sandy51 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Fuk the lawyers, fuk the law If you want to give the land you own that is due to somebody the give it....you need not to be an emperor for this one ... so obviously whoever owns HL, does not want to give it out. I have several lands myself, I do not want to give a single parcel and I simply say it loud and clear ..... Enough hypocrisy I can't blame the landowners because there is also something wrong with the way land reform is structured. First, is that the aquisition cost is often too low - unless you are one of the chosen people. Then, while the land owner will have his retention, there will still be some parts left behind, like those that were not taken by farmer beneficiaries, and the access roads to the different subdivided parcels of land. What would the former owner do with bits and pieces of land here and there. Adding salt to injury, the government would want the former owner to still pay real estate taxes for these bits and pieces of land otherwise the government would confiscate the land. True, dura lex sed lex, but I don't think the law is supposed to be unjust. Then some beneficiaries would sell their land to developers who would make it into golf courses; and when farmer has already used up all the proceeds of the sale in his stainless steel jeep and his drinking session, it will now be the fault of the developer (many examples of this in Cavite). And the politicians, clergy and cause oriented groups kuno (been there, done that - it's their personal cause) would join in but will never give away part of their land. So, can we blame some land owners? Quote Link to comment
lomex32 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Dear PNoy, Perhaps you may want to listen to Romulo Neri's lecture on Oligarchy in the Philippines. I can't blame the landowners because there is also something wrong with the way land reform is structured. First, is that the aquisition cost is often too low - unless you are one of the chosen people. Then, while the land owner will have his retention, there will still be some parts left behind, like those that were not taken by farmer beneficiaries, and the access roads to the different subdivided parcels of land. What would the former owner do with bits and pieces of land here and there. Adding salt to injury, the government would want the former owner to still pay real estate taxes for these bits and pieces of land otherwise the government would confiscate the land. True, dura lex sed lex, but I don't think the law is supposed to be unjust. Then some beneficiaries would sell their land to developers who would make it into golf courses; and when farmer has already used up all the proceeds of the sale in his stainless steel jeep and his drinking session, it will now be the fault of the developer (many examples of this in Cavite). And the politicians, clergy and cause oriented groups kuno (been there, done that - it's their personal cause) would join in but will never give away part of their land. So, can we blame some land owners? Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Fuk the lawyers, fuk the law If you want to give the land you own that is due to somebody the give it....you need not to be an emperor for this one ... so obviously whoever owns HL, does not want to give it out. I have several lands myself, I do not want to give a single parcel and I simply say it loud and clear ..... Enough hypocrisyI have to agree with you on this...its hypocrisy that you will give your land to people just because the law says its ok but there is the fact that the law also stress that they pay their dues so they should take care of other obligations like having it TCT tax payment and all but those freakin militants wants to have the lands for free with everything included..sheesshhhh Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Fuk the lawyers, fuk the law If you want to give the land you own that is due to somebody the give it....you need not to be an emperor for this one ... so obviously whoever owns HL, does not want to give it out. I have several lands myself, I do not want to give a single parcel and I simply say it loud and clear ..... Enough hypocrisy Same arguments go for the owners of Hacienda Bacan. Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 nakakahiya Pnoy, binuking ka ni Garci. obviously hindi mo sya natakot and/or nabili para bumaliktad kay GMA. pagkatapos mo ba namang onsehin si zaldy at si bedol. Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 nakakahiya Pnoy, binuking ka ni Garci. obviously hindi mo sya natakot and/or nabili para bumaliktad kay GMA. pagkatapos mo ba namang onsehin si zaldy at si bedol. Hindi kaya sina Hermogenes Ebdane at Bong Pineda ang nakabili? Balita ko, nakipag-usap daw si Garci sa dalawang 'yan nung isang linggo sa Subic? PNoy has nothing to lose even with Garci's refusal to sing. It is Ebdane who's bound to lose bigtime if Garci decides to sing. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 dear Noynoy, it would seem like we have forgotten that garci tapes which was broughtout into the open by ignacio bunye's 'i have 2 discs'....(the left and the right)we all know that this resulted in gma saying 'i am sorry'..a 'lapse of judgment' daw...kuno... i think what should happen is for the courts to validate the 'garci' tapes similar to what the US did in watergate (which for those who read history - resultedinto nixon's resignation)...garci and gma, with their voices, will tell their story... gudani and balutan should be heard, too, why ?...because they are a different breedof filipinos...those who would give up everything, even their jobs and pensions,to uphold morality and decency amidst the prevailing culture of thievery impunityand dishonesty during the gma regime...they are credible... quite a few of us still do NOT understand that we have to start thinking differently...we should move away from the 'wangwang culture'....if we are to progress as a nation...and if we have to move on, those who were responsible for the excessesof the previous administration should KNOW that CRIME does NOT pay.... if we let them get away with what they did... similar to what happened to marcos and his cronies,it's almost sure that there will be another group who will do it again... it is not important who the players are...what is important is that those responsible shouldbe made to answer for their misdeeds... have we NOT learned anything from the past ??...are we all too stupid to accept the lessons of history ? Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 dear Noynoy, it makes me wonder why news clippings and reports are posted in a forum like mtc...i thought to join a forum, the presumption is...we are 'informed' - have read the news, know current events and know quite a bit of history... a forum is where discussions and point of views are shared...where arguments and counter arguments are aired... a news report is NOT an argument...we can quote or paraphrase, even provide links, but we should avoid being a reporter here at mtc... please, Pnoy, ban those long and rambling news reports...it is redundant and mildly irritating...as it implies that posters here are not mentally 'well equipped'... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Hindi kaya sina Hermogenes Ebdane at Bong Pineda ang nakabili? Balita ko, nakipag-usap daw si Garci sa dalawang 'yan nung isang linggo sa Subic? PNoy has nothing to lose even with Garci's refusal to sing. It is Ebdane who's bound to lose bigtime if Garci decides to sing. assuming there is truth on this, highest bidder lang yan. pretty sure, nag-offer ang Pnoy camp (either money and/or threats). Pnoy lost the biggest link to GMA in the 2004 election cheatings with garci refusing to sing. the singing cops are small fries. they cannot directly link GMA in the poll fraud (unlike Garci who actually spoke to GMA) dear Noynoy, i think what should happen is for the courts to validate the 'garci' tapes similar to what the US did in watergate (which for those who read history - resultedinto nixon's resignation)...garci and gma, with their voices, will tell their story... this is legally infeasible due to the anti-wiretapping law. Edited August 1, 2011 by jopoc Quote Link to comment
lomex32 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Dear PNoy, How will you empower the poor and make them responsible as well under your administration ? +++Along with authority is responsibility, yes tama ito.Remember, the housing program of which houses the poor and ask the occupants to pay 300 pesos a month. My golly the occupants fail to pay I have to agree with you on this...its hypocrisy that you will give your land to people just because the law says its ok but there is the fact that the law also stress that they pay their dues so they should take care of other obligations like having it TCT tax payment and all but those freakin militants wants to have the lands for free with everything included..sheesshhhh Yes lahat ng lands that are deemed under the Agrarian Reform Law - note, LAW yan. Same arguments go for the owners of Hacienda Bacan. Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 palace to look into garci's properties kung hindi ba naman ito classic form of political harassment, hindi ko alam kung anong dahilan at ginagawa nila ito. its now obvious na walang pinagkaiba ang administration ni Pnoy kay GMA. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 this is legally infeasible due to the anti-wiretapping law. and it will remain illegal subject to the interpretation of a corona led supreme court....similar to what happened to the truth commission which was shot down... we both know that the buck stops at the supreme court...we also know that neri was allowed to remain silent ....because of the supreme court's interpretation of executive privilege... and there was that flip flopping, was it twice or thrice? about chartered cities... ?only in the philippines as you always say... my dream, is that someday, the SC will have less justices with the 'wangwang mentality'...and more of the 'new breed'...lawyers who can interpret law as they should be... imagine, if you will, our supreme court headed by a louis brandeis who believes that the right to privacy is trumped by the right of the public to know...and i quote ... "The right to privacy does not prohibit any publication of matter which is of public or general interest".. maybe this is the reason why watergate caused the resignation of a US president...while the garci tapes did not... i should keep on dreaming.... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 and it will remain illegal subject to the interpretation of a corona led supreme court....similar to what happened to the truth commission which was shot down... we both know that the buck stops at the supreme court...we also know that neri was allowed to remain silent ....because of the supreme court's interpretation of executive privilege... and there was that flip flopping, was it twice or thrice? about chartered cities... ?only in the philippines as you always say... my dream, is that someday, the SC will have less justices with the 'wangwang mentality'...and more of the 'new breed'...lawyers who can interpret law as they should be... imagine, if you will, our supreme court headed by a louis brandeis who believes that the right to privacy is trumped by the right of the public to know...and i quote ... "The right to privacy does not prohibit any publication of matter which is of public or general interest".. maybe this is the reason why watergate caused the resignation of a US president...while the garci tapes did not... i should keep on dreaming.... since the SC made some decides against Pnoy, corona et al are all acused as GMA's puppies..... what about if they decide in his favor? like the merci impeachment? dahil din ba tuta sila ni GMA kaya nila pinayagan ang impeachment ni merci? Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 palace to look into garci's properties kung hindi ba naman ito classic form of political harassment, hindi ko alam kung anong dahilan at ginagawa nila ito. its now obvious na walang pinagkaiba ang administration ni Pnoy kay GMA. Reminds me of Al Capone and Elliot Ness. Wala nga sigurong pinag-iba si PNoy kay Aling Gloria, except, maybe for the subject of their respective harassment and the intended results. Aling Gloria politically harassed Gen. Gudani, Col. Balutan, et. al., to prevent them from telling their truths. PNoy's administration is politically harassing Manong Garci to force him to tell the truth. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 since the SC made some decides against Pnoy, corona et al are all acused as GMA's puppies..... what about if they decide in his favor? like the merci impeachment? dahil din ba tuta sila ni GMA kaya nila pinayagan ang impeachment ni merci? neither... vox populi...vox dei...is more like it... Quote Link to comment
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