South China/West Philippine Sea

[rooster69ph]

e di naman pala mangyayari ang gyera pero ayaw nyo magpakita ng good will sa pakikipagusap? gulo gulo.

Intindihin mo kasi kung ano ang pinagusapan sa bilateral talks ....

 

Pinagusapan ba na atin talaga ang scarborough at tayo ang talagang may karapatan mangisda kaya hayaan tayo mangisda o pinagusapan na dahil hindi natin kayang lumaban at di tayo lalaban pero payagan na tayong mangisda.

 

Alin sa dalawa ang nararapat na posisyon. Alin naman ang isinagawang posisyon? Simple as that.

Edited October 27, 2016 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

 

Di mangyayari ang giyera .... nagtatapang-tapangan lang yan si Duterte. Kita mo naman ang pinagsasabi niya noon di pa siya nanalo at ngayong nanalo na ... parang inurungan ng bayag. Di ba sinabi niya na hindi nga tayo mananalo sa Tsina. Kaya chummy-chummy na lang siya with them.

 

So you prefer na lets get to war to fight our sovereignty kung talagang ayaw sundin ng China ang court decision?

SA tingin ko kasi kahit anong talks ang gagawin hindi iiwan ng tuluyan yan dahil naka invest na ang China dyan and they have the might para hindi sila matinag. So what's the next option to negotiate? DU30 is negotiating na mag co exist sila doon and his priority is makapagpangisda ang mga pinoy doon. Ang dapat lang talaga is continuous ang pakikipagusap ang ganitin ang court ruling for leverage.

Edited October 28, 2016 by haroots2

[Kapote]

Intindihin mo kasi kung ano ang pinagusapan sa bilateral talks ....

 

Pinagusapan ba na atin talaga ang scarborough at tayo ang talagang may karapatan mangisda kaya hayaan tayo mangisda o pinagusapan na dahil hindi natin kayang lumaban at di tayo lalaban pero payagan na tayong mangisda.

 

Alin sa dalawa ang nararapat na posisyon. Alin naman ang isinagawang posisyon? Simple as that.

Sensya naman... di ako umiintindi. Kasi wala ako sa bilateral talks, di ko naman alam na may sumama pala dito sa bilateral talks. Ang nababasa ko lang sa news e inaangkin ng Pilipinas ang Panatag, inaangking ng China ang Panatag. Nagsampa tayo ng kaso sa International Court at ang ruling ay pabor sa ating mangingisda. Hindi tinatanggap ng China ang ruling dahil hindi DAW ito ang dispute mechanism na nakasaad sa UNCLOS kundi bilateral talks.

 

Sa makatuwid nanalo ka ng premyo sa malayong lugar pero di mo makuha ang premyo dahil walang maghahatid nito at wala ka ding kakayahang kunin ito.

 

Anyways, pag ganito ba ang balita dapat pa tayong magalit?

 

"Mga Pinoy na mangingisda, nakabalik na sa Scarborough Shoal"

 

http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/10/27/16/mga-pinoy-na-mangingisda-nakabalik-na-sa-scarborough-shoal

Edited October 28, 2016 by Kapote

[rooster69ph]

 

So you prefer na lets get to war to fight our sovereignty kung talagang ayaw sundin ng China ang court decision?

SA tingin ko kasi kahit anong talks ang gagawin hindi iiwan ng tuluyan yan dahil naka invest na ang China dyan and they have the might para hindi sila matinag. So what's the next option to negotiate? DU30 is negotiating na mag co exist sila doon and his priority is makapagpangisda ang mga pinoy doon. Ang dapat lang talaga is continuous ang pakikipagusap ang ganitin ang court ruling for leverage.

 

 

saan ko sinabing gusto ko magkagiyera?

 

 

 

Matanong kita ... kung may pagaari ka say a piece of land at may squatter na ayaw umalis at hindi mo naman mapaalis gamit ang dahas kasi mga halang ang kaluluwa ng mga yon. Ano ang gagawin mo kausapin mo na mag co-exist kayo na magpapatayo ka ng bahay at pwede silang makitira?

 

 

Back read a bit ... and you can get my stand.

 

ang issue lang naman dito eh ganito ... Digong should maintain that we have our claims/rights on Scarborough and therefore should be allowed to fish. Hindi yun sasabihin niya sa press na wala tayong laban, hindi tayo lalaban kaya nakikiusap na payagan tayong mangisda.

 

If he had the balls to say PI to the UN, US and others ... well at least have the balls to stand up for what is ours. Oh well honestly it does not surprise me why he acted such with the Chinese. ALAM NA!

Edited October 28, 2016 by rooster69ph

[rooster69ph]

Anyways, pag ganito ba ang balita dapat pa tayong magalit?

 

"Mga Pinoy na mangingisda, nakabalik na sa Scarborough Shoal"

 

http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/10/27/16/mga-pinoy-na-mangingisda-nakabalik-na-sa-scarborough-shoal

 

May nagagalit ba na pwede na muling mangisda? SIno?

 

Eh meron ba dapat na ikagalak ng bonggang-bongga na pwede na tayong mangisda sa lugar na sinasabing may karapatan naman tayo at dati na naman tayong nakakapangisda doon dahil PINAYAGAN tayo ng umaangkin.

 

Para bang pag binully ka at kinuha gamit mo at finally isinoli sa iyo mag THANK YOU ka ng to the MAX

Edited October 28, 2016 by rooster69ph

[Kapote]

 

May nagagalit ba na pwede na muling mangisda? SIno?

 

Eh meron ba dapat na ikagalak ng bonggang-bongga na pwede na tayong mangisda sa lugar na sinasabing may karapatan naman tayo at dati na naman tayong nakakapangisda doon dahil PINAYAGAN tayo ng umaangkin.

 

Para bang pag binully ka at kinuha gamit mo at finally isinoli sa iyo mag THANK YOU ka ng to the MAX

Meron, kung tatlong taon kang di nakapangisda. Kung naranasan mong kumain ng kanin at asin. Kung ginamit ka ng nakaraang administrasyon para sa sarili nilang hangarin pero hinayaan kang magutom ng walang kaakibat na plano kung paano ka bubuhayin. Kung ako ang nasa katayuan nila, magagalak ako.

 

Sabi nga ng isang Wise Man,pag nawala ang isa sa alaga mong tupa. Iiwan mo ang natitirang isang daan mong tupa para hanapin ang isa. At Kapag nahanap mo ay magdidiwang ka.

[rooster69ph]

Meron, kung tatlong taon kang di nakapangisda. Kung naranasan mong kumain ng kanin at asin. Kung ginamit ka ng nakaraang administrasyon para sa sarili nilang hangarin pero hinayaan kang magutom ng walang kaakibat na plano kung paano ka bubuhayin. Kung ako ang nasa katayuan nila, magagalak ako.

 

Sabi nga ng isang Wise Man,pag nawala ang isa sa alaga mong tupa. Iiwan mo ang natitirang isang daan mong tupa para hanapin ang isa. At Kapag nahanap mo ay magdidiwang ka.

 

 

Bro eto ang naunang tanong mo ...

 

Anyways, pag ganito ba ang balita dapat pa tayong magalit?

 

"Mga Pinoy na mangingisda, nakabalik na sa Scarborough Shoal"

 

 

So ang tanong ko may nagalit sa sa balitang yan?

 

Malayo naman yata ang sinagot mo sa tanong. Hindi naman tinatanong kung sino ang nagalit dahil hindi nakapangisda kundi sino ang nagagalit dahil nakabalik na sa pangingisda sa scarborough ang mga mangingisdang Pinoy.

[daphne loves derby]

Some people can't accept that we are only allowed by China to fish in Scarborough Shoal. I bet that person does not have an alternative pero hindi niya matanggap na pinayagan tayo ng China dun. How shallow can you get. Pride won't get you anywhere. The bottomline is our fishermen can now fish in the disputed waters. You can't eat pride.

 

Yeah.. Some people are just so blind that other peoples saving grace and salvation are just a laughing matter to them. Too much selfishness wont get you anywhere.

 

to me, its nothing but pure hatred and evil. bato bato sa langit, tamaan pikon

[juan t]

Being able to fish Scarborough is a welcome development but one has to wonder what is the cost. What is China expecting in return? If China doesn't get what it wants, we could very well be kicked out of Scarborough once again- then what? Will the US still back us up after all of DU30's tirades against them? DU30 seems to be pushing our country to the point where we have no choice BUT to bow to China.

Edited October 30, 2016 by juan t

[rooster69ph]

Hope there was no sellout.

[juan t]

What does China exactly want? Duterte just used his diplomacy so that our fishermen can put food in their table. There is no cost in being diplomatic. Aside from that diplomatic coup, Duterte also brought us investments from the Chinese. It seems to me that some Filipinos consider the US as the "end all and be all" of our foreign relations. What Duterte wants is for the US to respect us just as we respect them.

 

Sure there is a cost. There is always a cost. There is no such thing as a free lunch. For example: if we are agreeing that China is "allowing" us to fish there, then that, basically, is already costing us our sovereignty over the Scarborough Shoal.

[juan t]

So tell me, how do we enforce the UN arbitral ruling?

 

 

Well the original plan of the past administration was to take them to the Hague and get a favorable ruling (that was done). Step 2 was to, with the help of our allies, other claimant countries, and other sympathetic nations, put international pressure on China to comply.

[juan t]

The thing is our staunchest ally has not come to enforce our claim. Like I said, we can't enforce our claim so it is better to have bilateral talks than to depend on other nations to sympathize with us. We and only we can solve our problems and we can't depend on the sympathy of other nations because we can't control what they think or what they will do but we sure can control what we do.

 

First of all, the US will not enforce our claim for us. The US is only there to keep China in check. Nobody wants war here, not the US, not China and definitely not us.

 

Secondly, I welcome bilateral talks with China to try to soften them up. What i dont like is DU30 killing our other options just in case things don't go well with China. Our president needs to show diplomacy with ALL countries INCLUDING and especially the US.

[juan t]

Duterte is just trying to make the US respect us. The US does not need to interfere in our domestic issues like the EJK which the Senate cleared Duterte of.

 

C'mon now.. you and I know DU30 is going way overboard with his tirades. He could've handled this a lot better than he is doing.

 

 

 

The bilateral talks with China is not intended to soften China up. It is what China wanted in the first place. Look at what happened when Duterte talked to Xi. Our fishermen can now fish in the SS.

 

Being able to fish is a welcome development but it is not the end goal here. There are other more important issues here like sovereignty and freedom of navigation. Yes, we can fish.... But do we have sovereignty? Are we gonna be able to fly to HongKong without the fear of being shot down by a Chinese missile?

 

Edited October 31, 2016 by juan t

[juan t]

The end goal here is to have our fishermen ply their trade in the SS.

 

That's your opinion, not mine.

 

You talk about sovereignty over the SS. I ask you again. How do we enforce our sovereignty on the SS?

 

Are you trolling? That question has been answered above. Paulit-ulit ah! - International Pressure was the gameplan.

 

Huh? What does flying to Hongkong and being shot down have to do with the SS issue? First of all, if China doesn't want any Filipino to go to China, all it has to do is ban all PAL flights and deport all Filipinos there. The Chinese are not that dumb to shoot down commercial airliners.

 

Rhetoric my friend - Freedom of Navigation.