Barangay Ginebra Kings

[RED2018]

True. One of two things na kulang sa Ginebra ngayon. Pero I guess kelangan magmature ng laro ni Ferrer. Konting konti na lang Ellis 2.0 na sya eh. Mas madami pang turnovers kesa key plays.

I agree...KFer is not living up to the expectations; He was a known 3-point specialist before coming to the PBA, but his plays as of late ay mababa ang 3-pt percentage niya

[*badass*]

sa tingin ko lang kaya di nadedevelop ang mga 3 point shooters dahil na din sa system ni coach tim. ilang beses na din nyang sinabi yan na ayaw niya sa 3-point shot unless very necessary. kaya kung mapapansin natin panay ang pasa ng bola halos ayaw nang tumira. libre na ipapasa pa. unlike the system of guiao pag libre no hesitation na tumira.

[Richmond]

Pansin ko lang kagabi sa laro ng San Miguel kaya mas madali malibre si JMF kasi ang daming shooters ng SMB sabay nya maglaro si Arwind, Lassiter, Ross , Cabagnot, Huruela kahit si Espinas and Yancy may mga tira sa labas yan ang wala sa Ginebra panay set plays and triangle lang as of late nahahanapan na ng solution yan triangle ni Cone ng ibang teams kaya hindi na ganun ka effective

Edited April 5, 2018 by Richmond

[junix]

i agee...the triangle impedes the development of ginebra's outside shooters like ferrer, sabi ko nga before libre na ipapasa pa. lots of hesitation to shoot the ball. kaya malakas tayo pagdating ng 3rd conference because of the outside shooting of brownle. i swear give ferrer or even manuel the license to shoot, i'm sure they will deliver. just my 2 cents worth on the topic.

[Richmond]

i agee...the triangle impedes the development of ginebra's outside shooters like ferrer, sabi ko nga before libre na ipapasa pa. lots of hesitation to shoot the ball. kaya malakas tayo pagdating ng 3rd conference because of the outside shooting of brownle. i swear give ferrer or even manuel the license to shoot, i'm sure they will deliver. just my 2 cents worth on the topic.

Remember for a time CTC let the team play free flow offense rather than the triangle and it worked wonder why he shifted back to the triangle again which is ineffective with the type of players on his team right now if there is such a thing as a semi triangle CTC should device it now and give it a try

[mister DS]

Tim Cone will use, live and die with the Triangle offense, he doesn't believe nor rely in outside shooting which is normally being used in international tournament, and the Triangle offense was a proven system already for the last 2 PBA teams that he has handled (Alaska and Purefoods) wherein he got not only a multiple championships but a 2 rare Grand slam.

[daphne loves derby]

I may have to disagree on this mga dre.

 

The triangle needs shooters to work. Remember Alaska have Jolas (a pure shooter), Bong Hawkins (outside threat na laging kinukumpara ke Jervy), Poch Juinio na Center pero tumitira sa labas, Johnny A na shooter din, Kenneth Duremdes na isa ring deadly 3 pt shooter, Roel Gomez, Rodney Santos, etc, etc.. Sa B-Meg naman, kalakasan ni James Yap, Simon, Urbiztondo, Barroca puro outside threat din yang mga yan.

 

Walang problema sa triangle, ang problema eh mga players natin, hindi maka shoot "consistently" sa perimeter at sa tres. Ang SMB nag pa practice talaga ng tres ang mga shooters nila at talagang extra work sa outside shots, eh ang mga players kaya natin?

 

Simula nung masamang bagsak na injury ni Kfer (yung una mukha), parang hindi na bumalik yung dati niyang laro. Pansin niyo ba? The triangle is proven, parang dribble drive ng Tnt. Pag pumasok tres ng TNT, mahirap sila talunin, kasi wala silang inside threat, pag hindi, malimit talo sila. Unlike SMB, kung di napasok sa labas ang tira, bigay ke junmar ang bola.

 

Kaya hindi masyadong inlab sa 3 pt si CTC dahil alam niyang mababa ang % ng outside shots. Plus prone sa opponent fastbreak dahil long rebound pag mintis. Eh alam naman natin pag anjan si greg gusto tayong takbuhan ng kalaban lagi kahit sino pa yan. Eh lagi din nmn wala si Greg eh, so wala ding inside threat praa malibre ang outside gunners natin.. Buti si Japhet natututo na pumoste kaso hindi nag a attract ng double teams unlike greg so walang chance sa libreng tres tulad ng sa SMB.

 

Ang dapat gawin, mag move on na ke Greg, hindi I trade pero i build ang team/roster at plays without him. Always think na hindi sya magiging available. Bagay si Caperal at Raymond sa triangle kasi tumitira sa labas, konting exposure pa at confidence. Dapat talaga malaking import kunin dahil kung pagbalik ay ma injured na naman si barney, patay na naman tayo sa rebound vs malalaking imports. Make Greg part of the 2nd team na lang at malaking import ang ka tandem ni Japhet. ewan ko ba kung bakit di naiisip ni CTC to.

 

How can you win the Comms Cup against SMB's Rhodes - Junmar - Stanhardinger with JBL and a fragile greg? Si vernon macklin sa Magnolia pa napunta, eh dugong ginebra yun eh.

Edited April 5, 2018 by daphne loves derby

[Richmond]

Baka naman tulad ng last season na pag hindi mapirmahan si Brownlee sa 2nd conference hindi cya available sa 3rd conference dahil sa commitment sa ibang league

[daphne loves derby]

Baka naman tulad ng last season na pag hindi mapirmahan si Brownlee sa 2nd conference hindi cya available sa 3rd conference dahil sa commitment sa ibang league

 

Pwede naman syang i sign as stand in import. Backup kumbaga, that way the contract dispute can be avoided. Unless may implications na hindi natin alam.

[brun0magtangol]

I may have to disagree on this mga dre.

 

The triangle needs shooters to work. Remember Alaska have Jolas (a pure shooter), Bong Hawkins (outside threat na laging kinukumpara ke Jervy), Poch Juinio na Center pero tumitira sa labas, Johnny A na shooter din, Kenneth Duremdes na isa ring deadly 3 pt shooter, Roel Gomez, Rodney Santos, etc, etc.. Sa B-Meg naman, kalakasan ni James Yap, Simon, Urbiztondo, Barroca puro outside threat din yang mga yan.

 

Walang problema sa triangle, ang problema eh mga players natin, hindi maka shoot "consistently" sa perimeter at sa tres. Ang SMB nag pa practice talaga ng tres ang mga shooters nila at talagang extra work sa outside shots, eh ang mga players kaya natin?

 

Simula nung masamang bagsak na injury ni Kfer (yung una mukha), parang hindi na bumalik yung dati niyang laro. Pansin niyo ba? The triangle is proven, parang dribble drive ng Tnt. Pag pumasok tres ng TNT, mahirap sila talunin, kasi wala silang inside threat, pag hindi, malimit talo sila. Unlike SMB, kung di napasok sa labas ang tira, bigay ke junmar ang bola.

 

Kaya hindi masyadong inlab sa 3 pt si CTC dahil alam niyang mababa ang % ng outside shots. Plus prone sa opponent fastbreak dahil long rebound pag mintis. Eh alam naman natin pag anjan si greg gusto tayong takbuhan ng kalaban lagi kahit sino pa yan. Eh lagi din nmn wala si Greg eh, so wala ding inside threat praa malibre ang outside gunners natin.. Buti si Japhet natututo na pumoste kaso hindi nag a attract ng double teams unlike greg so walang chance sa libreng tres tulad ng sa SMB.

 

Ang dapat gawin, mag move on na ke Greg, hindi I trade pero i build ang team/roster at plays without him. Always think na hindi sya magiging available. Bagay si Caperal at Raymond sa triangle kasi tumitira sa labas, konting exposure pa at confidence. Dapat talaga malaking import kunin dahil kung pagbalik ay ma injured na naman si barney, patay na naman tayo sa rebound vs malalaking imports. Make Greg part of the 2nd team na lang at malaking import ang ka tandem ni Japhet. ewan ko ba kung bakit di naiisip ni CTC to.

 

How can you win the Comms Cup against SMB's Rhodes - Junmar - Stanhardinger with JBL and a fragile greg? Si vernon macklin sa Magnolia pa napunta, eh dugong ginebra yun eh.

 

+1

even sa chicago bulls paxson..armstrong...kerr.. kukoc...

problem lang talaga is consistency sa BGK they are consistently inconsistent

[RED2018]

In every offense pattern (pati na ang triangle offense) laging may option for outside (near and far) shooting...

 

The reason why it's the "triangle" offense is because you're using three players spaced apart from each other in a triangle pattern. In the original triangle offense, they were the guard, the wing and the center, with the guard initiating, the wing cutting, and the center posting. However, anyone can play any position, so you basically have the initiator, the cutter and the post player. The two remaining players on the weak side are essentially spot up shooters, but different sets allow them to cut, screen or draw the defense away from the triangle.

 

Actually, hindi first option ang spot shooting sa traingle offense, dahil ang fulcfrum ng offense nito ay kadalasang nasa 12-18 foot ng court, but if your facing versatile and/or quick defenders, eto na ang option to kick pass for spot up shooting.

Edited April 5, 2018 by artedpro

[*kalel*]

sa pag kakaintindi ng triangle, this is very defensible ng proper zone... ang zone binabasag ng 3s... therefore, 3s is not a part ng triangle...

 

let us not think na triangle is the only option ng gins... it is maybe the best option nila sa opensa... they can opt to use screens, kick outs, hi -lows, fast breaks etc.... I always believe na over hyped ang triangle with the success of the bulls pero sa proper execution, mahirap hirap ding depensahan...

 

sa nakita ko, kulang sila sa 3 point shooter and it is not because of the triangle, LA had blossomed to be a good shooter... pero si kfer medyo bumagal ang development because he is being ask to be a defensive stopper (1-1)... bawat player kasi me kana kanyang role and probably si kfer role is not to shoot unless he is free a far cry from his amateur role wherein, offensive player sya... maybe another benny cheng...

 

players are usually gauge sa practice nila and coaches tend to rely down sa magaling sa practice and ma translate sa laro..

[darksoulriver]

OT

 

obvious na pinahahaba pa ng SMB ang series

[Kazekage.Gaara]

Went to Ginebra's practice earlier, and eto ang updated injury list natin:

 

Slaughter

Taha

Jervy

Dela Cruz

[photographer]

OT

 

obvious na pinahahaba pa ng SMB ang series

 

Champion na SMB. mas lalong lalakas yang team na yan next papasok na si Standhardiner. Sobrang lakas

[darksoulriver]

 

Champion na SMB. mas lalong lalakas yang team na yan next papasok na si Standhardiner. Sobrang lakas

 

boss hindi naman pwede silang pagsabay-sabayin.. JunMar/Stan/Arwind babagal sila medyo babagal sila..

 

need tlaga ng BGK ay shooter at pamalit kay Slowter!

[*kalel*]

 

boss hindi naman pwede silang pagsabay-sabayin.. JunMar/Stan/Arwind babagal sila medyo babagal sila..

 

 

 

agree! in a hs team Dati, a teammate told me, 'oo lahat sila magaling, pero isa lang ang bola, defend the one with the ball'... the gins line up is the only line up that can match up with smb... basta healthy si greg hehehe

 

btw, ot, Junmar was 42-20 kagabi... seldom do I see that in a local team...

Edited April 6, 2018 by *kalel*

[photographer]

 

boss hindi naman pwede silang pagsabay-sabayin.. JunMar/Stan/Arwind babagal sila medyo babagal sila..

 

need tlaga ng BGK ay shooter at pamalit kay Slowter!

 

Ang nasa isip ko lang hindi nga puwedeng pagsaba sabayin pero kapag napagod ang isang magaling sa SMB............merong kapalit na halos same ang galing. Problem with Barangay kapag napagod ang magaling, malayo sa magaling ang papalit na medyo magaling.

[Kazekage.Gaara]

 

Ang nasa isip ko lang hindi nga puwedeng pagsaba sabayin pero kapag napagod ang isang magaling sa SMB............merong kapalit na halos same ang galing. Problem with Barangay kapag napagod ang magaling, malayo sa magaling ang papalit na medyo magaling.

Babalik pa rin tayo sa original na issue sa playing time na pinagmitingan nila noon.

[*kalel*]

me mga star players at me regular players... star players will obviously get more playing time...greg, japeth, jdv, la, scottie, sol and mark are currently the stars of the team,... prince, raymond, jervy, aljon, kfer and taha are back ups and relievers but they are making good axcounts of themselves... jett and jamito need to develop... art will be joining later... the team can match with any team in the pba provided greg is healthy (to match up with smb)... gsm is one consistent shooter away from unseating smb sa afc...

 

ginebra of old (pre marlou aquino) is not talent-laden... pero me nababangko rin... mike advani, roger buhay, ed ducut, mama mamaril etc... it is about who can deliver most.... playing time is earned...

 

on the team's missing piece, i think, as i have said, lacks 1 more consistent shooter that is why they are a different team w jbl ... defense anchor is not a problem with a slew of big men defending the paint... scottie, kfer and sol pestering the perimeter... (yes i am taking back what i said about sol that he cant defend)

[darksoulriver]

kung pinilit lng nila makakuha ng isa pang bigman pamalit sa sakiting Greg eh may tsansa ng kaunti sa depensa... wag asahan si Japeth dahil hindi nya masyado forte!

 

nalimit lng tlaga ni CTC sa 8-9 players kaya yung shooter na rookie na inaasahan hindi maka bwelo.

 

CTC may have his reasons if he see's offnite ang isang starter wag nang ipilit... look at the bench!

[Oliver Queen.]

Lumalabo sa araw araw chances nating makuha grand slam sad reality.

[Kazekage.Gaara]

Lumalabo sa araw araw chances nating makuha grand slam sad reality.

To be honest, never akong nangarap na makagrandslam ang Ginebra.

 

Yung manalo lang ng AFC, okay na ko dun.

[ProfilerX]

Needed talaga an explosive center like a new erik menk. ..

For the Gin Kings how i wish.?!

Edited April 9, 2018 by ProfilerX

[Kazekage.Gaara]

Needed talaga an explosive center like a new erik menk. ..

For the Gin Kings how i wish.?!

Not really. Kelangan lang nilang maging healthy and wag maging injury prone.