KillTheDEVIL Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Mayron pa nga sumbong kuno, pero ang totoo is para hindi sya masama sa kaso. Kaya yung mga sinumbung nya nakuha ang property pero yung kanya safe - e magkasama naman sila. Hero pa labas nya. Oh my! Paano kaya madala sa 21st Century ang pagiisip nang Pilipino ONe of the requirements for someone to turn into state witness is that "the applicant must be the least guilty among the accused". Quote Link to comment
zenislev Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 ONe of the requirements for someone to turn into state witness is that "the applicant must be the least guilty among the accused". still, most of the least guilty one among the mob received a considerable amount of looted wealth that makes me want to strangle his neck by my bare hands. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 better prosecutors? look, the DOJ secretary and the Ombudsman are both Pnoy appointees. so what utang na loob are you looking for? rowena's best qualification in pag-ibig is basically the best qualification Puno, Torres, alvarez all have...... TRUST AND CONFIDENCE OF THE PRESIDENT. likewise, Renato Corona and Merceditas Gutierrez who were both appointed by GMA...they have the "trust and confidence of " GMA...Ironic that Pnoy protects his appointees...whilst with GMA, her appointees protects her... Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 you said it, the recording is inadmissible in court. in legal parlance, it is called fruit of the poisonous tree. so, in a trial by publicity, guilty nga sya, pero in court, malabong pareho ang hatol. what do you really mean by trial by publicity ?...that GMA is guilty...can this be paralleled with Nixonwho was also tried by the press ?.....and everybody in American knows he was guilty ...and he paid for it.. a legal question to you...may the supreme court decide to do away with the anti-wire tapping law if it feels that there is no justice in the 2004 elections ?...perhaps nixon v. united states might help clear the air ?because the supreme court can 'interpret' the law as they wish...would you think carpio might interpret the law differently from CORONA, a GMA midnight appointee ? as for your supposed "presumption of innocence" for every filipino...why have you already "convicted" whistleblowersas EXTORTIONISTS ?....i can enumerate to you quite a few who are not...why would you stand for presumption of innocencewhen it is with regards to the arroyos and their cohorts....but when it comes to whistleblowers you have lumped them intoextortionists...? tsk...tsk...the lady with the blindfold is peeking and the scale is unbalanced ?...hehehe... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 likewise, Renato Corona and Merceditas Gutierrez who were both appointed by GMA...they have the "trust and confidence of " GMA...Ironic that Pnoy protects his appointees...whilst with GMA, her appointees protects her... glad you know that Pnoy is no different from GMA. what do you really mean by trial by publicity ?...that GMA is guilty...can this be paralleled with Nixonwho was also tried by the press ?.....and everybody in American knows he was guilty ...and he paid for it.. that is the difference between US politics and the philippines. inthe US, a oublic official who becomes part of a scandal, whether it is about corruption or not (like weiner), they have the delicadeza to resign. in the philippines, no such thing. anyway, we are not legally obligated to have delicadeza. a legal question to you...may the supreme court decide to do away with the anti-wire tapping law if it feels that there is no justice in the 2004 elections ?...perhaps nixon v. united states might help clear the air ?because the supreme court can 'interpret' the law as they wish...would you think carpio might interpret the law differently from CORONA, a GMA midnight appointee ? in my opinion, the SC cannot do away with the anti-wire tapping law. they are bound by the laws. as for your supposed "presumption of innocence" for every filipino...why have you already "convicted" whistleblowersas EXTORTIONISTS ?....i can enumerate to you quite a few who are not...why would you stand for presumption of innocencewhen it is with regards to the arroyos and their cohorts....but when it comes to whistleblowers you have lumped them intoextortionists...? tsk...tsk...the lady with the blindfold is peeking and the scale is unbalanced ?...hehehe... i never pointed to anybody, right? i just made a general statement, i even qualified it by saying "MOST".besides, the presumption of innocence is for cases filed in court. it is intended to be availed by persons are subjected to being penalized. i dont think the whistleblowers are in the same position since they are on the part of the prosecution and not the sie of the accused (defense). Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 pls run after those who benefitted from the purchase of 2nd hand choppers. Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 likewise, Renato Corona and Merceditas Gutierrez who were both appointed by GMA...they have the "trust and confidence of " GMA...Ironic that Pnoy protects his appointees...whilst with GMA, her appointees protects her... Let's expect some changes soon Master. I'm sure Pnoy would never stop until reforms in the judiciary are implemented. Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Let's expect some changes soon Master. I'm sure Pnoy would never stop until reforms in the judiciary are implemented. i believe corona's retirement will come after Pnoy's term. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 i believe corona's retirement will come after Pnoy's term. thanks to GMA... Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 that is the difference between US politics and the philippines. inthe US, a oublic official who becomes part of a scandal, whether it is about corruption or not (like weiner), they have the delicadeza to resign. in the philippines, no such thing. anyway, we are not legally obligated to have delicadeza. i do NOT know whether you are feigning knowledge ...but unlike in the arroyo administration when 'kapit tuko' is the order of the day, there have been quite a few resignations in the NEW administration...7 as of the last count... even merceditas tendered hers (after a visit from GMA?) though i doubt if gutierrez has suddenly come to her senses...i think it is more likely that she is tired of lying for gloria...a gracious exit, so to speak... there is hope...delicadeza, which was lost during the arroyo reign, is making a comeback, albeit, slowly... very slowly...please go back in our history and you will learn that there was, actually, such a thing, delicadeza, when filipinos would rather have HONOR than wealth or power...it is difficult to re-learn the traits our nation used to have, but shouldn't we, at least try, instead of joining the bandwagon of cheaters, liars and thieves ? Do you think the Arroyos and their cohorts will take us there ? Or will Pnoy be a better choice ? Quote Link to comment
sandy51 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Let's expect some changes soon Master. I'm sure Pnoy would never stop until reforms in the judiciary are implemented. This is I think one of Pinoy's problem. He is trying to reform the judiciary. Someone in his staff probably forgot to tell him that in the Philippines there are three independent branches of government. Maybe it's that person who forgot to give the phone call. ha ha Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 This is I think one of Pinoy's problem. He is trying to reform the judiciary. Someone in his staff probably forgot to tell him that in the Philippines there are three independent branches of government. Maybe it's that person who forgot to give the phone call. ha ha actually, it is under Pnoy's aegis when the 3 branches of gov't became independent..that was the reform...during GMA's era, the legislative and executive, though, supposedly independent of each other was controlled by the presidentusing bags of money to make the legislators toe the line...for instance, during the GMA impeachment....ask father panlilio... fortunately, the judicial branch remained independent...or else we could have been under martial rule....but only until gma was able to appoint enough of her loyalists to tilt the balance...jopoc must have beenreferring to corona (accepting gma's midnight appointment)when jopoc said something about delicadeza not observed in the phils... but of course, all of my speculations are just that...speculations...but did you ever wonder about that saying..."where there is smoke, there is fire" ?...or maybe this one..."if it walks like a duck...etc..etc.." Quote Link to comment
sandy51 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 actually, it is under Pnoy's aegis when the 3 branches of gov't became independent..that was the reform...during GMA's era, the legislative and executive, though, supposedly independent of each other was controlled by the presidentusing bags of money to make the legislators toe the line...for instance, during the GMA impeachment....ask father panlilio... fortunately, the judicial branch remained independent...or else we could have been under martial rule....but only until gma was able to appoint enough of her loyalists to tilt the balance...jopoc must have beenreferring to corona (accepting gma's midnight appointment)when jopoc said something about delicadeza not observed in the phils... but of course, all of my speculations are just that...speculations...but did you ever wonder about that saying..."where there is smoke, there is fire" ?...or maybe this one..."if it walks like a duck...etc..etc.." Sorry but I don't get it. If as you say, it is under Pinoy's time that he made the three branches truly independent, then why is he trying to reform those who are supposed to be independent of him? If you are independent, would you like the idea of someone trying to reform you? Of course not. You would probably say "mind your own business". So, whoever it is that is trying to reform you would be wasting his time, because you wouldn't care less Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Sorry but I don't get it. If as you say, it is under Pinoy's time that he made the three branches truly independent, then why is he trying to reform those who are supposed to be independent of him? If you are independent, would you like the idea of someone trying to reform you? Of course not. You would probably say "mind your own business". So, whoever it is that is trying to reform you would be wasting his time, because you wouldn't care less this might explain your quandary... "A bully pulpit is a public office or other position of authority of sufficiently high rank that provides the holder with an opportunity to speak out and be listened to on any matter. The bully pulpit can bring issues to the forefront that were not initially in debate, due to the office's stature and publicity. This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit," by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt famously used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful" (a more common expression in his time than it is today)" just as justice corona would speak his mind about the executive, pnoy could also use his bully pulpit ... Pnoy is going by the rules when it comes to the independence of the 3 branches of gov't compared with GMA whoallegedly lied, cheated and stole to try and control all 3 branches... i'm sorry, too...because if you don't get it by reading my political speculations a second time...it is my belief that you might never get politics at all... Quote Link to comment
robbietan Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 fortunately, the judicial branch remained independent...or else we could have been under martial rule....but only until gma was able to appoint enough of her loyalists to tilt the balance...jopoc must have beenreferring to corona (accepting gma's midnight appointment)when jopoc said something about delicadeza not observed in the phils... with dividi and the rest of the sc that "legalized" the 2001 coup, I do not think the sc in gloria's time was independent Quote Link to comment
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