joshua_sx1 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Pinapayagan ng Pilipinas mangisda ang mga Chinese sa EEZ natin... tanong, papayagan din kaya tayo ng China na mangisda sa EEZ nila?... as a 'friend'? Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Have you read Tito Sotto's defense for China's fishermen? The most absurd thing I've ever heard. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Pinapayagan ng Pilipinas mangisda ang mga Chinese sa EEZ natin... tanong, papayagan din kaya tayo ng China na mangisda sa EEZ nila?... as a 'friend'?Can you post the exact statement saying that we allow the Chinese to fish in our EEZ? Or are you just stating an opinion? The UNCLOS has provisions allowing multiple claimants to fish in "Traditional Fishing Grounds" Quote Link to comment
Soraoi_empire Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Can you post the exact statement saying that we allow the Chinese to fish in our EEZ? Or are you just stating an opinion? The UNCLOS has provisions allowing multiple claimants to fish in "Traditional Fishing Grounds" Allow sila sa Panatag Shoal kasi traditional fishing ground yun. Pero dapat tayo ang may control sa area dahil pasok sa EEZ natin.. Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Allow sila sa Panatag Shoal kasi traditional fishing ground yun. Pero dapat tayo ang may control sa area dahil pasok sa EEZ natin.. di lang nman Chinese ang nangingisda sa area... may ibang Country din na pumapasok.. saka malamang matagal na yan issue sa pangigisda ng ibang bansa alam ng Malacanang ang punot dulo... hidden files ika nga hehehe Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 If the boat that rammed our fishermen vessel in Recto Bank isn't from China it would not be this big of an issue. Of course there would be an initial outrage but sovereignty would not even be an issue if let say Thailanders or Vietnamese are the suspects. There are a lot of fishermen across South East Asia that are violating borders, we are even thankful that those Vietnamese who saved those fishermen are in our EEZ kahit bawal din sila doon. Quote Link to comment
Booblehead Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 If i remember correctly, yes the Taiwanese were angry but they did not push through with the ban on Filipino workers. At the end of the day, Filipino workers have passable to above average english skills, diligent workers, napapaki-usapan and hindi war freaks. Second, nobody's espousing for us to go to war with China over this. Bakit ba parating ganon ang thinking? porke naghabol tayo war agad? andaming pinakulong nila abnoy na chinese fishermen, nasentensyahan pa yung iba, nag war ba? hindi naman diba. Yan ang laging sinasabi ng mga DDS pag usapang China eh usapang gera na rin. Hindi aabot sa gera yan kung manindigan tayo. Kung makapagsalita mga DDS akala mo kung sinong mga political analyst. LOL https://philippinesthesickmanofasia.blogspot.com/2019/06/thank-you-china-for-loving-us.html Quote Link to comment
djloe Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 well sana maayos sa usapan ito bakit kasi agad agad iniisip ng mga tao war kung pede naman ng diplomasya. Quote Link to comment
joshua_sx1 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Kung takot po tayo sa giyera dahil wala nga tayong kakayanan at resources,tama nga sa Pres. Duterte, manahimik at tanggapin na lang natin ang ating kapalaran. Pero bakit sa Canada, handang makipag-giyera si Duterte? Ano bang mayroon ang China at sunod-sunuran ang ating gobyerno sa kanila na wala ang Canada at madaling mag-declare ng giyera sa kanila? Sa punto na wala tayong kakayanan, para na din nating sinabi na OK na lang na i-bully, itaboy tayo sa ating EEZ at diktahan tayo ng ibang bansa. Sabi nga Duterte, aanhin nga naman natin ang yamang dagat, kung wala namang mamayanang kakain (dahil naubos na giyera)? Pero, aanhin din naman natin ang magkaroon ng sariling kakilanlan at gobyerno, kung di din naman nating kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili natin? Both ways are bad to us... but I guess, worst come to worst, dying of fighting our sovereignty is still a noble way to die... rather than being alive without our own sovereignty... Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Kung takot po tayo sa giyera dahil wala nga tayong kakayanan at resources,tama nga sa Pres. Duterte, manahimik at tanggapin na lang natin ang ating kapalaran. Pero bakit sa Canada, handang makipag-giyera si Duterte? Ano bang mayroon ang China at sunod-sunuran ang ating gobyerno sa kanila na wala ang Canada at madaling mag-declare ng giyera sa kanila? Sa punto na wala tayong kakayanan, para na din nating sinabi na OK na lang na i-bully, itaboy tayo sa ating EEZ at diktahan tayo ng ibang bansa. Sabi nga Duterte, aanhin nga naman natin ang yamang dagat, kung wala namang mamayanang kakain (dahil naubos na giyera)? Pero, aanhin din naman natin ang magkaroon ng sariling kakilanlan at gobyerno, kung di din naman nating kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili natin? Both ways are bad to us... but I guess, worst come to worst, dying of fighting our sovereignty is still a noble way to die... rather than being alive without our own sovereignty... Kung hindi natin kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili nating territory at sovereignty, anong dapat gawin natin? Di ba dapat palakasin natin ang sarili? Para makayanan nating ipagtanggol ang sarili natin? Hindi ba natin ito ginagawa sa kasalukuyan? Edited July 1, 2019 by camiar Quote Link to comment
joshua_sx1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Agreed. Kaya nga binabudgetan ng ating pangulo ang ating military. But at the same time, we shouldn't give up our claims easily. Kasi kahit dumating sa punto na may kakayanan na tayong makipag-giyera pero wala na tayong matibay na hawak sa mga lugar na angkin at tinayuan na ng China ng kanilang military base, lalabas na invader na tayo. 1 Quote Link to comment
Soraoi_empire Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) If the boat that rammed our fishermen vessel in Recto Bank isn't from China it would not be this big of an issue. Of course there would be an initial outrage but sovereignty would not even be an issue if let say Thailanders or Vietnamese are the suspects. There are a lot of fishermen across South East Asia that are violating borders, we are even thankful that those Vietnamese who saved those fishermen are in our EEZ kahit bawal din sila doon. Ang pinagkaiba kasi ng China sa ibang claimants ay yung nine dash line nila. Gusto kasi nila sakanila lahat at sobrang bully pa sa maliliit na bansa. Imbis na maging "Kuya" sila sa magkakaibigan para maayos ang problema eh sila pa ang nagsisimula ng gulo. Yung Vietnamese naman kasi willing din sila magshare ng resources although hindi ko makakalimutan yung ginawa nila pag-angkin dun sa dating hawak nating isang isla. Edited July 1, 2019 by Soraoi_empire Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 If the boat that rammed our fishermen vessel in Recto Bank isn't from China it would not be this big of an issue. Of course there would be an initial outrage but sovereignty would not even be an issue if let say Thailanders or Vietnamese are the suspects. There are a lot of fishermen across South East Asia that are violating borders, we are even thankful that those Vietnamese who saved those fishermen are in our EEZ kahit bawal din sila doon. The issue here is the ramming and the abandonment of our fishermen, hindi dahil sa China. Kahit Vietnam or ibang country nag ram and nag abandon sa fishermen natin, same lang din reaction nating mga Filipinos, ayaw natin sa kupal. Kupal moves kasi ginawa nila hindi dahil sa bansa nila. Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Kung hindi natin kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili nating territory at sovereignty, anong dapat gawin natin? Di ba dapat palakasin natin ang sarili? Para makayanan nating ipagtanggol ang sarili natin? Hindi ba natin ito ginagawa sa kasalukuyan? 1.) Anong dapat gawin? Pahalagahan yung ibang kaibigan natin na hindi nambu-bully satin sa EEZ natin para meron tayo counterbalance sa nambu-bully satin. Hindi yung yayakapin mo pa yung mismong nambu-bully satin. Kung tao lang yung Pilipinas para na syang meron Stockholm Syndrome eh. 2.) Yes palakasin ang ating sarili na sinimulan ni Playstation at thankfully, ipinagpatuloy naman ni Mayor Finger the Longkatuts na tulog. Plus points sakin si Mayor dito. 3.) Ginagawa natin sa kasalukuyan yung sagot number 2 ko pero mas maganda sana kung ang ginagawa ng gobyerno natin eh yung Sagot Number 1 & 2 ko. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 The issue here is the ramming and the abandonment of our fishermen, hindi dahil sa China. Kahit Vietnam or ibang country nag ram and nag abandon sa fishermen natin, same lang din reaction nating mga Filipinos, ayaw natin sa kupal. Kupal moves kasi ginawa nila hindi dahil sa bansa nila. Like I said, there will be an initial outrage. Pero kung hindi China yan Du30 and the opposition will have different treatment on the incident kumbaga walang halong political unlike with China. Quote Link to comment
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