South China/West Philippine Sea

[kanto-terrorist]

if this is chess, we already lose the war since our honorable senate ejected the US bases. Chinese are quick to position themselves strategically, and I doubt if portion of US forces can even help us with this issue. the only thing left for us is the UNCLOS.

[camiar]

Here is why: WMD

North Vietnam defeated USA in the Vietnam War. But USA did not use its WMD vs. North Vietnam.

 

You think China will use WMD vs. the Philippines in a fight for shoals and isles?

[camiar]

if this is chess, we already lose the war since our honorable senate ejected the US bases. Chinese are quick to position themselves strategically, and I doubt if portion of US forces can even help us with this issue. the only thing left for us is the UNCLOS.

You really think we should leave it to the US to fight for our sovereignty?

The US bases were still here when the Chinese started encroaching into our shoals and sand banks. They did not do anything.

[*kalel*]

Nagrally na ba sa tapat ng chinese embassy ang akbayan, bayan, lfs at kmu to protest yung breach in sovereignty tulad ng ginagawa nila pag me westerner allegedly incursion sa pinas?

[camiar]

Nagrally na ba sa tapat ng chinese embassy ang akbayan, bayan, lfs at kmu to protest yung breach in sovereignty tulad ng ginagawa nila pag me westerner allegedly incursion sa pinas?

 

I don't understand your logic. Does akbayan, et. al. have anything to do with this?

 

Did the Americans in Clark Air Base and Subic Naval Base do anything when the Chinese People's Liberation Army constructed their illegal structures in the Spratlys? No, they didn't do anything.

 

Don't expect them to. It's not their job. It's ours.

 

Don't expect foreigners to protect your sovereignty.

[Soraoi_empire]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

[pinpoint015]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

 

Wala namang silbi yang kaso natin sa Arbitral tribunal eh. Di naman natatakot ang China dun. Ang China ngayon, parang Japan nung 1930s. May sanction na ang League of Nations sa kanila, wala sila pakialam. Dapat dyan, may kumompronta. Kung ginamitan tayo ng water cannon, gamitan din natin sila. Yung reresbak ka pero up to the point lang na hindi mo mapoprovoke ang mga Chinese.

[camiar]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

If the Arbitral Tribunal rules in our favor, then the international community will support us.

 

The Chinese will be politically isolated if they do not heed the Tribunal's ruling. Also, our ASEAN neighbors, Japan, and the US will have the valid political reason to openly support our struggle against the Chinese encroachment.

 

Nevertheless, it is still our responsibility to do the dirty job of expelling the Chinese out of our shoals. I'm sure our AFP has plans for that.

[*kalel*]

I don't understand your logic. Does akbayan, et. al. have anything to do with this?

 

Did the Americans in Clark Air Base and Subic Naval Base do anything when the Chinese People's Liberation Army constructed their illegal structures in the Spratlys? No, they didn't do anything.

 

Don't expect them to. It's not their job. It's ours.

 

Don't expect foreigners to protect your sovereignty.

You do not need to understand my logic... it is a simple question answerable by yes or no... btw akbayan et al is not a foreign entity.. sila palagi yung nagrarally at nagsasabing nag breach ng sovereignty ang US sa Pinas....

[camiar]

We should have enough national pride and dignity to be willing to fight for our sovereignty against the Chinese. Even if the odds are overwhelmingly against us.

 

Vietnam showed how when they harassed the Chinese oil rig and its naval escort ships more than a thousand times, using hundreds of unarmed civilian boats. It went on relentlessly until the Chinese realized the foolishness of their show of force in bringing their oil rig into the Paracels.

 

Moral of the story:

We can always wipe out a puny little hornet's nest, but it will not stop them from stinging us in droves if we disturb their home. And that is why we leave them alone.

Edited March 16, 2016 by camiar

[Soraoi_empire]

After nung nangyari sa Quirino atoll, Ph coast guard na mismo nagsabi na two years na nilang hindi napupuntahan para bantayan yung area na yun kasi may utos daw sakanila na i-pull out muna mga ships natin kasi makakaapekto daw sa case natin sa arbitration. Hindi ko maintindihan yang strategy nila pinoy, parang pagdating sa mga decision making sobrang mahina. Pwede naman magpatrolya yung mga ships natin dun, hindi naman ibig sabihin makikipag giyera na tayo sa china pero para atleast may makita lang na presence ng coast guard natin dun para lang malimitahan yung galaw ng china. Yung "pull out strategy" kasi na yan isa din yan sa dahilan kung bakit nawala satin ang scarborough shoal eh. Kaya ko din nasabi na mahina decision making ni pinoy dahil dun sa :

 

1. Manila Hostage Crisis

2. Ph coast guard and taiwanese fishing boat shooting incident

3. Bohol earthquake

4. Yolanda

5. SAF 44

6. Scarborough standoff

 

Yung paghandle ng lahat ng iyan, ewan ko ba parang hindi satisfied ang mga tao.

[Soraoi_empire]

Bakit hindi gumawa ng pier/dock ang goverment natin sa pag-asa island para pwede makapag-stay ang mga coast guard vessels natin dun? mas mapapadali pa yung pagmonitor nila sa iba pang mga isla hawak natin. Sa ngyon kasi isang rubber boat lang gingamit ng mga taga-bantay natin sa pag-asa, panu nila masasaway yung mga iligal na nangigisda dun eh mas malalaki pa yung mga bangka nila kaysa sa rubberboat natin

Edited March 28, 2016 by Soraoi_empire

[heatseeker0714]

Bakit hindi gumawa ng pier/dock ang goverment natin sa pag-asa island para pwede makapag-stay ang mga coast guard vessels natin dun? mas mapapadali pa yung pagmonitor nila sa iba pang mga isla hawak natin. Sa ngyon kasi isang rubber boat lang gingamit ng mga taga-bantay natin sa pag-asa, panu nila masasaway yung mga iligal na nangigisda dun eh mas malalaki pa yung mga bangka nila kaysa sa rubberboat natin

 

Development Projects are currently on hold prior to the decision of the PCA re our case against the PRC. To maintain and show our "Good Faith" per the DFA Peeps.

[camiar]

 

Development Projects are currently on hold prior to the decision of the PCA re our case against the PRC. To maintain and show our "Good Faith" per the DFA Peeps.

That means, once the Arbitral court's decision is given, that's the only time we can resume development projects?

 

In the meantime, the Chinese artificial island in recto reef is growing faster than ever.

 

It might be too late for us when the time comes.

[heatseeker0714]

That means, once the Arbitral court's decision is given, that's the only time we can resume development projects?

 

In the meantime, the Chinese artificial island in recto reef is growing faster than ever.

 

It might be too late for us when the time comes.

Yup... Actually AFP atat na atat na ipa-ayos yung runway natin dun and to put up a berth for a PCG or BFAR Vessel... Kaso with re to this issue, Albert Del Rosario and his DFA Peeps are the ones calling the shots... Kahit wala na si ADR sa DFA, eh ilang buwan na lang, hindi na din tayo makaka-kilos due to the upcoming Presidential Elections...

 

Pa-consuelo na lang ni Abnoy sa Philippine Navy are the ff:

 

3 used Hamilton Class Cutters from the US (they were given to us for free except for the refurbishment costs of 10 and 15 Million USD which is cheap considering a brand new Hamilton at today's prices is around 200 Mil USD, the 3rd Hamilton hindi pa natin alam kung magkano magagastos.)

 

1 used Research Vessel, the Melville (donated din. Yung 3rd Hamilton natin saka Melville yung sinabi ni Pareng Barrack last November)

 

5 used Balikpapan Class Landing Craft Heavy (2 donated by the Aussies while 3 were sold to us at a Friendship price of Php270Mil)

 

1 used Landing Craft Utility from the South Kimchi Eaters (donasyon ulit)

 

3 Brand New Multi Purpose Attack Crafts

 

2 Brand New Strategic Sealift Vessels, BRP Tarlac darating na dito by May in time for the Navy Anniversary (i'm gonna bet kung sino manalo presidente sa hometown nya ipapangalan ng Navy yung 2nd SSV... i.e. BRP Davao City, BRP Makati, BRP Capiz or BRP America... Joke! )

 

3 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Unarmed, for utility, SAR and training purposes)

 

2 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Armed with machine guns and guided rockets to support Philippine Marine and Navy Ops na bakbakan.)

Edited March 29, 2016 by heatseeker0714