools when none of us theists are mad that science is taught in schools?

[lolxes]

 

Such an interesting question. Anyone can argue on this.

Why do atheists get mad and think it's unfair religion is taught in some schools when none of us theists are mad that science is taught in schools?

science is one of the branches of knowledge, isa pa, diba it is one of the major subjects and a part of basic education? science revolves around us ika nga sinasabi nila, "to keep us out of the dark" and lahat explained by science from human and animal behavior, health, diesases, food production hanggang sa political management, business management, engineering, navigation, exploration and even warfare. for religion, it is up to them kung makikinig sila, di matatanggal ng mga atheist ang relihiyon lalo na naging parte na ito ng kasaysayan natin at naging isa na din sa foundations of morality ng lahat, it is up to you kung makikinig ka, may matututunan ka nmn din. i was a catholic until i reached the age of reason. we dont know the truth yet, pero ayan na ang guide natin, mamimili ka nlng kung ano paniniwalaan mo

[FleurDeLune]

Pro and/or anti can have their take on this.

 

STEPHEN HAWKING SAYS THERE IS NO HEAVEN OR AFTERLIFE ; ITS A FAIRY TALE

 

The belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a fairy story for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.

 

In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts, Britains most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

 

 

More here:

 

http://www.wisdomawakened.com/2016/02/stephen-hawking-says-there-is-no-heaven.html

[accordance123]

Atheist here. up to date nobody can give a concrete proof that god exists so i still remain as a non believer

[lolxes]

well, we still dont know if there is an afterlife or heaven or even hell whatsoever, kasi di pa nmn tayo patay, and even we are afraid to die or not, its still uncertain kung san ka nga mapupunta, we still dont know, if you believe in religions, well they have lots of places like heaven or hell or the nirvana or whatever, only the ones who passed away can say that pero do the dead talk to us that there is such place? there is one, religion, if you have the powerful critical and rationalistic thinking, you will say wala, pero marami pa ding magsasabi na merong langit and the afterlife kasi meron silang tinatawag nating "faith"

[cbotc]

Religions are like different paths to the same destination, just like Waze shows you alternative paths to where you want to go.

 

Religions are the alternative roadways all leading to the same endpoint. Problems arise when the "my way is better than yours" mentality sets in and factions erupt with blind fanaticism to prove superiority and authenticity over the others. Ironically while religions preach peace, the major wars in the world originate from religious differences - the Holy Wars, the Crusades pitted Christianity vs Islam which have metamorphosed into present day geo-political conflicts with entities such as Al Queda, Taliban and Isis.

 

[blue+george]

religions are a guide to how to live a certain way. religions teach good things, but are maligned to serve a few, an organization. (becoming a business for some) its a business of selling hope. so fanatics are people who just listen and believe rather than having a brain and research for themselves, just obey. now that's retards following false idiotic leaders.

 

rather than following religions, look into the good, teachings in the books are good. interpret for your self the meanings, be open minded and look into the good

 

law and order is very much different from right and wrong. and should not be mixed. anyways, God doesn't have a religion. he definitely did not sign up to any religion. religion is made by men.

[manny8802]

Amen to that

[NightWriter]

Religion is like everything else - a source of meditation. I wonder how agnostics and atheists meditate.