fashiznit78 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 ^^ Well, the US constitution (after which the Philippine constitution was patterned) itself "implores the aid of God". So there is BASIS for claiming that that is Godly-inspired, or at least formulated by men who believed in God (and whose morals are influenced by God's moral code). Yes, the atheists NEED to formulate their own moral code if they wish to totally reject the God notion. I am not saying that it should be any different from what theists claim to be God's moral code. What I am saying is, why should atheists follow a code based on NOTHING (since God, according to the atheists, does not exist). Let me help you atheists out. DEMOCRACY is a purely man-made idea (that I think is a good idea). You will not find that in any holy scriptures. God never commanded to have free elections every six years or so. So there, that is one. Sir, the "imploring the aid of Almighty God" part is found only in the preamble, which is not a source of any substantive right. Besides, the framers of the Philippine Constitution were/are theists: Christians and some Muslims but no representation from the non-theists. The US Constitution on the other hand were framed by deists, unitarians, and universalists (probably some Christians)but theists nonetheless and used the word Providence. Now I ask, how you came to conclude that the morals in these Constitutions (however vague they are sometimes) were indeed godly-inspired by mere mention of the word 'God' and 'Providence?' Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Well, considering the alternative, is it "atheist" inspired? Hmmmm... no... Communism, Soviet and China models, are indeed ATHEIST inspired. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Well, considering the alternative, is it "atheist" inspired? Hmmmm... no... Communism, Soviet and China models, are indeed ATHEIST inspired. ... ATHEISM ba ang "PANGUNAHING DAHILAN" sa PAGKAKAROON ng COMMUNISM? Quote Link to comment
fashiznit78 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Well, considering the alternative, is it "atheist" inspired? Hmmmm... no... Communism, Soviet and China models, are indeed ATHEIST inspired.Is this the only alternative? Quote Link to comment
fashiznit78 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 ... ATHEISM ba ang "PANGUNAHING DAHILAN" sa PAGKAKAROON ng COMMUNISM?No. The alleged bourgeoisie abuse of the proletariat is the reason for its formulation. It's more of an economic system than a political one. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 No. The alleged bourgeoisie abuse of the proletariat is the reason for its formulation. It's more of an economic system than a political one. ... eksakto. Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 ... ATHEISM ba ang "PANGUNAHING DAHILAN" sa PAGKAKAROON ng COMMUNISM?Strawman fallacy. Never said that atheism is the cause (or the reason for) communism. Statement is: Communism is an ATHEIST form of government. Right or wrong? The communist philosophy REJECTS the God proposition, while the democratic forms government in fact (most of them anyway) IMPLORES THE AID OF DIVINE INTERVENTION. So again, which form of government is atheist and which one is theist? Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) And oh yeah, 6 or so months and I am still waiting on the ATHEISTS to come up with their own moral code. Come on people, I am a THEIST and had to come up with one for you. Surely for all your "enlightenment" you've done this little mental exercise yourselves. After all, you've done the harder bit of debunking the god proposition (haha). This is the EASY part. Go ahead. Don't be shy. Edited April 1, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
JHP Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) i think VhERR's been saying that our sense of morality is innate. i'm impressed by his example of how mother apes and chimps carry their dead offspring around. LOL The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.[/ Edited April 1, 2011 by JHP Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Strawman fallacy. Never said that atheism is the cause (or the reason for) communism. Statement is: Communism is an ATHEIST form of government. Right or wrong? The communist philosophy REJECTS the God proposition, while the democratic forms government in fact (most of them anyway) IMPLORES THE AID OF DIVINE INTERVENTION. So again, which form of government is atheist and which one is theist? Hindi mo nga sinabi na "... atheism is t he cause (or the reason for) communism..." ...... kasi ang SINABI MO, "... Communism, Soviet and China models, are indeed Atheist INSPIRED..." , ... at ANO ba ang KAHULUGAN ng salitang "INSPIRED"? Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 And oh yeah, 6 or so months and I am still waiting on the ATHEISTS to come up with their own moral code. Come on people, I am a THEIST and had to come up with one for you. Surely for all your "enlightenment" you've done this little mental exercise yourselves. After all, you've done the harder bit of debunking the god proposition (haha). This is the EASY part. Go ahead. Don't be shy. ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may DIOS na NAGBIGAY ng MORAL CODE sa TAO, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may NAGPAPARUSANG DIOS sa GUMAGAWA ng MASAMA, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may NAGGAGANTIMPALANG DIOS sa GUMAGAWA ng MABUTI, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na TOTOO ang DIOS sa MORAL CODE na INAANGKIN NYO na INYO , ... at ang MATITIRA ay ang MORAL CODE na HINIHINGI MO. :lol: Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 i think VhERR's been saying that our sense of morality is innate. i'm impressed by his example of how mother apes and chimps carry their dead offspring around. LOL The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.[/ ... HINDI MO ba ALAM ang "KAUGNAYAN" ng MORALITY sa "... existence of an EXTREMELY POWERFUL BOND between mothers and their offspring which can persist, remarkably, even after the death of the infant ..."? :lol: Quote Link to comment
JHP Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) ... HINDI MO ba ALAM ang "KAUGNAYAN" ng MORALITY sa "... existence of an EXTREMELY POWERFUL BOND between mothers and their offspring which can persist, remarkably, even after the death of the infant ..."? :lol: And it's a whole moral code. Duh. Edited April 3, 2011 by JHP Quote Link to comment
JHP Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may DIOS na NAGBIGAY ng MORAL CODE sa TAO, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may NAGPAPARUSANG DIOS sa GUMAGAWA ng MASAMA, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na may NAGGAGANTIMPALANG DIOS sa GUMAGAWA ng MABUTI, ... TANGGALIN MO ang PANINIWALA na TOTOO ang DIOS sa MORAL CODE na INAANGKIN NYO na INYO , ... at ang MATITIRA ay ang MORAL CODE na HINIHINGI MO. :lol: Yahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a convenient, idiotic, stupid, sleight-of-hand, cop-out of an argument. Classic. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 And it's a whole moral code. Duh. ... at SINO ba ang NAGSASABI at NAG-AAKALA na "IT IS the WHOLE MORAL CODE"? :lol: Quote Link to comment
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