Pacquiao-Mayweather: “It’s going to happen”

[Edmund Dantes]

 

The most interesting part for me about this fight, is exactly what you guys were saying.... It's a Hero vs. Villain fight, just because Floyd likes to act like the bad guy, and we all know that our country loves this stuff.

 

If Manny (the Hero) wins! All is good!

But if Floyd (the Villain) loses.... Paano na yun?

Wake up call?

That the Hero does not always win?

So sad, but it's a BIG possibility!

 

Pinoy Floyd Fans will probably also admit, if Manny Loses, they will also probably feel bad for Manny.

 

Now as for this issue.

 

If Manny wins, eh di cinderella story ito. Ang lalabas, most people counted him out dahil natalo ni Marquez but he got back up and defeated a bigger opposition in Mayweather. Parang yung panalo ni Ali kay Foreman, lahat akala laos na si Ali. Natalo pa ni Frazier kasi. Tapos si Foreman naman tinalo si Frazier. So when Ali KOed him, it was a romantic victory.

 

Pero tama ka, reality is, the better competitor will always win even if he is the bad guy. If you remember Hopkins stomped on the Puerto Rican flag during a press tour and a lot of Puerto Ricans wanted Trinidad to KOTFO Hopkins. But Hopkins outclassed Trinidad and KOed him becoming undisputed middleweight Champ. It is what it is.

 

I did feel bad for Manny when Marquez turned his lights out. But that KO was good for the sport. Why? Because justice was served in that fight. Come on! Pacquiao was being booed after the third fight. Besides, panalo sya dapat dun sa pangalawa. Marquez focused for 6 months and delivered what he promised.

 

I do not understand why Marquez got so much hate from Pinoys lalo na from Chino Trinidad na para lang namang tanga kung mag comentate sa boxing. Kesyo nangapak daw ng paa, na ginawa rin naman ni Manny, o kaya nakasteroids naman. Marquez was a gentleman before and after the fight naman kung tutuusin.

[Edmund Dantes]

Check this out! Pure defensive wizardry. Hirap talaga tamaan. Ang galing ng stance at reflexes. I know ang strategy ng team Pacquiao is to make Manny cut the ring. But I don't think this is gonna be enough. Any of you guys who think that Floyd can't handle volume punchers should check this out

 

[Edmund Dantes]

Can't wait for the 24/7 or all access episodes. Matinding drama ito sigurado. I wonder what antics Floyd Mayweather will cook up to be a better villain. Its a role he does so well. Huwag lang sana maging sobrang OA kagaya yung ginawa nya kay Ortiz na talagang focus nya lang ay mainis sa kanya lalo ang tao para panoorin laban. Sabagay di naman kasi sikat si Ortiz.

 

But more than the drama between the two fighters, may drama din sigurado among the cornermen. Floyd Mayweather Sr. is back as his sons headcoach. Wala si uncle Roger. Floyd Sr. is really a pompous assh*le. He is the typical stage-daddy. He was a failure as a figher and now he is trying to make his own dreams be realized through his son. That would not have been a problem had he not stolen too much camera attention from his fighters the way he did with Ricky Hatton and Oscar Dela Hoya. I wonder why Floyd chose him, when Roger is the better trainer.

 

Floyd Sr. has a score to settle with Freddie. Freddie embarrassed him when Hatton got KOed badly. So much he had to walk out of Ricky's Corner. Plus Alex Ariza is now in Floyd's corner. Both of them hold a grudge against Freddie

[Larry]

 

 

First of all, boxing is a hit and don't get hit game. Its not supposed to be that bullsh!t Rocky Balboa Vs Ivan Drago. Floyd is a master of this, so in a sense he is right that he does not want to take punishment. Second in as much as Manny can hurt Floyd, Floyd can hurt him even more. He is bigger than him, he has better reach advantage, better reflexes, and the perfect style to nuetralize Manny's forward onslaught. From the point of view of skill vs skill, I dont see why he'd duck Manny.

 

 

Mayweather was scared then because Manny was destroying guys that Mayweather had a tough time putting away or was refusing to fight, Hatton, ODLH, Mosley. Mosley even hurt Mayweather with one punch in the 2nd round. Manny destroyed him. Mayweather wouldn't touch Cotto or Margarito at the time, until Manny destroyed both. He was a legitimate threat to PBFs legacy.

 

 

 

Zab lost that fight because Mayweather effectively frustrated him and adjusted to his game. Counterpunchers and precision fighters are always known to be slow starters, they like to adjust and frustrate opponents. Ito ang mga nakakaasar sa totoo lang sa sparring. Yung tipo bang hindi mo na nga matamaan nasisingitan ka pa ng suntok lagi. Many opponents fell into this trap, Judah, Hatton, Maidana, and Ortiz. They all started to get frustrated and started being reckless and paid for it dearly.

 

No.

 

Zab lost that fight because he ran out of gas. He was winning handily in the early rounds and ran out of gas by the later rounds.

 

Maidana lost because Mayweather resorted to clinching and not fighting. Watch that fight again. It was a terrible display and part of the reason why boxing is dying.

 

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Before manny got his lights turned off by Marquez, many were criticizing that while it was impressive to see him fight bigger guys, he were fighting guys who had styles perfect for his. Come forward, bully the smaller guy and be slower. When he fought Marquez for the third time he got exposed really badly. That all along it was an issue of style and skill not size.

Again incorrect. Bradley is a poor man's Mayweather. Very evasive and defense oriented, and we all know who really won that first Pacquiao/Bradley fight.

But yes styles make fights and Marquez knows Manny by heart. Fight a guy enough times, you'll memorize his moves in your sleep.

 

Besides we all wanna believe Floyd is a coward because he acts like a douche all the time, when in fact its all just for show.

oh he really is a douchebag and its not just to sell fights he really is like that. None of the all time greats referred to themselves as The Greatest Ever, not even the true Greatest of All Time Sugar Ray Robinson. None of the greats got pissed at reporters for asking them pointed questions, and none of them challenged a septugenarian Larry Merchant to a fight because of a Manny Pacquiao comment.

great boxer? Sure PBF is probably one of the greatest technical boxers of all time. Class A human being? not by a longshot.

[Larry]

I believe it will be good for boxing if Manny wins. A lot of people will be interested in the sport. Win or lose, Mayweather will still be making a lot of Money with the sport, because many people just wanna see the living sh!t get kicked out of him. Its hard to appreciate Mayweather's fighting style by casual fight fans who really have no reason to follow the sport.

 

 

Nah, this is a one time thing. It won't be enough to bring boxing back. This is the only fight big enough to bring casual fans to the sport.

 

After this, there's nothing. Both guys are nearing the end of their careers, if PBF wins I think he only fights 3 more times to get to fifty and beat Rocky Marciano's unbeaten streak. Manny retires after this, that much is clear.

 

The best active fighters right now can't bring in the casual fans. The heavyweight champion, who has been undefeated in 12 years, can't bring the numbers. The deadliest and most exciting fighter in the sport today, GGG, also can't bring in the numbers (plus no one wants to fight him). No one's left after Mayweather and Pacquiao.

 

Boxing has ruined boxing. Gone are the days when the best fighters faced each other multiple times. Ali fought Frazier, and Foreman. Duran, Leonard, and Hagler fought each other multiple times.

 

we have none of that now.

[Larry]

 

 

That might be a good marketing decision for FMJ, but it makes it harder to consider him an all-time great. Nonetheless, in the next few years, FMJ will be judged if he can be written into boxing history's greatness. FMJ fans need not worry, coz in casting an ATG to stone, his personal demeanor and character are not given much weight- just his 'greatness' exploits. We'll see...

 

 

 

this is true

 

when people think of Ali now, he's this mythical being that could do no wrong. but people forget what a terrible sh1t talker Ali was back in the day, and how much of a douchebag he really was too.

 

Ali would say anything to promote a fight and psych his opponents out. He'd even go as low as using racial taunts, calling foreman a gorilla, and referring to Joe Frazier as an Uncle Tom (which Frazier hasn't forgotten until the day he died).

[mrkupal]

may nabasa ako na binayaran daw ng camp ni Floyd ang mga sparring partners ni Manny para di pumunta sa gym ni Roach. ang daya naman!

[Edmund Dantes]

Mayweather was scared then because Manny was destroying guys that Mayweather had a tough time putting away or was refusing to fight, Hatton, ODLH, Mosley. Mosley even hurt Mayweather with one punch in the 2nd round. Manny destroyed him. Mayweather wouldn't touch Cotto or Margarito at the time, until Manny destroyed both. He was a legitimate threat to PBFs legacy.

 

 

Come on! The main reason why Manny destroyed all of them was because they had style perfect for his. This has always been a fair criticism about Manny. That as good as his opponents were, they all had no other strategy really but to come forward and bully the smaller man. Of course Pacquiao will get the upperhand because that is the way he fights. I mean to take nothing from Pacquiao but I think this is a fair criticism. Dela Hoya to begin with was not even healthy at all when he jumped in that ring. I mean look at him, he looked like he just got out of the hospital bed. Any welterweight contender who jumped in that ring with oscar would have kicked his ass, Manny only made it look good. His victory with Hatton of course was impressive, but then again Manny fights toe to toe, naturally he will get the upperhand. Mayweather likes to play the psych game, he likes to frustrate the opposition and pick them apart in the later rounds. Just like a matador would to a bull. Margarito? Oh come on! Margarito was not even an elite to begin with. His most significant victory was a fraud. Besides, if he was any slower he could have sprouted some roots on that canvass. Marquez on the third fight exposed what Pacquiao was about. Yes Freddie made him effective at what he does, but still he is the same fighter who can't handle precission boxers. I thought Bradley could have won the second fight had he not decided to brawl with manny.

 

The point I wanna make with all these is that Mayweather being the intelligent fighter that he is did not have any reason to be scared of Pacquiao skillwise. And besides, when it comes to styles its Mayweather who has fought all kinds of style there is. Swarmers, brawlers, counterpunchers, volume punchers etc. From the start we already saw Manny had problems with precision fighters. You think Mayweather did not notice this the way Marquez would?

 

No.

 

Zab lost that fight because he ran out of gas. He was winning handily in the early rounds and ran out of gas by the later rounds.

 

Maidana lost because Mayweather resorted to clinching and not fighting. Watch that fight again. It was a terrible display and part of the reason why boxing is dying.

 

 

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More than Zab gassing out, he was getting frustrated because in the middle of the fight Floyd started to pick him apart and frustrate him. He got so reckless, he began throwing fouls which caused the melee and made roger jump over the ring. And granting that he did Gas out, that just shows that Mayweather came into that fight with better athleticism. Floyd is a master of frustrating his opponents.

 

Yes I know the way he fights maybe boring to casual fans its not Gatti VS Ward or that bullshit we saw in Rocky IV. But you gotta do what you can to win the fight right? Thats his style. At least he wasn't the one fouling so many times and making the fight dirty.

Again incorrect. Bradley is a poor man's Mayweather. Very evasive and defense oriented, and we all know who really won that first Pacquiao/Bradley fight.

But yes styles make fights and Marquez knows Manny by heart. Fight a guy enough times, you'll memorize his moves in your sleep.

 

 

But bradley is no counterpuncher. He is a boxer/brawler. He would have won the second fight with pacquiao had he decided not to brawl with him where Manny will get the upperhand. Still full credit to pacquiao in both fights.

Marquez deserves full credit for that win. Actually, in the entire series, I only have Manny winning the first fight out of the error made in the scorecareds. Marquez should have been awarded the decision in the second and third fight. Especially in the second where he clearly won more rounds than Pacquiao. The KD happened in only one round. Besides it works both ways, if Marquez was able to memorize Mannys move because he fought him so many times, so should have Manny. I mean he is younger than Marquez so he should have made the necessary adjustments in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fight.

Manny being KOed in the 4th fight I thought was something good for the sport. Its how you settle an injustice. Besides, Marquez really prepared for that fight. He promised hed turn Manny's lights out and boy did he? II dont even know if Manny took this fight seriously. Maybe his conditioning was spot on, be he did not take into account that Marquez at the time was pissed as a motherfcker for getting robbed for the 3rd time and was so determined to put him to sleep he reportedly trained almost 6 months.

 

 

 

oh he really is a douchebag and its not just to sell fights he really is like that. None of the all time greats referred to themselves as The Greatest Ever, not even the true Greatest of All Time Sugar Ray Robinson. None of the greats got pissed at reporters for asking them pointed questions, and none of them challenged a septugenarian Larry Merchant to a fight because of a Manny Pacquiao comment.

great boxer? Sure PBF is probably one of the greatest technical boxers of all time. Class A human being? not by a longshot.

 

 

 

Ali quarelled with his critics a lot and he was credited for the famous quote "while I am up here fighting you are down there shouting!". Ali was sometimes the hero and the villan depending on who he was fighting. People hated him so much theyd boo him when he entered the ring. I don't see that happening with Floyd. As for SRR? Man Floyd is actually a choirboy compared to SRR. Outside the ring SRR was a pompous narcissitic primadonna who would nail his wife with combinations. He breached fight contracts all the time. He'd sign the contract, then demand for more pay, sometimes the only way you can be sure that the fight would indeed happen is when you actually see him jump on that ring.

 

Manny is not the class triple A human being the media portrays him to be. He has his own brand of arrogance. Besides, doesnt this guy cheat on his wife all the time? He is a mere poster boy. But who cares right? We do not know these people in person, and at the end of the day its skills that determine the outcome of the fight.

 

To me, its enough that Floyd has that gracious winner attitude and so as long as he is not fouled, he tries to fight clean.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Edmund Dantes

[Edmund Dantes]

 

Nah, this is a one time thing. It won't be enough to bring boxing back. This is the only fight big enough to bring casual fans to the sport.

 

After this, there's nothing. Both guys are nearing the end of their careers, if PBF wins I think he only fights 3 more times to get to fifty and beat Rocky Marciano's unbeaten streak. Manny retires after this, that much is clear.

 

The best active fighters right now can't bring in the casual fans. The heavyweight champion, who has been undefeated in 12 years, can't bring the numbers. The deadliest and most exciting fighter in the sport today, GGG, also can't bring in the numbers (plus no one wants to fight him). No one's left after Mayweather and Pacquiao.

 

Boxing has ruined boxing. Gone are the days when the best fighters faced each other multiple times. Ali fought Frazier, and Foreman. Duran, Leonard, and Hagler fought each other multiple times.

 

we have none of that now.

 

Or..... maybe we are just too focused right now on Pacquiao Mayweather

[shadow555]

Wait! Again did I miss a big news again? Manny will surely retire after this fight?

Don't know how to react to this, though just a bit surprised... wait actually I think it's better for him to Retire na nga!

 

The last Fight with Marquez, I myself give full Credit to Marquez, it was a well won fight, he obviously prepared for the fight, and as I said KOs are the surest way to win a fight, no score cards, decisions, etc.

We have to admit it, bulagta talaga si Manny, he even convulsed a bit, which was scary!

 

I saw the youtube compilation about Floyd posted by Edmund, grabe talaga yung lokong yun sa bilis nang ilag at counterpunch. He looks like a rattlesnake when he strikes, he knows when he can start countering. This is 1000% what Manny has to watch out for, because he really knows how to start hitting back, after his opponent stop to recover after a combination. I also saw that hitting his deltoids as I suggested won't work, if you punch him on the shoulder, he'd counter punch you in the face.

 

So paano?

Manny will probably do what he does, if he decides to counter punch with Floyd, we'd be watching a dancing competition not boxing (and we know Manny won't do this, he'd be scared people will start booing).

 

Wala as a non expert, I'd say, he should do what he does, but make sure he can defend himself from strong counters, and keep going, so he should not lose steam. Of course you use up a lot more energy doing 3 to 4 combinations, compared to just dodging those combinations, so he should really be on top of his game physically.

 

Edmund, noted about your points, as I said I understand what you are saying, but even though you say you don't want yourself to be called "Pinoy" there are lots of "Pinoys" who are not like the "Pinoytards" that you describe, maybe "Pactards" na nga lang siguro, (retarded Pacquiao fans)? Para at least smaller Generalization

 

Kakatawa nga, forget about personalities, who is Hero or Villain, just look at their fighting styles and their fight history, nakaka excite talaga!

[MustangEco]

any takers....am for mayweather for 8,000,000.00 cash! for sure transaction i will issue managers check plus my hummer if mayweather loses. but if he wins then just pay me 2,000,000.00

[iristiu_38]

this is an interesting fight which could go either way... if mayweather would be able to maximize his reach advantage just like when he fought against marquez then he would have win this fight specially if manny keeps on coming to him and it would expose manny's vulnerability same with the pacman-marquez4..yan ang dapat ingatan ni manny yung bara-bara style nya na volume punches sometimes it leaves an opening just a perfect set up for money-may ..pero on the other hand it could work for pacman's advantage kasi yung volume punches ni pacman sometimes walang magawa si floyd which was also exposed in the mayweather-marquez fight nung time na nasa ropes si mayweather di na nya alam kung pano gagawin pag napasukan sya ni marquez the problem with marquez is that hindi sya kasing dami at lakas sumuntok ni manny .. so this is really an exciting fight ... calculations vs volume punches ... perfect for gambling a match made in heaven .. thats what makes it exciting both fighters can win or lose its just a good fight

[Edmund Dantes]

Wait! Again did I miss a big news again? Manny will surely retire after this fight?

Don't know how to react to this, though just a bit surprised... wait actually I think it's better for him to Retire na nga!

 

The last Fight with Marquez, I myself give full Credit to Marquez, it was a well won fight, he obviously prepared for the fight, and as I said KOs are the surest way to win a fight, no score cards, decisions, etc.

We have to admit it, bulagta talaga si Manny, he even convulsed a bit, which was scary!

 

I saw the youtube compilation about Floyd posted by Edmund, grabe talaga yung lokong yun sa bilis nang ilag at counterpunch. He looks like a rattlesnake when he strikes, he knows when he can start countering. This is 1000% what Manny has to watch out for, because he really knows how to start hitting back, after his opponent stop to recover after a combination. I also saw that hitting his deltoids as I suggested won't work, if you punch him on the shoulder, he'd counter punch you in the face.

 

So paano?

Manny will probably do what he does, if he decides to counter punch with Floyd, we'd be watching a dancing competition not boxing (and we know Manny won't do this, he'd be scared people will start booing).

 

Wala as a non expert, I'd say, he should do what he does, but make sure he can defend himself from strong counters, and keep going, so he should not lose steam. Of course you use up a lot more energy doing 3 to 4 combinations, compared to just dodging those combinations, so he should really be on top of his game physically.

 

Edmund, noted about your points, as I said I understand what you are saying, but even though you say you don't want yourself to be called "Pinoy" there are lots of "Pinoys" who are not like the "Pinoytards" that you describe, maybe "Pactards" na nga lang siguro, (retarded Pacquiao fans)? Para at least smaller Generalization

 

Kakatawa nga, forget about personalities, who is Hero or Villain, just look at their fighting styles and their fight history, nakaka excite talaga!

 

Coming from a fellow non-expert.

 

RJJ would have neutralized Floyds elusive style. Like Floyd, he had catlike reflexes.. perhaps the best in the history of the sport. He was so accurate and quick, he never needed to jab to establish his powershots. It will find the target like his fists were laser guided heat-seaking rockets. Floyd can shoulder roll and duck all he wants, but he will catch him. RJJs main defense is his reflexes too, he don't need to cover up of slip the punches, he can dodge them quickly. With his long reach Floyd will have problems trying to counter him....

 

Now I know what smartasses will say, but RJJ was a light heavyweight. I know! but in terms of fighting style and anatomy, this would have been perfect for Floyd's defensive style. Unfortunately, Manny does not fight this way. First of all, he is a short guy and his reach isn't that long. He comes in, flurry, then turns. He leaves himself open for a counter and when he has to back up, he can't fight anymore. Its not athleticism that will make Pacquiao stand a chance. Rather its intelligent strategy and fighting.

 

Yes I understand not all Filipinos are "pinoytards". Ang mga tinutukoy ko naman yung mga walang pinagaralang masa na madali mauto ng kapamilya at kapuso sa proud to be pinoy na kalokohan na yan. Marami namang pilipino ang edukado at hindi bobo para itaya buong bansa nila sa laro ng boxing. Pero itong mga tinutukoy ko, kakapal ng mukha. Sila malakas sumigaw ng proud to be pinoy, at patriotic daw kuno, mga hindi naman nagbabayad ng buwis. I hope we have a way of shutting them up kasi nakakahiyang mageneralize na puros ganun ang Pilipino.

 

Yes polar opposites sina Floyd at Manny in terms of fighting style and personalities. Manny is the humble warrior who fights for the honor of his country kuno. Floyd is the flambouyant and arrogant douchebag who fights for money and does not even care if the fans love him or not. Manny is the best offensive fighter in the game right now. Floyd is the best defensive fighter in this generation... maybe of all time even.

 

Like it or not, personalities really sell the sports. Ali, Frazier, Liston, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Tyson, RJJ, Hopkins, they are all personalities who made the sport popular not just beacuse of their skill but on the colorful characters they portrayed. Klistchko as good as a fighter he is could not revive the heavyweight division. The thing is, the bros have very intersting personalities, pero wala na yung magagaling na kontrabida sa division. Sure Shannon Briggs keeps trolling him, but that guy has no talent.

[JulianRoses]

If both boxers push their limits in this fight then I'll be satisfied

[Edmund Dantes]

Eto wishful thinking ko.

 

Sana after the fight, kahit sino pa manalo, sana Mayweather will be coming to the Philippines to do a commercial with Manny Pacquiao. Sobrang regalo yun sa Filipino fans. And why not? Morales and Pacquiao were bitter rivals but after the trilogy, Morales won the hearts of Filipino fans. Marquez naman kahit papano may fans pa din dito. Sana talaga gumawa silang dalawa ng San Mig commerical o kahit ano, basta kaya talent fee ni Mayweather.

 

Ako I believe if Mayweather beats Pacquiao, hindi nya naman masyado tatapakan pride nya. In fact, him being a consistent gracious winner will even praise him and the Filipino fans supporting him. Tsaka kahit naman sa mga bitter rivalries sa boxing madami naging magkaibigan pagkatapos. Ali and Foreman, Leonard tsaka si Duran. and of course Tyson and Holyfield who did a lot of things together after the fight.

 

Sakin, sino man manalo, both men deserve credit for what they did to the sport. Let us not hate so much on Floyd just because he always likes to be the bad guy. Kung tutuusin, tama naman sya, he is a very dedicated athlete. Wala naman syang ibang bisyo talaga other than sports betting