skitz Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) So it is NOT the God moral code minus God after all. Then what is it? DEFINE. Establish your premise. Support that premise with logical arguments, etc. Read back and see how I argued for an atheist moral code with the moral code "pragmatism based on the premise that what is good for society is what is true/right". ------------- And oh once again, as far as this thread is concerned, God does not exist. You trying to establish that is an invalid argument. Ano ang use ng something that does not exist (as far this thread is concerned)? Uulitin ko, GIVEN na yun as far as the thread is concerned. Ang tanong e, weno naman ngayon? SO ano na mga atheists? Wala na ang Diyos, so ano ngayon? Ganun na lang? Ano ang tama, ano ang mali, ngayong wala na ang God moral code? Wala ng right and wrong? Tell me you have better answers than that. Edited April 14, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 ... sus, ... at ang sa IYO?... MAY "SILBI" PARA KANINO?... MAY SILBI "PARA LANG KANINO"? While this rant of yours is off-topic, I will answer it anyway (unlike you who can not give straightforward answers). The GOD MORAL CODE is the basis of most of our laws (in the Philippines, specifically). Is it your argument that laws are of no use in this land? ANARCHIST ka ba? Kaya tinatanong kayong mga atheist, kung walang Diyos, walang God moral code, therefore INVALID lahat ng "truths" we currently believe in as far as "right and wrong" is concerned. So ok, assume that that is true. Then what? What do we do now? What do we replace it with? Basta, ayaw niyo sa Diyos, ganun na lang? Yun na ang atheism nyo? Walang silbi? Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 So it is NOT the God moral code minus God after all. Then what is it? DEFINE. Establish your premise. Support that premise with logical arguments, etc. Read back and see how I argued for an atheist moral code with the moral code "pragmatism based on the premise that what is good for society is what is true/right". ------------- And oh once again, as far as this thread is concerned, God does not exist. You trying to establish that is an invalid argument. Ano ang use ng something that does not exist (as far this thread is concerned)? Uulitin ko, GIVEN na yun as far as the thread is concerned. Ang tanong e, weno naman ngayon? SO ano na mga atheists? Wala na ang Diyos, so ano ngayon? Ganun na lang? Ano ang tama, ano ang mali, ngayong wala na ang God moral code? Wala ng right and wrong? Tell me you have better answers than that. ... ISANG GRUPO na kung saan ay "MABUTI ang PUMATAY ng KA-GRUPO", ... at isang GRUPO na kung saan ay "MASAMA ang PUMATAY ng KA-GRUPO",... ALING GRUPO ang MAGTATAGAL? ... ALING GRUPO ang DADAMI? ... ALING GRUPO ang MAGPAPATULOY?... ngayon,... "BAKIT" MASAMA ang PUMATAY ng KAPWA?... "DAHIL" ba sa IYON ang TRIP at UTOS ng DIOS MO? ... o "DAHIL" sa HINDI IYON MAKABUBUTI sa "GRUPO"? ... at kung SINABI "KUNO" ng DIOS MO na "ITO ay TAMA" ... ANO ba ang KATIBAYAN MO na IYON nga ang SINABI ng DIOS MO?... ANO ang KATIYAKAN MO sa kung ANO nga ba ang "TAMA PARA sa DIOS MO"? ... ANO ang BASEHAN MO sa kung ANO nga ba ang "MALI PARA sa DIOS MO"?... SAAN nga ba NAKABATAY ang IPINAGMAMALAKI MONG MORAL CODE?... hindi nga ba't sa TAO? Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 While this rant of yours is off-topic, I will answer it anyway (unlike you who can not give straightforward answers). The GOD MORAL CODE is the basis of most of our laws (in the Philippines, specifically). Is it your argument that laws are of no use in this land? ANARCHIST ka ba? Kaya tinatanong kayong mga atheist, kung walang Diyos, walang God moral code, therefore INVALID lahat ng "truths" we currently believe in as far as "right and wrong" is concerned. So ok, assume that that is true. Then what? What do we do now? What do we replace it with? Basta, ayaw niyo sa Diyos, ganun na lang? Yun na ang atheism nyo? Walang silbi? Now therefore k*ll every male among the little ones, and k*ll every woman that hath known man by lying withhim. (Num 31:17 KJV) But all the women children,that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num31:18 KJV) ... ANO nga uli ang MABUTI? ... at ANO ang MASAMA?... "LAGI" bang TAMA ang TAMA? ... at "LAGI" rin bang MALI ang MALI? Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) So yun naman pala e, masama (according to you) ang turo sa bible. So bakit gusto mo ng God moral code minus God? So ano na ulit ang moral code mo. Yun ang tanong. Yun ang sagutin mo. Alam na nating lahat na ayaw mo kay God. Given na yun. So ano ang kapalit? Bakit hindi mo masagot? And oh yeah one thing pala, about "keeping holy the Sabbath", alam mo ba kung ano lang yun? One day, every seven days, you are to rest. Yun lang yun. It might be hard for you to believe, but it is because of this commandment why laws on most countries (influenced by the God moral code) mandates that labor is given at least one rest day a week. I only asked you the question just to exhibit for everyone to see how would you give this knee-jerk reaction of rejecting anything that has to do with God. Kahit hindi naiintindihan ang dahilan, basta related na kay God, mali na para sa iyo. Ano? Hindi ka naniniwala na dapat merong one rest day a week? Edited April 14, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 So yun naman pala e, masama (according to you) ang turo sa bible. So bakit gusto mo ng God moral code minus God? So ano na ulit ang moral code mo. Yun ang tanong. Yun ang sagutin mo. Alam na nating lahat na ayaw mo kay God. Given na yun. So ano ang kapalit? Bakit hindi mo masagot? ... hindi pa rin MAISIP? ... LIKAS ang MORALIDAD sa TAO,... ang MORAL CODE na SINASABI MONG MULA sa DIOS MO ay "MULA sa TAO", ... UNLESS na KAYA MONG PATUNAYAN na "MAY DIOS nga na NAGBIGAY",... at UNLESS na KAYA MO ring PATUNAYAN na "MAY IBINIGAY ngang MORAL CODE sa TAO", ... at kaya nga kung babasahin nating muli ito,Now therefore k*ll every male among the little ones, and k*ll every woman that hath known man by lying withhim. (Num 31:17 KJV) But all the women children,that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num31:18 KJV)... ay MAKIKITA MO na ang MORAL CODE na IBINIGAY "KUNO" ng DIOS MO, ... ay "WALANG PINAGKAIBA" sa MORALIDAD ng isang TAO na "LIKAS na MAKASARLI" at isang "SOCIAL ANIMAL". And oh yeah one thing pala, about "keeping holy the Sabbath", alam mo ba kung ano lang yun? One day, every seven days, you are to rest. Yun lang yun. It might be hard for you to believe, but it is because of this commandment why laws on most countries (influenced by the God moral code) mandates that labor is given at least one rest day a week. I only asked you the question just to exhibit for everyone to see how would you give this knee-jerk reaction of rejecting anything that has to do with God. Kahit hindi naiintindihan ang dahilan, basta related na kay God, mali na para sa iyo. Ano? Hindi ka naniniwala na dapat merong one rest day a week? ... ang husay, ... SIMPLENG "one rest day a week" lang ba ang SABBATH? ... YUN lang YUN? Sigurado? ... Eh BAKIT "MAY PARUSA" na IPINATAW sa SUMUWAY sa SABBATH kung SIMPLENG "one rest day a week"?... and again,... PARA SAAN ang SABBATH kung "WALANG DIOS"? Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Sabi nga ni Jesus, the sabbath was created for men not men for the sabbath. ------------- Likas ang moralidad sa tao? E bakit merong nagkakasala kung ganun? Walang "likas" ang mga nagkakasala? Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Sabi nga ni Jesus, the sabbath was created for men not men for the sabbath. ... kaso, WALA bang "KAUGNAYAN" ang SABBATH sa DIOS MO? ------------- Likas ang moralidad sa tao? E bakit merong nagkakasala kung ganun? Walang "likas" ang mga nagkakasala? ... sus,... KASI nga "LIKAS na MAKASARILI" ang TAO,... "AT",... isang "SOCIAL ANIMAL".... ang "PANSARILING KAGUSTUHAN" ng ISA ... "VERSUS" ... sa "PANSARILING KAGUSTUHAN" ng IBA / NAKARARAMI / LAHAT. Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Walang ngang Diyos di ba (as far as this is concerned)? Ang kulit, still trying to PROVE what is ASSUMED. Pero matanong ko nga pala (nakalimutan ko sa pagmamadali kanina). Ano sa palagay mo ang "keep holy the sabbath"? Si Jesus ba nagsisimba tuwing sabbath? O yung "do not work" lang talagang ang utos na ito? Bakit nga ba nagalit ang mga Pharisees kay Jesus(and His apostles). Dahil hindi sila pumunta ng templo o dahil namulot ng grain of wheat? ----------- O ayon sa moral code mo na "likas" at "makasarili", TAMA ba o MALI ang polygamy at bakit. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Walang ngang Diyos di ba (as far as this is concerned)? Ang kulit, still trying to PROVE what is ASSUMED. ... kaya nga, ... WALANG DIOS, ... KAYA WALA rin ang SABBATH, ... SINO ba kasi ang NAGPASOK ng "SABBATH" sa USAPAN?... AKO ba? Pero matanong ko nga pala (nakalimutan ko sa pagmamadali kanina). Ano sa palagay mo ang "keep holy the sabbath"? Si Jesus ba nagsisimba tuwing sabbath? O yung "do not work" lang talagang ang utos na ito? Bakit nga ba nagalit ang mga Pharisees kay Jesus(and His apostles). Dahil hindi sila pumunta ng templo o dahil namulot ng grain of wheat? ... "VERSION" ng ISA "LABAN" sa "VERSION" ng IBA,... SINO nga kaya ang TAMA at SINO ang MALI?... o PAREHONG TAMA?... o baka naman PAREHONG MALI? ... ANO ba kasi ang GAGAMITING "SUKATAN o BATAYAN" PARA MALAMAN kung SINO ang TAMA at SINO ang MALI? ... MERON ba? ----------- O ayon sa moral code mo na "likas" at "makasarili", TAMA ba o MALI ang polygamy at bakit. ... TAMA "AT" MALI, ... "DEPENDE". Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Great, a moral code that is "depende". What is right and what is wrong? DEPENDE. <- That is NOT a moral code. That is NON-COMMITTAL. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Great, a moral code that is "depende". What is right and what is wrong? DEPENDE. <- That is NOT a moral code. That is NON-COMMITTAL. ... at ang MORAL CODE na SINASABI MONG MULA sa DIOS MO, ... may PINAGKAIBA ba?... hindi ba't "DEPENDE" rin? ... DEPENDE sa kung "SINO ang GAGAMIT", ... at DEPENDE sa kung "SINO ang PAGGAGAMITAN",... DEPENDE sa kung "SINO ang PAPATAY", ... at DEPENDE sa kung "SINO ang PAPATAYIN". Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 The GOD MORAL CODE DOES NOT EXIST, BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT EXIST (as far this thread is concerned). Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) BTW, let me illustrate what a moral code is for you (so that even you would understand). If you watch Samurai X (yes the cartoon), Kenshin Himura's (Batusai) moral code is "The strong shall protect the weak". His arch nemesis, Shishio's, however, moral code is "Only the strong survive". Kaya merong clash/conflict yung dalawa, kasi different ang moral codes nila. Hindi yung "depende". A moral code is "DEFINITE". Kaya nga MORAL CODE E. Yan ang guide mo to decide whether something right or wrong. The CATHOLIC CHURCH, for example, is VERY DEFINITE with their guidelines (based on their moral code). ABORTION IS WRONG. Hindi "DEPENDE". Definitely "WRONG'. Kung "DEPENDE" rin lang naman, mabuti pang sabihing "WALA" na lang. Edited April 18, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 The GOD MORAL CODE DOES NOT EXIST, BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT EXIST (as far this thread is concerned). ... at ang MORALIDAD na HINIHINGI MO,... ay ang "MORALIDAD na LIKAS nang MAYROON KA". Quote Link to comment
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