hobby Practical Shooting

[miggyE]

Salamat sir miggy and sir ray for the info's. May I ask lang kung ung versatility ba ng HS kasingganda rin ba ng glock or much better sa glock? Thanks

 

@ sir Ironman007, you ask a very tricky question. I know ray would answer the Glock, although i think we would both much prefer 1911s. i have nothing against glock per se, as its a reliable gun. just that i would like to have another safety feature, like a manual safety or a grip safety. so i would usually go for the HS

 

so, as to your question, i think performance of the HS/XDm and the Glock are comparable from my limited experience with both guns, as well as the chats i have had with those who have shot both guns more times than i. as an alternative, you could do no wrong with an HS, but i was advised also before to get the XDm version, as the coating is much more resistant to tropical weather.

[ray004]

@ sir Ironman007, you ask a very tricky question. I know ray would answer the Glock, although i think we would both much prefer 1911s. i have nothing against glock per se, as its a reliable gun. just that i would like to have another safety feature, like a manual safety or a grip safety. so i would usually go for the HS

 

 

actually bro miggy i am more of a revo guy..but this is the one i carry

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/lemuelntalosig/My%20Gun/hardchrome.jpg

Edited July 31, 2010 by ray004

[miggyE]

Hello sa mga gun experts here...

 

baguhan lang ako sa larangan ng pagpapaputok

 

three times pa lang ako nakahawak at nakapagpaputok and that was during nasa legaspi ako na tinuturuan ng friend ko na pulis

 

ang service firearm pa niya ay Armscor .45

 

medyo natuwa pa nga ako at tuluyan na yatang nagkaroon ng hilig na matuto sa pamamaril dahil noong 3 beses akong nagpaputok ay puro "alpha" daw ang mga tinamaan

 

so ito ang mga tanong ko:

 

1) for a beginner, ano ba ang dapat mauna - magkaroon muna ng knowledge sa tamang pag handle ng baril or bumili muna ng baril?

 

2) what is recommended as the first gun? yung puwedeng pag praktisan... a .45 pistol or a 9mm pistol?

 

3) i have been reading lots of good news about S&W version of the 1911...mas mura ba ito sa Colt or parehas lang ang price or masyado lang akong nagpapadala sa hype?

 

4) ano ang preferred gun ng mga left handed shooters?

 

5) for a budget of 50K, ano ang brand and klase ng gun ang puwedeng mabili?

 

thanks for the helpful information and guidance

 

 

hmmm, a lot of questions. will try to answer them the best i can......

 

first, get some time to learn gun safety and ownership as well as using a gun. remember na ang mga pulis natin, 8 out of 10 do not know how to actually use their guns properly. so, go to a reputable range and find out if they have lectures on gun ownership. attend them. actually, kailangan ka talaga mag-attend ng course na ito before you could buy a firearm (nasa batas ito). most gunstores also have these lectures as requirement before they would sell you a gun. again, learn how to use the gun properly first.

 

for a first gun, i would prefer using a 9mm. not as heavy as a 45 and easier on your hands.

 

hmmmmm, S&W or Colt? the Colt is actually cheaper. and, yes, in the 1911, S&W is very much hyped lang. personally, with the money you spend on these guns (80k sa Colt, 90+ - 100+ sa S&W), it would be cheaper to get a Practical series ng Armscor and practice with that muna. as you get more proficient, you can modify it with better components until you have something you like costing less than the Colt or S&W.

 

guns for left-handed shooters? nowadays, many guns available are ambidextrous, so both left and right handers could use them. also, for 45s, there are slim and high capacity models. slim 45s have 7-8 shots, while hi-caps have 12-15 rounds.

 

hmmmm, guns for a budget of 50k. i would recommend Armscor's practical series and their APP series. many pinoys overlook Armscor because of colonial mentality, but big time ang Armscor abroad! their booth at the gunshows in Las Vegas and Orlando was just as big as S&W's! also, their factory here produces for STI and Tanfoglio. another good gun yung Tanfoglio. i use a tanfoglio as a carry and my wife has one also. very dependable guns. another good brand yung Bersa. Norinco is also something you should look at. Stay away from Taurus pistols, dahil hindi sila very dependable. you could also try firestorm, or shooters

 

Armscor, tanfoglio, bersa, and norinco sell for about 25-30. use the rest of the money to get good practice:)

[miggyE]

actually bro miggy i am more of a revo guy..but this is the one i carry

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/lemuelntalosig/My%20Gun/hardchrome.jpg

 

 

LOL! revo or not, that still a 1911

[ray004]

i like the revo's machismo..though for practical reasons, i would prefer carrying a 1911. easy to conceal and easy to reload when the need arises.

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hmmm, a lot of questions. will try to answer them the best i can......

 

first, get some time to learn gun safety and ownership as well as using a gun. remember na ang mga pulis natin, 8 out of 10 do not know how to actually use their guns properly. so, go to a reputable range and find out if they have lectures on gun ownership. attend them. actually, kailangan ka talaga mag-attend ng course na ito before you could buy a firearm (nasa batas ito). most gunstores also have these lectures as requirement before they would sell you a gun. again, learn how to use the gun properly first.

 

for a first gun, i would prefer using a 9mm. not as heavy as a 45 and easier on your hands.

 

hmmmmm, S&W or Colt? the Colt is actually cheaper. and, yes, in the 1911, S&W is very much hyped lang. personally, with the money you spend on these guns (80k sa Colt, 90+ - 100+ sa S&W), it would be cheaper to get a Practical series ng Armscor and practice with that muna. as you get more proficient, you can modify it with better components until you have something you like costing less than the Colt or S&W.

 

guns for left-handed shooters? nowadays, many guns available are ambidextrous, so both left and right handers could use them. also, for 45s, there are slim and high capacity models. slim 45s have 7-8 shots, while hi-caps have 12-15 rounds.

 

hmmmm, guns for a budget of 50k. i would recommend Armscor's practical series and their APP series. many pinoys overlook Armscor because of colonial mentality, but big time ang Armscor abroad! their booth at the gunshows in Las Vegas and Orlando was just as big as S&W's! also, their factory here produces for STI and Tanfoglio. another good gun yung Tanfoglio. i use a tanfoglio as a carry and my wife has one also. very dependable guns. another good brand yung Bersa. Norinco is also something you should look at. Stay away from Taurus pistols, dahil hindi sila very dependable. you could also try firestorm, or shooters

 

Armscor, tanfoglio, bersa, and norinco sell for about 25-30. use the rest of the money to get good practice:)

 

WoW! salamat ng maramo sa helpful and very informative reply, Sir MiggyE

i will definitely follow them

pero sa dinami dami ng gun stores dito sa pinas, alin ang pinaka OK when it comes to customer service? yung napuntahan ko kasi like Hahn in megamall parang mayabang sumagot e nakakahiya na tuloy magtanong at yung dun naman sa shoppesville parang sa gesture pa lang gusto na ko palayasin nung malaman na inquire pa lang ako or ganoon ba talaga yung mga tao sa gun shops? yung sa twin pines ok naman kausap...

and anung gun club ang most recommended na salihan? sa may tondo area ako e so sana yung malapit lang din

thanks ulit

[Ironman007]

Thanks sa mga info's bossing. It certainly helped me a lot in analyzing the choosing the right pistol.. Sir ray, may i ask magkano ung budget ng ganyang kagandang 1911?

[ray004]

Thanks sa mga info's bossing. It certainly helped me a lot in analyzing the choosing the right pistol.. Sir ray, may i ask magkano ung budget ng ganyang kagandang 1911?

 

i bought the gun during gunshow at megamall. i just could not remember but the unit cost me not more than 17K at that time. i had the internal parts fined tuned by 2 different gunsmiths. the hard chrome finish was done by again 2 different gunsmiths. i guess i spent more or less 20K in modifications. pero di biglaan yon. if budget permits, saka lang ako nagpapa-modify. fine tuning ng internals parts ang inuna ko because it is very important that your gun functions well.

 

in terms of gunstores, i bought all of my 5 guns at Aquila Firearms. no hassle or whatsoever everytime i transact with them. their staffs are courteous and efficient.. also i'd like to note Federal Gun Exchange. cheaper ang rates ng mga units nila compared with the AFAD gunstores. courteous din and accomodating ang mga staffs nila

[Ironman007]

Gud pm sir ray, may i ask kung saan ung mga branches ng AFAD pati ung Federal Gun Exchage? May mga unit kaya sila tulad ng HS dun sir? Tnx ulit sir

[ray004]

^ bro ang AFAD eh association ng gunstores dito sa pilipinas. meron silang common pricing ng unit..ang FGE hindi member ng AFAD kaya mas mababa ang presyo ng mga units nila.

 

http://www.fedguns.ph/

 

http://www.aquilafaa.com/

Edited August 2, 2010 by ray004

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Mga Sirs,

 

Ano ang mas maganda quality Armscor or Norinco?

 

While it's true na karamihan sa mga Pinoys (kasama na siguro ako dun), ayaw ng locally made

 

mas marami naman siguro ang ayaw ng China made (siguro dahil dun sa mga produktong mabibili sa 168...

 

so pagdating sa pistols, ano ba ang mas may kalidad sa dalawa?

 

napapa-iling tuloy ako sa pagpili dito...parang sayang ang budget e...kahit na nagsisimula pa lang, parang nakakapanghinayang naman

 

mas bilib talaga ako sa H&K at sa iba pang German made fire arms, yun lang parang ginto ang presyo

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Mga Sirs,

 

Ano ang mas maganda quality Armscor or Norinco?

 

While it's true na karamihan sa mga Pinoys (kasama na siguro ako dun), ayaw ng locally made

 

mas marami naman siguro ang ayaw ng China made (siguro dahil dun sa mga produktong mabibili sa 168...

 

so pagdating sa pistols, ano ba ang mas may kalidad sa dalawa?

 

napapa-iling tuloy ako sa pagpili dito...parang sayang ang budget e...kahit na nagsisimula pa lang, parang nakakapanghinayang naman

 

mas bilib talaga ako sa H&K at sa iba pang German made fire arms, yun lang parang ginto ang presyo

 

 

saan pala pwede maka attend ng gun safety seminar?

[ray004]

ang bentahe kasi ng Norinco ay ang quality ng bakal nito. while ang Armscor naman ginagamit na din ng veteran shooters natin sa World Shoot Championship.. to each his own 'ika nga.

 

i am carrying a 1911 commander norinco. fine tuned by a very reputable gunsmith. confident ako dito sa baril ko na araw araw kong dinadala (nung may PTC pa ako).

 

ang Armscor nago-offer ng gun saftey seminar.

[miggyE]

i like the revo's machismo..though for practical reasons, i would prefer carrying a 1911. easy to conceal and easy to reload when the need arises.

 

 

have to agree with you there.....

[miggyE]

WoW! salamat ng maramo sa helpful and very informative reply, Sir MiggyE

i will definitely follow them

pero sa dinami dami ng gun stores dito sa pinas, alin ang pinaka OK when it comes to customer service? yung napuntahan ko kasi like Hahn in megamall parang mayabang sumagot e nakakahiya na tuloy magtanong at yung dun naman sa shoppesville parang sa gesture pa lang gusto na ko palayasin nung malaman na inquire pa lang ako or ganoon ba talaga yung mga tao sa gun shops? yung sa twin pines ok naman kausap...

and anung gun club ang most recommended na salihan? sa may tondo area ako e so sana yung malapit lang din

thanks ulit

 

honestly, ganun rin ang nangyari sa akin when i went to Hahn looking to buy my first FA. you have better chances with the people in Twin Pines and Trust Trade (considering i don't recommend Taurus). never had problems with the people in PB Dionisio (where i bought my dad's rifle), Squire's( where i got my Tanfoglios and APP9). i wsould suggest you go to Makati Cinema Square when you shop around. i know medyo out of the way siya, but many of the major gun stores have a stall in the mall's basement, Federal Guns has theirs in the 1st floor. there are also 2 gun ranges here, armscor's and jethro's.