Larry Legend or King James

[Legend_Killer]

Prime or not, Larry owned Jordan in the regular season. In the playoffs, it was no contest. Kevin Mchale is not a franchise player and so was Parish. Check out the season when Larry was injured and only played in 6 games the 1998-99 season and check the regular season record of the Boston Celtics that season with Parish and Mchale leading them. Also, check out the 1993-94 season when Jordan retired. Check the record of the Bulls.

 

The Cs finished with a 42-40 record without Larry Bird in the 1988-89 season and got swept by the Pistons in the first round.

 

Contrastingly, the Bulls posted a 55-27 record without Jordan and forced the Knicks to a Game 7 in the Eastern semi-finals before losing to the Knicks in 7.

 

This means that the Cs need Bird even with Mchale and Parish more than the Bulls need Jordan with Pippen and Kukoc.

 

During THAT time Bird had HOFer teammates as opposed to Jordan having squat so of course MJ would get owned everytime

 

You can't compare players being out of rotation, it's a credit to the coaches and during that time the Bulls had an established Pippen with a weak East

 

Remember when Ewing was the star player for the Knicks during the 1999 playoff then got injured but when he was out they made it all the way to the Finals

 

6 championships

6 Finals MVPs

5 Regular season MVPs

Never lost in the Finals

Changed the game forever, even in the aesthetics part and the Jordan rules

 

You can't say someone is better just by saying they lost in the playoffs everytime, look at both their careers in hindsight and see which one was better, ok sana kung sabay silang in their prime like Magic and Bird but it's unfair to compare their matchups

[will robie]

During THAT time Bird had HOFer teammates as opposed to Jordan having squat so of course MJ would get owned everytime

Again, the players you mentioned and you are now calling squat were the same players who were in the roster when the Bulls almost upended the Knicks in the the Eastern semis in 1993-94. Yes, they may be HOFers but the fact remains: Parish and Mchale could not carry the Cs without Bird.

[will robie]

You can't compare players being out of rotation, it's a credit to the coaches and during that time the Bulls had an established Pippen with a weak East

I am not comparing players who were out of the rotation. I am stating the effect of the absence of Bird and Jordan. Apparently, the Cs need Bird more than the Bulls need Jordan. You must be confusing the East of today to the East of the 90s. The East was at par with the West in the 1990s. In the 80s, the West was way weaker than the East.

[will robie]

Remember when Ewing was the star player for the Knicks during the 1999 playoff then got injured but when he was out they made it all the way to the Finals

The topic is Bird and Jordan and facts don't lie. The Cs needed Bird more than the Bulls needed Jordan.

[will robie]

6 championships

6 Finals MVPs

5 Regular season MVPs

Never lost in the Finals

Changed the game forever, even in the aesthetics part and the Jordan rules

I give Jordan credit for those but he never won a playoff game against Bird. Bird also dominated the all-time regular season match up. Moreover, Jordan won most of those championships when Bird was already a shell of his old self and Magic was already retired. Based on facts, my take is Jordan would not win 6 championships if both he and Larry went out of college in the same year.

Edited May 14, 2019 by will robie

[Legend_Killer]

I am not comparing players who were out of the rotation. I am stating the effect of the absence of Bird and Jordan. Apparently, the Cs need Bird more than the Bulls need Jordan. You must be confusing the East of today to the East of the 90s. The East was at par with the West in the 1990s. In the 80s, the West was way weaker than the East.

 

That depends on the system of the team not the player himself, just because the Celtics needed Bird more than the Bulls needed MJ doesn't make him any better, it's the fault of the coaches and the system if they can't adjust to that absence

[will robie]

You can't say someone is better just by saying they lost in the playoffs everytime, look at both their careers in hindsight and see which one was better, ok sana kung sabay silang in their prime like Magic and Bird but it's unfair to compare their matchups

Then by what metrics can you say someone is better than someone? I am stating cold, hard facts.

 

Jordan never won a playoff game against Bird apart from losing the all-time head to head match-up in the regular season.

 

Moreover, it has been proven in the seasons that both were not in the roster that the Cs need Bird more than the Bulls need Jordan.

[Legend_Killer]

I give Jordan credit for those but he never won a playoff game against Bird. Bird also dominated the all-time regular season match up. Moreover, Jordan won most of those championships when Bird was already a shell of his old self and Magic was already retired. Based on facts, my take is Jordan would not win 6 championships if both he and Larry went out of college in the same year.

 

That's the big word "IF"

 

But in this reality this happened, you can't say if they both went at it at the same time then this would have happened, yes he dominated a young MJ but not the prime MJ which was unstoppable

[will robie]

That depends on the system of the team not the player himself, just because the Celtics needed Bird more than the Bulls needed MJ doesn't make him any better, it's the fault of the coaches and the system if they can't adjust to that absence

Yes, it makes Bird better because it proves that the Bulls can win without MJ and almost advanced to the ECF and, most probably, the NBA Finals in that 7-game war with the Knicks. The Cs never had a chance without Bird.

[Legend_Killer]

Then by what metrics can you say someone is better than someone? I am stating cold, hard facts.

 

Jordan never won a playoff game against Bird apart from losing the all-time head to head match-up in the regular season.

 

Moreover, it has been proven in the seasons that both were not in the roster that the Cs need Bird more than the Bulls need Jordan.

Sinabi ko nga di ba look at both their careers in hindsight nagbabasa ka ba?

 

It's like you're comparing Lillard and Doncic today, one is in his prime while on is just starting his career

Yes, it makes Bird better because it proves that the Bulls can win without MJ and almost advanced to the ECF and, most probably, the NBA Finals in that 7-game war with the Knicks. The Cs never had a chance without Bird.

 

It's a credit to the coach and the system

[will robie]

That's the big word "IF"

 

But in this reality this happened, you can't say if they both went at it at the same time then this would have happened, yes he dominated a young MJ but not the prime MJ which was unstoppable

It's an "if" based on cold, hard facts. Prime Bird is better than prime MJ. When Jordan retired, he was at his prime but the Bulls still gave the Knicks a competitive series which could have gone either way. Again, the Cs couldn't win a game in the playoffs without Bird in 1988-89. Prime Bird owns prime MJ.

Edited May 14, 2019 by will robie

[will robie]

Sinabi ko nga di ba look at both their careers in hindsight nagbabasa ka ba?

 

It's like you're comparing Lillard and Doncic today, one is in his prime while on is just starting his career

 

It's a credit to the coach and the system

Yes, in their careers, Bird owned Jordan and Jordan won most of those championships when Bird wasn't around.

 

Larry won with Bill Fitch and Larry also won with KC Jones so Larry thrived in two systems. Jordan never won anything without Phil Jackson.

Edited May 14, 2019 by will robie

[Legend_Killer]

Yes, in their careers, Bird owned Jordan and Jordan won most of those championships when Bird wasn't around.

 

Larry won with Bill Fitch and Larry also won with KC Jones so Larry thrived in two systems. Jordan never won anything without Phil Jackson.

 

It's an "if" based on cold, hard facts. Prime Bird is better than prime MJ. When Jordan retired, he was at his prime but the Bulls still gave the Knicks a competitive series which could have gone either way. Again, the Cs couldn't win a game in the playoffs without Bird in 1988-89. Prime Bird owns prime MJ.

 

Again basketball is a team sport, so what if MJ didn't win anything without Phil, so does Kobe, those 2 coaches were also HOFer, So what if the Celtics couldn't win without Bird, that speaks largely to the management and coaches, yes the Bulls almost made the Finals without MJ but does that discredit MJ, hell no

 

You can't say that a player is great just by judging what happened during their absence

[Legend_Killer]

I give Jordan credit for those but he never won a playoff game against Bird. Bird also dominated the all-time regular season match up. Moreover, Jordan won most of those championships when Bird was already a shell of his old self and Magic was already retired. Based on facts, my take is Jordan would not win 6 championships if both he and Larry went out of college in the same year.

 

LMAO you still put Bird over MJ despite those achievements just because he never won in the playoffs, and no it's not based on facts, that's based on pure speculation, I can say the same that Kobe would not have 5 rings if MJ was playing during his time

[will robie]

 

Again basketball is a team sport, so what if MJ didn't win anything without Phil, so does Kobe, those 2 coaches were also HOFer, So what if the Celtics couldn't win without Bird, that speaks largely to the management and coaches, yes the Bulls almost made the Finals without MJ but does that discredit MJ, hell no

 

You can't say that a player is great just by judging what happened during their absence

You just said credit to the coach and the system. It means that MJ can only win in a Phil Jackson system. Bird won in 2 systems. Hence, Bird is more adaptable to a coach than Jordan. Great players adapt to different coaching styles. Did you understand what I am getting at when I said that the Bulls were competitive without Jordan while the Celtics had no chance without Bird? It means that Larry is more important to Boston than MJ is to Chicago. These are incontrovertible facts.

 

Yes, one of the reasons you can say a player is great is the impact of his absence and it's been proven by Jordan's and Bird's absence. For the nth time, the Celtics need Larry more than the Bulls need MJ.

Edited May 15, 2019 by will robie