South China/West Philippine Sea

[Ignatum]

Saudi Arabia... Honor Killings galore and their primitive and crummy outlook on women...

 

Pakistan... Same with the Saudis plus the open Secret that their CIA, the ISI supports groups considered terrorists by the State Dept.

 

Iran before the Fall of the Shah...

 

Egypt... Hosni Mubarak's 30 year rule ring any bells???

 

Iraq during the 1980-88 war with Iran... this one takes the cake... Saddam was their poster boy of "Stability" in the 80s...

 

and a lot more...

 

hideous HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS my Novo Ecijano @$... Ayaw lang talaga nilang makayanan natin tumayo totally sa sarili nating paa...

 

Correct!

 

About doon s Iraq-Ian war, Si Saddam ang bata nila para mabawi ang Iran, kawawa nga ang Iraq dahil ginyera sila ng kano dahil ayaw nilang ibigay ang oil nila s US noong 90's

 

Human Rights Violation? Ay oo talamak ang kano dyan

 

more than 10,000 afghan civillians n ang pinapatay nila and 60,000 s Iraq from 2003-2011, salamat s wikileaks.

 

Iran before the fall of Shah, they assassinated Mossadegh because he refused the offer of ECONOMIC HITMEN to give his oil to the global elitists thats why the JACKALS(CIA) took him out

 

Even before Mossadegh, the South American nations already experienced assassinations on their presidents during the 50's

 

Same thing happened to Saddam, the only reason why military ang hinarap niya dahil hindi siya kaya ng mga JACKALS(CIA).

 

3 steps on how the global elitists kills a nation

 

1.) ECONOMIC HITMEN

 

These guys will bribe presidents & bureaucrats to get a nation's natural resources or to forcefully subjugate it to join globalization.

 

2.) JACKALS(CIA)

 

If step 1 doesn't work, the assassins will take place to overthrow(usually assassinations) a good president and replace it with a yes-man(puppet) president. This happened in Libya, Gaddafi's death.

 

3.) MILITARY

 

If step 2 isn't good enough, then they send in the military under the guise of INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE. This is what happened to Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran & Syria are next.

 

Ganda talaga pag nalalaman m ang totoong nangyayari, kaysa s puro Spratly at usapang "Anong eroplano ang bibilhin?".

 

 

 

 

[dos8dos]

para palang sniper ang f-22. pang long-range. pero syempre puputok pa rin pag nagkalapitan.

 

the PROPONENTS of f22 in pentagon advocates the BVR (beyond visual range), first to see the enemy gets to k*ll doctrine, wherein the USAF pilots will rely heavily on the RADAR & long range missile system on board the plane. in addition f22 radar system is augmented by AWACS radar system, thats the SECRET of most BVR kills of f14, f15, f16 against russian made fighters. together with its stealthy feature, at a distance f22 is LESS visible to enemy radar at a CERTAIN angle more to the side wherein the wedge angled shape of the fuselage was designed to reflect electromagnetic energy away from the source (enemy radar), that makes f22 a deadly machine at a distance. but the concept of reflecting electromagnetic wave away from the source doesnt hold TRUE on TOP & BOTTOM (widest area) of the aircraft. in the TOP & BOTTOM angle the use of composite materials is expected to absorb electromagnetic energy for f22 to come undetected. however, a good radar from enemy fighters with LOOK-DOWN-SHOOT-DOWN capability can detect f22 if they fly higher than f22.

 

the notion of INVISIBLE to radar is not TRUE as proven by the incident when serbia shot down an f117 stealth bomber during the balkan war in the 90s.

Edited August 25, 2012 by dos8dos

[heatseeker0714]

sometimes even with RIGHTEOUS america, PRINCIPLES are set aside by the LUSTER of BLACK GOLD. the americans know that the arabs have dismal HUMAN RIGHTS record but would be willing to look the other way specially for WEALTHY arab countries like saudi bcoz if they dont sell to the saudis the russians stand to BENEFIT

 

BY STANDING IN YOUR OWN 2 FEET, 1.) YOU OUGHT NOT TO EXPECT A FREE LUNCH

 

if we can afford to BUY & for whatever reason the US govt wont sell, its only LOGICAL 2.) to go buy from another arms supplier OR build your own & shoulder ALL the COST associated with R&D (raw materials, KNOW HOW)

 

 

1.) Bakit? Sino ba nagsabi na ang Pinoy always nag-eexpect ng Free Lunch????? Tayo na nga nag-alok na Bibilin natin yung F-16s nila, hindi naman natin hinihingi yon.

 

2.) Hence our planned PURCHASES (again, no FREE LUNCH) of the following;

 

2 Maestrale Class Frigates from Italy

2 Minnerva Class Offshore Patrol Vessels from Italy

12 T/A-50s from South Korea

6 (already delivered and already in use by the Phil. Army) ACV-300 Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicles with more planned from Turkey

8 (with 4 already delivered and being used by PAF, last 4 to be delivered this November) Sokol Combat Utility Helicopters from PZL Swidnik of Poland which is majority owned by Augusta Westland, a WESTERN EUROPEAN company.

 

Whoever said na nakatali Major Defence Acquisitions natin sa US??? Non-US made major weapons systems are welcome in the AFP, just don't peddle those worthless EASTERN EUROPEAN JUNK. Makakamura ka nga sa sticker price pero sa after sales and logistics support ka naman papatayin.

 

the PROPONENTS of f22 in pentagon advocates the BVR (beyond visual range), first to see the enemy gets to k*ll doctrine, wherein the USAF pilots will rely heavily on the RADAR & long range missile system on board the plane. in addition f22 radar system is augmented by AWACS radar system, thats the SECRET of most BVR kills of f14, f15, f16 against russian made fighters. together with its stealthy feature, at a distance f22 is LESS visible to enemy radar at a CERTAIN angle more to the side wherein the wedge angled shape of the fuselage was designed to reflect electromagnetic energy away from the source (enemy radar), that makes f22 a deadly machine at a distance. but the concept of reflecting electromagnetic wave away from the source doesnt hold TRUE on TOP & BOTTOM (widest area) of the aircraft. in the TOP & BOTTOM angle the use of composite materials is expected to absorb electromagnetic energy for f22 to come undetected. however, a good radar from enemy fighters with LOOK-DOWN-SHOOT-DOWN capability can detect f22 if they fly higher than f22.

 

the notion of INVISIBLE to radar is not TRUE as proven by the incident when serbia shot down an f117 stealth bomber during the balkan war in the 90s.

 

Check your facts. Stealth technology on US aircraft were never touted to make the plane INVISIBLE per se... It only makes them HARDER TO DETECT ON RADAR... Big Difference between the 2.

Edited August 27, 2012 by TheSmilingBandit

[heatseeker0714]

What do you folks think about the reopening of Subic Bay and Clark Air Base as an active installation? I recalled sometime during the Bush (W) administration that it was proposed and I think it was GMA and her administration that abruptly shut it down. Now from what I understand there are talks between NoyNoy entertaining that idea.

 

I know Subic Bay can hold the entire Pacific fleet within itself and would be strategically closer to respond to the Southwestern Asian nations. It would certainly deter the aforementioned country(s) mentioned in this topic; the Spratly Island claims would definitely not be an issue.

 

So what say you all?

 

I personally think I would reenlist if Clark AB were to be reinstated. I would love to be stationed where family is originally from and would not mind taking the fight to defend a country that doesn't need to be imposed on.

 

 

*Please excuse if this topic is already being discussed in another sub forum.

 

No can do... too many nationalistic @$$h0l3s in the House of Representatives and the Senate... That's why the Americans secretly supported the failed MOA-AD with the BJE a couple of years ago... it would be easier for them to get access from the BJE than the Philippine Legislature had that BJE ABOMINATION succeeded in hoodwinking the Filipino People...

[dungeonbaby]

Saudi Arabia... Honor Killings galore and their primitive and crummy outlook on women...

 

Pakistan... Same with the Saudis plus the open Secret that their CIA, the ISI supports groups considered terrorists by the State Dept.

 

Iran before the Fall of the Shah...

 

Egypt... Hosni Mubarak's 30 year rule ring any bells???

 

Iraq during the 1980-88 war with Iran... this one takes the cake... Saddam was their poster boy of "Stability" in the 80s...

 

and a lot more...

 

hideous HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS my Novo Ecijano @$... Ayaw lang talaga nilang makayanan natin tumayo totally sa sarili nating paa...

 

di kaya dahil di lang talaga tayo ganon kahalaga sa kanila?

 

by the way, quite amusing to see you pointing out others' misogynistic practices.

[heatseeker0714]

1. ) di kaya dahil di lang talaga tayo ganon kahalaga sa kanila?

 

2.) by the way, quite amusing to see you pointing out others' misogynistic practices.

 

1.) Actually ganon tayo kahalaga sa kanila kaya nga ayaw nila tayong maging independent... gusto nila nakatali tayo sa kanila...

 

2.) why naman? do you think i have misogynistic tendencies ba?

[dos8dos]

Check your facts. Stealth technology on US aircraft were never touted to make the plane INVISIBLE per se... It only makes them HARDER TO DETECT ON RADAR... Big Difference between the 2.

 

well there goes hollywood stealth movies

 

1.) Bakit? Sino ba nagsabi na ang Pinoy always nag-eexpect ng Free Lunch????? Tayo na nga nag-alok na Bibilin natin yung F-16s nila, hindi naman natin hinihingi yon.

 

2.) Hence our planned PURCHASES (again, no FREE LUNCH) of the following;

 

2 Maestrale Class Frigates from Italy

2 Minnerva Class Offshore Patrol Vessels from Italy

12 T/A-50s from South Korea

6 (already delivered and already in use by the Phil. Army) ACV-300 Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicles with more planned from Turkey

8 (with 4 already delivered and being used by PAF, last 4 to be delivered this November) Sokol Combat Utility Helicopters from PZL Swidnik of Poland which is majority owned by Augusta Westland, a WESTERN EUROPEAN company.

 

Whoever said na nakatali Major Defence Acquisitions natin sa US??? Non-US made major weapons systems are welcome in the AFP, just don't peddle those worthless EASTERN EUROPEAN JUNK. Makakamura ka nga sa sticker price pero sa after sales and logistics support ka naman papatayin.

 

brad americans entertain MULTIPLE BILLION DOLLAR DEALS that makes it WORTH their while to open up production lines

 

the saudis can afford that, in contrast we cant

 

americans know that for a FACT & that certainly makes the BIG DIFFERENCE for the americans to bend their rules

 

those you refer to as JUNKS are in FACT FORMIDABLE weapons which earned the RESPECT of the americans. before the advent advent of mig-25, the americans used to violating russian airspace with U2 spy flights. when the mig-25 was deployed the americans ceased all U2 spy flights in areas where the mig-25 were stationed

 

so what earns RESPECT? the ability of a nation to HARNESS TECHNOLOGY or the MONEY a nation can muster in order to BUY that TECHNOLOGY specially for DEFENSIVE purposes

 

What do you folks think about the reopening of Subic Bay and Clark Air Base as an active installation? I recalled sometime during the Bush (W) administration that it was proposed and I think it was GMA and her administration that abruptly shut it down. Now from what I understand there are talks between NoyNoy entertaining that idea.

 

I know Subic Bay can hold the entire Pacific fleet within itself and would be strategically closer to respond to the Southwestern Asian nations. It would certainly deter the aforementioned country(s) mentioned in this topic; the Spratly Island claims would definitely not be an issue.

 

So what say you all?

 

I personally think I would reenlist if Clark AB were to be reinstated. I would love to be stationed where family is originally from and would not mind taking the fight to defend a country that doesn't need to be imposed on.

 

 

*Please excuse if this topic is already being discussed in another sub forum.

 

VFA (visiting forces agreement) reopened clark & subic to the americans in a NON-PERMANENT basing arrangement

Edited August 27, 2012 by TheSmilingBandit

[heatseeker0714]

brad americans entertain 1.) MULTIPLE BILLION DOLLAR DEALS that makes it WORTH their while to open up production lines

 

the saudis can afford that, in contrast we cant

 

americans know that for a FACT & that certainly makes the BIG DIFFERENCE for the americans to bend their rules

 

those you refer to as JUNKS are in FACT FORMIDABLE weapons which earned the RESPECT of the americans. 2.) before the advent advent of mig-25, the americans used to violating russian airspace with U2 spy flights. when the mig-25 was deployed the americans ceased all U2 spy flights in areas where the mig-25 were stationed

 

so what earns RESPECT? the ability of a nation to HARNESS TECHNOLOGY or the MONEY a nation can muster in order to BUY that TECHNOLOGY specially for DEFENSIVE purposes

 

1.) The Americans do sell in retail if it is in their interests.

 

2.) With regard to the Mig-25 thingy... Hay nako... Check your facts again... Francis Gary Powers was shot down in his U-2 by a Soviet SA-2 Surface to Air Missile in 1960, not by Mig-25s... The prototype (it being in the experimental stage) of the Mig-25 first flew in 1964 and entered front line service in the Red Air Force and Air Defence Forces in 1970... nung 1960 wala pang Mig-25, baka nasa Drawing Boards pa lang ng mga engineers sa Mikoyan-Gurevich... Naman... Sagot mo "Drawing" din... Research my boy... Research... It'll save you a lot of heartaches...

Edited August 27, 2012 by heatseeker0714

[fatchubs]

I have no problem with this. Personally, I didn't want the US bases to go because, first and foremost, it is a deterrent to international bullying, which China is doing to us now.

 

 

 

The irony of things is that we don't want the US bases to go and yet even with just the VFA this happened ...

 

 

 

Controversy

The U.S. has at least twice used the Agreement to keep accused military personnel under U.S. jurisdiction. This most recently occurred on January 18, 2006, when the U.S. refused to hand over custody four soldiers accused of rape during the period of their trial in Filipino courts. This has led to unrest amongst many in the Philippines, who believe that the Agreement is one-sided, prejudicial to Filipinos, and a fetter on the sovereignty of the Philippines. The Agreement is seen by some Filipinos as granting immunity from prosecution to U.S. military personnel who commit crimes against Filipinos, and is seen by some as treating Filipinos as second class citizens in their own country. As a result of these issues, in 2006 the Philippine government considered terminating the VFA.

 

 

 

We hope that the US can protect us from international bullying and yet we are their victims ....

 

 

 

[dungeonbaby]

our average national IQ is 86.

 

no, this isn't off topic.

[fatchubs]

Ang "pagtulong" ba ng mga KANO laban sa international bullying ay nagbibigay karapatan sa kanila na gumawa ng katarantaduhan sa loob mismo ng bansang kanilang pinoprotektahan?

 

 

Ayaw nating na bubully ng nga Tsino pero sa Kano ok lang? Tulad nito ... Bakit ang Pinas walang nagawa? Samantalang ang Hapon nakapalag? Dahil ba sa alam ng US na kayang kaya nila tayo?<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

 

 

 

U.S. envoy offers apology over Okinawa rape case.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/13/us-japan-okinawa-rape-idUST30768020080213

 

 

[tigertrap]

Speaking of the flaws of the VFA. Whats Ironic is, the accuser (Nicole) is now living in the US

 

I would rather that we stand on our own and revive the SDRP, fastrack the modernization and narrow the gap. We all know the this 9 dash claim is nuts! The Chinese actions on the South Seas dispute is aggression pure and simple and it is because of its natural resources and the purported presence of oil.

 

It is far worse than the actions of Hitler and Mussolini on the eve of World War II. Hitler’s claims on the Sudetenland and German-speaking parts of Poland have at least some historical basis. At one time these areas were part of the First Reich i.e. Charlemagne’s Holy Roman Empire. Mussolini’s claims to parts of the Balkan Peninsula like Albania and parts of Yugoslavia also have historical basis. They were once part of the Roman Empire. In the case of the Chinese claims to the South China Sea its only basis is that their fishermen have been fishing in these waters since way back.

 

Fishing in distant waters does not confer ownership. The Japanese, the Americans and the Scandinavian countries have been whale fishing in Antarctic Waters since the l7th Century, but this was not used as a pretext by these countries to claim ownership of the Antarctic. The accepted principle in International Law is ownership is conferred on a country by right of discovery, which must be followed by effective occupation. Moreover, the occupation must be continuous.

 

This is the reason why the acts of Hitler and Mussolini drew universal condemnation before WW II because they did not have continuous occupation of the territories they were claiming. In the case of China now, they have never occupied the Scarborough Shoal at all in the past. They have not even claimed right of discovery; it is more likely that our pre-Spanish ancestors reached these waters before the Chinese. Thus, their claim to Scarborough Shoal is on far more shaky ground than Hitler and Mussolini’s territorial claims before World War II

[fatchubs]

 

Wait, you're blaming the U.S. for them getting away with the types of infractions and violations they've made? If China or any other country made the same violations and committed the same crimes, would you blame that nation or the U.S? Was Japan treated in a different manner than the Philippines? Or did Japan handle the situation differently than the Philippines should have asserted?

 

Kano. Chino. Who is ultimately responsible for the U.S.'s mistreatment? What are your suggestions as far as preventing it from occurring this time around. I am pretty sure the U.S. is more open and receptive to any grievances than a country who wants to snag a portion of the islands and claim it as their own.

 

There is no one to blame but ourselves ... if we can't stand for our rights, defend ourselves, who will? We are afraid to be bullied by China and yet we are we willing to accept the US with open arms despite being victims of its "mistreatment" (as you say)? Do we still value our DIGNITY as much as other nations do?

 

 

Just look at two 'rape" incident wherein US military men are accused ... while under both agreement the US have with Japan and RP it indicated that the host country will have no jurisdiction over their men when they are accused of crimes. But look what they did over the Okinawa rape case. Do we think it came without the Japanese gov't doing anything?

[tigertrap]

If your basis for the claims of Mussolini in the Balkans is coz it was once part of the Roman Empire, you might as well throw in France , Great Britain, Germany, Spain, etc. in the mix. These countries were once part of the Roman Republic then the Roman Empire.

 

This is the twisted basis of the Chinese and they should be under Mongolia if we apply this line of reasoning

 

Fishing in distant waters does not confer ownership. The Japanese, the Americans and the Scandinavian countries have been whale fishing in Antarctic Waters since the l7th Century, but this was not used as a pretext by these countries to claim ownership of the Antarctic. The accepted principle in International Law is ownership is conferred on a country by right of discovery, which must be followed by effective occupation. Moreover, the occupation must be continuous.

 

This is the reason why the acts of Hitler and Mussolini drew universal condemnation before WW II because they did not have continuous occupation of the territories they were claiming. In the case of China now, they have never occupied the Scarborough Shoal at all in the past. They have not even claimed right of discovery; it is more likely that our pre-Spanish ancestors reached these waters before the Chinese. Thus, their claim to Scarborough Shoal is on far more on shaky ground than Hitler and Mussolini’s territorial claims before World War II.

 

The Spanish name for Scarborough shoal is "Bajo de Masinloc" literally meaning "under Masinloc". It is also called Panacot. Masinloc is a municipality in Zambales, Philippines. So Scarborough was, during Spanish rule, UNDER MASINLOC.

 

China named it "Huangyan Dao" only during the 1947 (if I recall correctly)? So... are they lying to us now by saying the Chinese had a name for it already before the Spanish named it "Bajo de Masinloc"? You can refer to the 1749 Fr. Pedro Murillo Velarde Map of the Philippines for this.

[dungeonbaby]

The accepted principle in International Law is ownership is conferred on a country by right of discovery, which must be followed by effective occupation. Moreover, the occupation must be continuous.

 

...

 

 

In the case of China now, they have never occupied the Scarborough Shoal at all in the past. They have not even claimed right of discovery; it is more likely that our pre-Spanish ancestors reached these waters before the Chinese. Thus, their claim to Scarborough Shoal is on far more on shaky ground than Hitler and Mussolini's territorial claims before World War II.

 

 

which is why the Chinese put structures on these islands. a form of occupancy. it could be a plaque, it could be a high wall surrounding a concrete garrison. where the Philippines has a hut and a flag on its island, the Chinese have a fort on theirs.

[dungeonbaby]

the Philippines as an ally was just mentioned by former US secretary of state Condi Rice in her roundly praised speech to the RNC, where she talked of the US' standing in the world as endangered. she said the US must make certain that her allies, from "Poland to the Philippines," know America is right there with them.

[tigertrap]

which is why the Chinese put structures on these islands. a form of occupancy. it could be a plaque, it could be a high wall surrounding a concrete garrison. where the Philippines has a hut and a flag on its island, the Chinese have a fort on theirs.

 

Yep, they even established Sansha city as a form of effective jurisdiction and administration that oddly enough cements our argument. Creeping invasion I tell ya

[tigertrap]

You said that Mussolini lay claim to the Balkans coz of the historical basis that it was once part of the Roman Empire. Great Britain, France, Germany Spain, etc. also were part of the Roman Empire so there is a historical basis for Mussolini to also claim these countries as part of Italy. I agree with you, though,that China doesn't have a historical basis for claiming Scarborough Shoal.

 

It is a logic that is both twisted and with malice, actually China is claiming to have historical basis, even mentioning an alleged Han dynasty map which up to now hasnt been shown.

 

The Treaty of Paris can prove that Scarborough is part of the Philippines using the maps used in the drafting of the treaty.

 

However, for Spratlys, the Philippines is using the concept of Res Nullius and effective jurisdiction to claim the said islands. With Japan surrendering the said islands in the Treaty of San Francisco and assigning it to no one, these islands became Res Nullius. The Philippines then exercised occupation and effective jurisdiction of the islands classified as Res Nullius since 1956, earlier than any other country who tried to forcibly occupy these islands.

[tigertrap]

What is the P.I.'s relationship with Vietnam?

 

Apparently they have a maritime law that declares some jurisdiction over the Spratlys, even the Paracels Islands. China's State Council obviously has objections to Vietnam's law as they claim both island groups as their own, even assigning them their own Chinese-based names labeled by the city of Sansha as mentioned a few posts ago.

 

Cordial as we have the tiff with China as they do. They even had ramming incidents, survey ship cables being cut and even deaths of Vietnamese Marines back in 88. The difference is, Vietnam is handling the Chinese bullying better than we do.

 

I think you are referring to UNCLOS, which is 200nautical miles from land, the Philippines claim at WPS is encompassing other claimants Exclusive Economic Zone too, this is the reason why this should be settled at ITLOS or International Tribunal for the Law of the Seas.

 

Vietnam has been fighting with China over this atoll claim since the 70's and 80's. The P.I. barely drafted a peaceful resolution towards their claim in '92.

 

The animosity between the two countries goes as far back as the Vietnam war. One side being provided for by the Chinese and the Russians etc. and the other by the US and other countries.

 

The Chinese never expected us to react this way, some sectors are saying that this is a divertionary tactic to stroke up nationalistic sentiments and to veer the public away from the scandals the Chinese Government is facing right now, from a prominent leaders wife and sons involvement in the murder of a British national to the very roman sex capades of senior Chinese officials that recently leaked in the Chinese version of Tweeter called Weibo. And the biggest reason of all, the potentially huge amount of OIL and NATURAL GAS.

 

The Chinese think the older the map, the stronger it is as evidence. Assuming that the Chinese really has the 1270's map in their possession and presents it as evidence. The document MAY prove the Chinese discovered the shoal back then and documented it. But the Philippines is using the 1600's map not for determining who mapped the area first, but to prove that we exercised effective jurisdiction of the area since the year 1600's, and Bajo de Masinloc is a part of the municipality of Masinloc, Zambales Philippines. Even the fisher folks from Zambales regularly go there to fish until recently.

 

Who wins the legal battle then when these two evidences are presented? Obviously, the Philippines! The Chinese are aware of this and this is one of the many reasons why they do not want this settled by ITLOS, they will lose.

 

Effective jurisdiction supercedes discovery in any territorial claim and they are aware of this, reason why they established Sansha City which now covers Panatag shoal and Kalayaan Island Group. It doesn't matter who can produce the oldest map because old maps do not determine today's boundaries! What's important is that international law (based on international customs and treaties such as UNCLOS) sides with the Philippines. China cannot claim Panatag as an integral part of its territory or its baseline because Panatag is a shoal that is INCAPABLE OF SUPPORTING PERMANENT HUMAN SETTLEMENT, whereas Panatag is clearly within our EEZ and is inside the 200NM as designated by the international law. What they are doing inside our territorial waters is clearly trespassing and poaching!

Edited September 1, 2012 by tigertrap

[dungeonbaby]

Apparently they have a maritime law that declares some jurisdiction over the Spratlys, even the Paracels Islands. China's State Council obviously has objections to Vietnam's law as they claim both island groups as their own, even assigning them their own Chinese-based names labeled by the city of Sansha as mentioned a few posts ago.

 

...

 

I didn't see the RNC broadcast, Ms. DB, though I wish I would've. She's always been an advocate of the RP as an ally and may have even originally brought up the proposal of reopening of during her tenure with the Bush administration.

 

the Chinese effectively own the Paracels. i checked how far away it was from Vietnam and it's clearly nearer to China being 180 nautical miles off of Hainan. (the French used to claim it and that made me wonder if any of the fisherfolk or military men there today know how to make croissants. sorry, dessert is my waterloo.) anyway, Scarborough Shoal is closer to us than that, and is very clearly closer to Zambales than to Hainan, go figure.

 

yes, it was def interesting that we were mentioned in a speech that was mostly about US international policy.

[sklardrog]

The Chinese can't be trusted. They are using their economic power to bully their smaller neighbors. They can try starting a war with us and their other neighbors. Like Germany in World War 2, they will still lose fighting a multi-front war.

[dungeonbaby]

we ask the Americans to help us in our row with China and yet...we align ourselves with Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe, and the Darfur butcher himself - Omar al-Bashir, in supporting - what else - Iran's nuclear energy program right in the middle of its showdown with the US. way to go Philippines, what turncoats.

 

someone said here that China doesn't respect us because we have no hardware. is it possible China doesn't respect us because we have no backbone, either..

[fatchubs]

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someone said here that China doesn't respect us because we have no hardware. is it possible China doesn't respect us because we have no backbone, either..

 

Hindi impossible yan ...

[heatseeker0714]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=846907&publicationSubCategoryId=63

 

Singapore backs Phl on Spratly issue

 

RUSSKY ISLAND, Vladivostok – Singapore is fully behind the Philippines in its claim over the Spratly islands that is being contested by economic and military giant China and four other neighboring countries, a top Philippine diplomat said here yesterday.

 

Republic of the Philippines 8, 1

 

Show of public support

-Singapore

-Japan

-South Korea

-Indonesia

-Thailand

-Russia

-Australia

-New Zealand

-India

 

Basically, countries that MATTER...

 

Behind the scenes support

-USA

 

 

People's Republic of China 1, 2

 

Show of public support

-Cambodia

 

Behind the scenes support

-North Korea

-Islamic Republic of Iran

 

Basically, countries that are f*c3d-up...

Edited September 9, 2012 by heatseeker0714

[*kalel*]

curiois lang, nung time ba ni apo ferdie, someone dard cross our bounderies na katulad ngayon? R its just press freedom curtailed?