hobby Motorcycles and Scooters

[Guest lightspeed®]

sa SM magwindow shopping ka lang. sa quiapo dami rin. usually sa mga sports na boutique ka pumunta

 

leviticus, organize ka naman ng coffee eb tapos libre mo kami ng kape.

 

pero seriously, it's about time to bring out those bikes! let's all meet up then gawa tayo ng grupo.

 

MTC Riders!

[Guest Leviticus]

leviticus, organize ka naman ng coffee eb tapos libre mo kami ng kape.

 

pero seriously, it's about time to bring out those bikes! let's all meet up then gawa tayo ng grupo.

 

MTC Riders!

I'd love to organize and meet up [lalo na ngayon na wala nang latest MTC events]. however, I'm in Baguio right now.

 

hihi.. oo nga pala, aside sa 2 platenumbers si Sen. Brenda nagpropropose ng bill na ang mga motorcycles ay banned on the roads at 5 pm to 7 pm.

 

hay.. brendamage talaga.

 

kapag matuloy ang bill na yan, sagot ko ang pizza sa pizzahut. condition ko lang ay padeliver natin sa oras ng 5 pm to 7 pm. may promo ang pizzahut ng "if it's late, it's free" di ba?

[Guest lightspeed®]

hihi.. oo nga pala, aside sa 2 platenumbers si Sen. Brenda nagpropropose ng bill na ang mga motorcycles ay banned on the roads at 5 pm to 7 pm.

 

hay.. brendamage talaga.

 

HUWAAAT!?!?

 

:grr: gaga ba siya!

 

papano na lang tayong mga dukha!

[boomouse]

HUWAAAT!?!?

 

:grr: gaga ba siya!

 

papano na lang tayong mga dukha!

 

Excuse me, ang 'dukha' naglalakad lang. If you can afford a vehicle of any kind you are still better off than a large majority of the population.

[redshirt]

Guys sa England, dalawa din yung plaka. Yung sa harap nakakabit sa Windshield ng motor or sa tapalodo sa harapan....

[Guest lightspeed®]

Excuse me, ang 'dukha' naglalakad lang. If you can afford a vehicle of any kind you are still better off than a large majority of the population.

 

ikaw naman boom. binubuking mo kami eh. well, compared to you, dukha nga kami.

 

teka teka, naglalakad din naman ako... papuntang parking lot nga lang.

[boomouse]

ikaw naman boom. binubuking mo kami eh. well, compared to you, dukha nga kami.

 

teka teka, naglalakad din naman ako... papuntang parking lot nga lang.

 

Following your logic, dukha din ako--compared to First gentleman Mike Arroyo. At naglalakad din ako papunta't pabalik ng parking lot. :upside:

[jaystrd]

mga mcp member din yata d2

[Guest Leviticus]

^^regardless of mcp or mop or map, as long as the issue is the AO-15 it affects all riders

[Guest lightspeed®]

^^regardless of mcp or mop or map, as long as the issue is the AO-15 it affects all riders

 

Levi - pag lumusot pati yung billna ginagawa sa kotse, malamang, maglalakad na lang tao.

 

kelan ka baba ng baguio? let us know para makapag kape na. coffee eb mga riders.

[Guest Leviticus]

balita ko may dumating na malaking shipment ng mga japanese and american surplus bicycles. makahunting nga mamaya no offense sana sa mga nagcocommute pero maspipiliin ko pa ang magmotor kaysa magjeep/bus.

 

marami na akong horror stories sa pagcommute ko the past years eh, lalo na graveyard pa ako noon. hihi.. minsan nagmistulang KTV ang nasakyan kong bus papunta work dahil mga gro, mga "night walkers" with their respective bugaws, and mga lasing kumakanta kanta pa sila.

 

seriously though, regardless of the AO I'd still get me that sports bike. hinihintay ko lang ang developments ng mga motorcycle groups against this AO before ko ilabas. besides, panahon pa ng tagulan ngayon [sidenote, may bagyong Nina as I am writing this, at mahangin dito]. maybe one of these days balikan ko ang mcarthur highway.

 

the LTO has sealed its faith by imposing this AO-15, sabay propose pa sila na pati ang mga kotse ay magkaroon ng AO-35. sana pati mga PUV gawan na nila ng AO. I predict once that happens, suansing would need a bodyguard even if going to the bathroom sa probinsya ko, tricycle drivers have been stabbed for cutting in line for getting passengers, lalo pa kung maimpose ang mga OA na AO on the PUVs.

 

weird ano? ang mga tricycles hindi hinuhuli kahit busted na ang kanilang tail light pero sa mga private riders ay napakastrikto nila :thumbsdownsmiley:

[boomouse]

balita ko may dumating na malaking shipment ng mga japanese and american surplus bicycles. makahunting nga mamaya no offense sana sa mga nagcocommute pero maspipiliin ko pa ang magmotor kaysa magjeep/bus.

 

marami na akong horror stories sa pagcommute ko the past years eh, lalo na graveyard pa ako noon. hihi.. minsan nagmistulang KTV ang nasakyan kong bus papunta work dahil mga gro, mga "night walkers" with their respective bugaws, and mga lasing kumakanta kanta pa sila.

 

seriously though, regardless of the AO I'd still get me that sports bike. hinihintay ko lang ang developments ng mga motorcycle groups against this AO before ko ilabas. besides, panahon pa ng tagulan ngayon [sidenote, may bagyong Nina as I am writing this, at mahangin dito]. maybe one of these days balikan ko ang mcarthur highway.

 

the LTO has sealed its faith by imposing this AO-15, sabay propose pa sila na pati ang mga kotse ay magkaroon ng AO-35. sana pati mga PUV gawan na nila ng AO. I predict once that happens, suansing would need a bodyguard even if going to the bathroom sa probinsya ko, tricycle drivers have been stabbed for cutting in line for getting passengers, lalo pa kung maimpose ang mga OA na AO on the PUVs.

 

weird ano? ang mga tricycles hindi hinuhuli kahit busted na ang kanilang tail light pero sa mga private riders ay napakastrikto nila :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

Hindi weird yun. Ang tawag doon 'good business sense'. Wala sila masyado mapipiga sa tricycle boy.

[Guest lightspeed®]

Hindi weird yun. Ang tawag doon 'good business sense'. Wala sila masyado mapipiga sa tricycle boy.

 

boom, nilalabas mo pa ba bike mo?

[Guest Leviticus]

copy-paste ko lang eto ha. credit to the original author:

 

_____________________________________________________________

 

SCRAP LTO AHS-2008-015 NOW!!

 

The following are the questions, defects and inconsistencies stipulated in the LTO Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 and some of its provisions that are defective and unfair:

1. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #8. – Standard helmet shall mean the protective helmet approved by the DTI with PNS-UNECE 22 marking.

 

- This is prejudicial to many of our members and other riders who have purchased (before the AO) helmets which comply with the following standard accepted internationally:

 AS 1698 (Australia)

 CSA CAN3-D230-M85 (Canada)

 JIS T8133 (Japan)

 NZ 5430 (New Zealand)

 BS 6658:1985 (UK)

 DOT FMVSS 218 (USA)

 Snell M 2005

These helmets are very expensive but we are required by the AO to buy again (the UNECE 22 standard)

 

- The supply of UNECE 22 helmets in the city is not sufficient thus, disproportionate to the projected demand in sales brought on by the implementation of the AO. Thereby at least 95% of the riders will be apprehended.

- UNECE 22 is too expensive with a PhP 3,000.00 to PhP 30,000.00 price range. Most ordinary folks, such as motorcycle owners, cannot afford to buy these very costly helmets.

- Standard helmet is copied from Europe but our road standard, road safety procedures, traffic enforcement are way below European standard.

- If this is the only approved standard of helmet by DTI, the government should not allow the sale of other helmets commercially. Consumers must be protected. Hence, instead of forbidding the consumers from buying, the government should forbid the selling (of sub-standard helmet).

- What is most ironic is that most of the traffic enforcers on motorcycle in the city do not wear this prescribed helmet, yet they apprehend others.

 

2. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #10 – Saddle bag shall mean the DTI approved built-in carrier of luggage in the motorcycle.

 

- How many kinds of saddle bags were approved by DTI? Has the list of approved saddle bags been transmitted to the LTO Region XI for proper guidance?

- Does it mean that all saddle bags available in the market for the consumers are approved by the DTI?

- How will LTO determine if the said saddle bag is approved by DTI? How will the rider know if it is approved or not?

 

3. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 5 - Speed Limit.

 

- Suddenly the AO included not only motorcycle but cars, trucks and buses in this section. Why were cars, trucks and busses not included on Section 8 regarding modification? Why are motorcycles being singled out? Why not craft a comprehensive AO covering all motorized vehicles on land? It is LTO’s given mandate, right?

 

4. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 8 – Any modification of the original standard design of a motorcycle or scooter shall first be subject to the approval of LTO and the DTI.

 

- Why? The AO does not explain the reason or the rationale behind this. Is it because the AO say so? No justifications needed? Are LTO and DTI trying to raise funds from the fees collected for permits being issued? How much for a permit? Or is it free? Is this for safety purposes?

- Why motorcycles only? Cars, trucks, PUJs and busses not required to secure permit? Please explain answer.

- You want to call our motorcycle modified but we call it customized and personalized. Art can never be suppressed. Its freedom of expression plain and simple. It is our constitutional right.

- Please quantify the word modification. Specifics would be appreciated.

- Will changing of sparkplug not recommended by the manufacturer considered a modification? Change of rim size? Change of fenders, handlebars, gas tanks, taillights, mufflers etc considered modification? What are the parameters of a modified motorcycle?

- Instead of encouraging private enterprises (motorcycle shops, stores and manufacturers) to flourish, the LTO with its AO is doing the exact opposite. The AO simply discourages buying after-market products. There is a risk that the entire industry will grind to a halt because of the AO.

- Manufacturers like Yamaha encourage their patrons to modify their motorcycles. They even sponsor contests to promote customization. The contest is on-going where submission of entries is between July 15-September 30, 2008. (Ad @ Motorcycle magazine Vol 3 issue No. 4 June-July 2008. www.Yamaha-motor.com.ph) Therefore, it’s not true that modifying motorcycles is unsafe.

- Some after-market products are even superior in quality than the stock part. This might lead to corruption and more red tape if indeed permits are to be secured.

- DTI Regional Office XI was asked on how the owner of a modified motorcycle would secure his permit. Said office pleaded ignorance as it has yet to receive directives from its Central Office. No coordination between government agencies.

- LTO Regional Office XI admitted that they too are not ready to issue permits. If so, then why are they apprehending modified motorcycles? It is not stated under the AO that modifying is illegal as long as permits are secured. Despite the fact that LTO is not yet equipped to issue permits, still LTO deputies continue to apprehend modified motorcycles. This led to some riders not to use their motorcycles anymore and opting to commute instead. LTO must refund all those who have paid the fines. A public apology is also in order. However the aggrieved party may still file the appropriate charges in court.

 

5. AO AHS-2008-015 Section 11 – Penal and other Provisions

- The penalty clause of the AO is not only exorbitant but it is also anti-poor. We all know that most of the motorcycle owners in this country belong not to the affluent sector of the society but they are penalized heavier against their counter part who owns automobiles. To cite a very glaring discrepancy – seatbelt law violation is a mere PhP 150.00 fine while helmet law violation is a whooping PhP 1,500.00 (from PhP 150.00 before the AO). That is 10 times more. Is this fair? Modification of motorcycles without the necessary permits from DTI and LTO is a fine of PhP 2,000.00 but no penalty on modified cars, trucks, buses and even PUJs. No restrictions except for motorcycles. But we follow the same traffic signs follow the same traffic rules and use the same highways. Is this fair?

 

Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 of LTO entitled Rules and Regulation for the use and Operation of Motorcycles on Highways should not be implemented and must be amended due to its defects, flaws and its vagueness. It is not only prejudicial towards the motorcycle riding community by limiting and discouraging the growth the industry has achieved through the years but it may cause its complete destruction. It is very evident that the people who have crafted this AO consider us motorcycle riders as nuisance on the highways and are not deserving to use the same road alongside their air-conditioned SUVs. It also magnifies the glaring differences between the haves and the have-nots. The AO is completely devoid of anything that is a motorcycle enthusiast that takes pride in his art, his sub-culture, and his never ending quest for perfection not to mention his passion. For a span of one week, riders from the different motorcycle clubs, within the city, suffered from numerous harassment ranging from wearing short pants, bent mirror posts, modified mufflers, modified lights to not wearing heavy jackets from traffic enforcers. We the Riders, as we collectively call ourselves, shall not submit nor surrender our constitutional right for freedom of expression, and shall not stop to question any legislation that is in violation of our rights, detrimental to our development and an obstruction to our progress.

 

DANIEL J. SUNGA

President – Davao Agila Riders

Motorcycle Enthusiast

Rider

[buchike]

bkit sa makati may sarili clang law sa pag empose ng traffic violation as in prang may sarili clang mundo kc prang pag don ka nahuli iba ang rules...

[boomouse]

boom, nilalabas mo pa ba bike mo?

 

Tagal na hindi. Panay ang ulan. Hirap maglinis. Pag hindi malinis, hindi pwede itago dahil pagtumigas ang dumi lalong maraming problema. Pero kung may dahilan…

[boomouse]

SCRAP LTO AHS-2008-015 NOW!!

 

The following are the questions, defects and inconsistencies stipulated in the LTO Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 and some of its provisions that are defective and unfair:

 

I've been trying to understand how both sides see things on this discussion and have been doing some reading of my own. These are some of the things I have made out:

 

1. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #8. – Standard helmet shall mean the protective helmet approved by the DTI with PNS-UNECE 22 marking.

- This is prejudicial to many of our members and other riders who have purchased (before the AO) helmets which comply with the following standard accepted internationally:

 AS 1698 (Australia)

 CSA CAN3-D230-M85 (Canada)

 JIS T8133 (Japan)

 NZ 5430 (New Zealand)

 BS 6658:1985 (UK)

 DOT FMVSS 218 (USA)

 Snell M 2005

 

I use SNELL rated helmets. My understanding of the Snell test protocol is that it is more concerned with impact penetration which is the kind of protection that makes sense if you are riding a big bike at speed.

 

The test protocols for the UN ECE 22 standard puts emphasis on deceleration damage, or how to prevent your brain from sloshing around in your head and turning into halo-halo which is probably more suited protection for riders of small engined motorcycles. As there are more of this kind of bikes on the road, it stands to reason that our compliance requirements would lean towards this standard.

 

These helmets are very expensive but we are required by the AO to buy again (the UNECE 22 standard)

 

The riding environment and traffic environment anywhere in the world is dynamic. So riding ecosystems change too. It follows that the standards will have to adjust with this change. Even the DOT and SNELL ratings are updated. You may have a perfect-looking SNELL 95 Soumy or Arai but it is definitely not compliant or admissible for riding anywhere in the world.

 

- The supply of UNECE 22 helmets in the city is not sufficient thus, disproportionate to the projected demand in sales brought on by the implementation of the AO. Thereby at least 95% of the riders will be apprehended.

- UNECE 22 is too expensive with a PhP 3,000.00 to PhP 30,000.00 price range. Most ordinary folks, such as motorcycle owners, cannot afford to buy these very costly helmets.

- Standard helmet is copied from Europe but our road standard, road safety procedures, traffic enforcement are way below European standard.

- If this is the only approved standard of helmet by DTI, the government should not allow the sale of other helmets commercially. Consumers must be protected. Hence, instead of forbidding the consumers from buying, the government should forbid the selling (of sub-standard helmet).

- What is most ironic is that most of the traffic enforcers on motorcycle in the city do not wear this prescribed helmet, yet they apprehend others.

 

I agree that motorcycle riding law enforcers ought to have the book thrown at them for not wearing one. But just because they don't doesn't mean that ridiers must be absolved from wearing one. Even if you buy a P30k helmet, that cost is but a fraction of what you will spend to have corrective surgery on your skull. It is cheap insurance. Don't tell me these are not affordable. Anyone who has the money to spend on 'dress-up' parts for his bike can afford it. I have seen how much those things can cost.

 

2. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #10 – Saddle bag shall mean the DTI approved built-in carrier of luggage in the motorcycle.

 

- How many kinds of saddle bags were approved by DTI? Has the list of approved saddle bags been transmitted to the LTO Region XI for proper guidance?

- Does it mean that all saddle bags available in the market for the consumers are approved by the DTI?

- How will LTO determine if the said saddle bag is approved by DTI? How will the rider know if it is approved or not?

 

As someone who used to work in the car industry, I think that the same thinking that applied to factory-installed parts applies here. Any modification that will alter the balance, drivability, or safety of a motor vehicle against that of the model, form, type, variant submitted to the DTI for import permission is not allowed as a dealer-installed option unless resubmitted for DTI approval. It is irrelevant whether the modification improves or lessens performance or safety.

 

3. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 5 - Speed Limit.

 

- Suddenly the AO included not only motorcycle but cars, trucks and buses in this section. Why were cars, trucks and busses not included on Section 8 regarding modification? Why are motorcycles being singled out? Why not craft a comprehensive AO covering all motorized vehicles on land? It is LTO's given mandate, right?

 

4. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 8 – Any modification of the original standard design of a motorcycle or scooter shall first be subject to the approval of LTO and the DTI.

 

- Why? The AO does not explain the reason or the rationale behind this. Is it because the AO say so? No justifications needed? Are LTO and DTI trying to raise funds from the fees collected for permits being issued? How much for a permit? Or is it free? Is this for safety purposes?

- Why motorcycles only? Cars, trucks, PUJs and busses not required to secure permit? Please explain answer.

- You want to call our motorcycle modified but we call it customized and personalized. Art can never be suppressed. Its freedom of expression plain and simple. It is our constitutional right.

- Please quantify the word modification. Specifics would be appreciated.

- Will changing of sparkplug not recommended by the manufacturer considered a modification? Change of rim size? Change of fenders, handlebars, gas tanks, taillights, mufflers etc considered modification? What are the parameters of a modified motorcycle?

- Instead of encouraging private enterprises (motorcycle shops, stores and manufacturers) to flourish, the LTO with its AO is doing the exact opposite. The AO simply discourages buying after-market products. There is a risk that the entire industry will grind to a halt because of the AO.

- Manufacturers like Yamaha encourage their patrons to modify their motorcycles. They even sponsor contests to promote customization. The contest is on-going where submission of entries is between July 15-September 30, 2008. (Ad @ Motorcycle magazine Vol 3 issue No. 4 June-July 2008. www.Yamaha-motor.com.ph) Therefore, it's not true that modifying motorcycles is unsafe.

- Some after-market products are even superior in quality than the stock part. This might lead to corruption and more red tape if indeed permits are to be secured.

- DTI Regional Office XI was asked on how the owner of a modified motorcycle would secure his permit. Said office pleaded ignorance as it has yet to receive directives from its Central Office. No coordination between government agencies.

- LTO Regional Office XI admitted that they too are not ready to issue permits. If so, then why are they apprehending modified motorcycles? It is not stated under the AO that modifying is illegal as long as permits are secured. Despite the fact that LTO is not yet equipped to issue permits, still LTO deputies continue to apprehend modified motorcycles. This led to some riders not to use their motorcycles anymore and opting to commute instead. LTO must refund all those who have paid the fines. A public apology is also in order. However the aggrieved party may still file the appropriate charges in court.

 

Perhaps this is really a regulation aimed at motorcycles? Perhaps one for cars already exists?

 

5. AO AHS-2008-015 Section 11 – Penal and other Provisions

- The penalty clause of the AO is not only exorbitant but it is also anti-poor. We all know that most of the motorcycle owners in this country belong not to the affluent sector of the society but they are penalized heavier against their counter part who owns automobiles. To cite a very glaring discrepancy – seatbelt law violation is a mere PhP 150.00 fine while helmet law violation is a whooping PhP 1,500.00 (from PhP 150.00 before the AO). That is 10 times more. Is this fair? Modification of motorcycles without the necessary permits from DTI and LTO is a fine of PhP 2,000.00 but no penalty on modified cars, trucks, buses and even PUJs. No restrictions except for motorcycles. But we follow the same traffic signs follow the same traffic rules and use the same highways. Is this fair?

 

Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 of LTO entitled Rules and Regulation for the use and Operation of Motorcycles on Highways should not be implemented and must be amended due to its defects, flaws and its vagueness. It is not only prejudicial towards the motorcycle riding community by limiting and discouraging the growth the industry has achieved through the years but it may cause its complete destruction. It is very evident that the people who have crafted this AO consider us motorcycle riders as nuisance on the highways and are not deserving to use the same road alongside their air-conditioned SUVs. It also magnifies the glaring differences between the haves and the have-nots. The AO is completely devoid of anything that is a motorcycle enthusiast that takes pride in his art, his sub-culture, and his never ending quest for perfection not to mention his passion. For a span of one week, riders from the different motorcycle clubs, within the city, suffered from numerous harassment ranging from wearing short pants, bent mirror posts, modified mufflers, modified lights to not wearing heavy jackets from traffic enforcers. We the Riders, as we collectively call ourselves, shall not submit nor surrender our constitutional right for freedom of expression, and shall not stop to question any legislation that is in violation of our rights, detrimental to our development and an obstruction to our progress.

 

Suddenly, this is a political discussion?

 

Freedom of expression is your right to put a decal on your bike. Or paint a political message on it. But when you alter the way it drives and rides by modifying it, making it faster for instance, then that has nothing to do with your freedom to express yourself.

Edited September 25, 2008 by boomouse

[Guest Leviticus]

I've been trying to understand how both sides see things on this discussion and have been doing some reading of my own. These are some of the things I have made out:

 

 

 

I use SNELL rated helmets. My understanding of the Snell test protocol is that it is more concerned with impact penetration which is the kind of protection that makes sense if you are riding a big bike at speed.

 

The test protocols for the UN ECE 22 standard puts emphasis on deceleration damage, or how to prevent your brain from sloshing around in your head and turning into halo-halo which is probably more suited protection for riders of small engined motorcycles. As there are more of this kind of bikes on the road, it stands to reason that our compliance requirements would lean towards this standard.

 

The riding environment and traffic environment anywhere in the world is dynamic. So riding ecosystems change too. It follows that the standards will have to adjust with this change. Even the DOT and SNELL ratings are updated. You may have a perfect-looking SNELL 95 Soumy or Arai but it is definitely not compliant or admissible for riding anywhere in the world.

 

hihi.. sarap ng discussion.

 

the point of the original author was there are plenty of helmets in the market. why doesn't the LTO coordinate with DTI to standardize the available helmets? alam naman natin na utak pulboron ang mga LEO natin who either follow the law to the letter or make their own interpretation of it. I'm very sure there would be a market for STICKERS when proclaiming that a helmet is UN ECE 22 standard will come out just to show to the LEOs that the helmet is up to standards, kahit hindi.

 

 

I agree that motorcycle riding law enforcers ought to have the book thrown at them for not wearing one. But just because they don't doesn't mean that ridiers must be absolved from wearing one. Even if you buy a P30k helmet, that cost is but a fraction of what you will spend to have corrective surgery on your skull. It is cheap insurance. Don't tell me these are not affordable. Anyone who has the money to spend on 'dress-up' parts for his bike can afford it. I have seen how much those things can cost.

 

As someone who used to work in the car industry, I think that the same thinking that applied to factory-installed parts applies here. Any modification that will alter the balance, drivability, or safety of a motor vehicle against that of the model, form, type, variant submitted to the DTI for import permission is not allowed as a dealer-installed option unless resubmitted for DTI approval. It is irrelevant whether the modification improves or lessens performance or safety.

 

Perhaps this is really a regulation aimed at motorcycles? Perhaps one for cars already exists?

 

Suddenly, this is a political discussion?

 

Freedom of expression is your right to put a decal on your bike. Or paint a political message on it. But when you alter the way it drives and rides by modifying it, making it faster for instance, then that has nothing to do with your freedom to express yourself.

hmm.. ang labo kasi ng "modification". currently there are only two ways the LTO can restrict/apprehend modifications: through checkpoints and through the MVI. with the checkpoints, the crocs can only assess the overall appearance of the motorcycle: color of bike versus the color indicated in the OR/CR, decals, pipes, rearsets, mags, handlebars, etc. the checkpoints cannot apprehend light intensity and loudness. ano yun may built-in sensors ang mga LEO? also, there is no standard "how bright is bright" and "how loud is load" so until now hanggang sindak lang ang kaya nilang gawin.

 

now the MVI. dito pwede sila magtest ng brightness and volume but the last time I had my bike renewed, check lang ng busina, turn lights, and headlight to see if they are working; road worthiness lang.

 

ayun ang key words: road worthiness.

 

but with this AO, any modification whether it improves on the safety of the rider or not is considered a violation. they even have the excuse to say that it is for the rider's safety when they effectively took away our option of improving our safety. worse, they even have the gall to instruct us to go to DTI to get a permit for modification; when the DTI have no idea on the standards. there is no coordination between the DTI and LTO on this law; heck, the DTI is requesting the LTO to hold off implementing this AO until they can put together the specifics on the standards.

 

ang galing ano? you were apprehended on the modification clause and instructed to get a permit from DTI for approval for the modification. pagdating mo sa DTI they have no idea what you are talking about :thumbsdownsmiley: they have no procedure to follow to check for modification :thumbsdownsmiley: they have NOTHING :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

going back to our LEOs who are UTAK PULBURON; on the part of the safety gear: padding, helmet, boots, jacket, and raincoat. if they will follow the law to the letter.. huhu. mga sira ulo sila. huhuliin ka for not wearing raincoat kahit hindi umuulan?!? and it's possible too. tignan mo na lang sa SWERVING violation nila

 

hmm.. boots and jacket.. mukhang magandang business ang leather RTW ah :goatee:

Edited September 26, 2008 by Leviticus

[boomouse]

hihi.. sarap ng discussion.

 

the point of the original author was there are plenty of helmets in the market. why doesn't the LTO coordinate with DTI to standardize the available helmets? alam naman natin na utak pulboron ang mga LEO natin who either follow the law to the letter or make their own interpretation of it. I'm very sure there would be a market for STICKERS when proclaiming that a helmet is UN ECE 22 standard will come out just to show to the LEOs that the helmet is up to standards, kahit hindi.

 

 

I agree that motorcycle riding law enforcers ought to have the book thrown at them for not wearing one. But just because they don't doesn't mean that ridiers must be absolved from wearing one. Even if you buy a P30k helmet, that cost is but a fraction of what you will spend to have corrective surgery on your skull. It is cheap insurance. Don't tell me these are not affordable. Anyone who has the money to spend on 'dress-up' parts for his bike can afford it. I have seen how much those things can cost.

 

 

hmm.. ang labo kasi ng "modification". currently there are only two ways the LTO can restrict/apprehend modifications: through checkpoints and through the MVI. with the checkpoints, the crocs can only assess the overall appearance of the motorcycle: color of bike versus the color indicated in the OR/CR, decals, pipes, rearsets, mags, handlebars, etc. the checkpoints cannot apprehend light intensity and loudness. ano yun may built-in sensors ang mga LEO? also, there is no standard "how bright is bright" and "how loud is load" so until now hanggang sindak lang ang kaya nilang gawin.

 

now the MVI. dito pwede sila magtest ng brightness and volume but the last time I had my bike renewed, check lang ng busina, turn lights, and headlight to see if they are working; road worthiness lang.

 

ayun ang key words: road worthiness.

 

but with this AO, any modification whether it improves on the safety of the rider or not is considered a violation. they even have the excuse to say that it is for the rider's safety when they effectively took away our option of improving our safety. worse, they even have the gall to instruct us to go to DTI to get a permit for modification; when the DTI have no idea on the standards. there is no coordination between the DTI and LTO on this law; heck, the DTI is requesting the LTO to hold off implementing this AO until they can put together the specifics on the standards.

 

ang galing ano? you were apprehended on the modification clause and instructed to get a permit from DTI for approval for the modification. pagdating mo sa DTI they have no idea what you are talking about :thumbsdownsmiley: they have no procedure to follow to check for modification :thumbsdownsmiley: they have NOTHING :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

going back to our LEOs who are UTAK PULBURON; on the part of the safety gear: padding, helmet, boots, jacket, and raincoat. if they will follow the law to the letter.. huhu. mga sira ulo sila. huhuliin ka for not wearing raincoat kahit hindi umuulan?!? and it's possible too. tignan mo na lang sa SWERVING violation nila

 

hmm.. boots and jacket.. mukhang magandang business ang leather RTW ah :goatee:

 

I think the bottomline is that ANY regulation is of no consequence because enforcement is spotty. So the government policy should be:

 

• Let every road user be responsible for their own safety. Any bike rider injured in the head in a road incident (note I did not say 'accident') while not wearing a helmet cannot hold anyone responsible for his injuries no matter how culpable he or the other guy is. He cannot sue another vehicle driver, the MMDA (for the concrete bollards and dividers) or any local government.
  
• Any four wheeler driver injured as a result of not wearing his seat belts cannot lay blame or claim for medical costs resulting from his injuries from a road user involved in the incident, the government, or indeed, even his insurer.
  

It is not a question of not having enough money to buy protective gear. It is question of how much you must spend on a motocycle. People do notg include the cost of protective gear in their acquisition budget. That is wrong. We can never buy anything we cannot afford. To ride a bike, we must be able to afford the bike AND the protective gear because gear should be considered an intrinsic part of riding a motorbike.

[Guest Leviticus]

matitigas lang talaga ang ulo ng mga iba.. including my brother ewan ko ba bakit ayaw maghelmet.

 

the funny thing is, libre na nga ang helmet every time you buy your bike keyso yung tabo helmet or yung fullface

[Guest Leviticus]

maiba tayo..

 

speaking of those freebies from motorcycle showrooms [jacket, helmet, dvd, radio, tv, cellphones, etc] ang hinahanap ko na freebie is

 

a full tank of gas

 

so far wala pa akong nakikitang nagooffer ng ganyan na libre

[boomouse]

maiba tayo..

 

speaking of those freebies from motorcycle showrooms [jacket, helmet, dvd, radio, tv, cellphones, etc] ang hinahanap ko na freebie is

 

a full tank of gas

 

so far wala pa akong nakikitang nagooffer ng ganyan na libre

 

Meron bro pero dapat bilhin mo Expedition or Dodge Durango. Meron P30k worth of gas na freebie. Sa Expe, and katumbas noon mga 4 na full tank. Kung taga QC at office mo sa Makati, isang full tank aabot ng 4 na araw kung hindi ka mahilig gumala. So, yun free gas mo wala pang isang buwan perder na.

[Guest Leviticus]

today there is a workshop/talk between some concerned government officials, riders association and the LTO regarding the AO. points of discussion would be:

 

protective gears: helmets, pads, boots, raincoat

modification

penalties

 

ang masasabi ko lang..

 

bakit ba pati ang sinusuot natin ay papakialaman na nila? I believe only an IDIOT will not take precautions to ensure his/her safety. I mean.. kailangan pa ba gawing LAW ang pagsuot ng helmet? same is true with cagers, kailangan pa ba gumawa ng seatbelt law?!?

 

eh sa US there are only some states who have a helmet law. other countries in asia do not have helmet laws.

 

in my opinion, gasgas na ang rason na "its for your safety/protection". hay..tama nga ang nabasa ko na maskailangan ang education kaysa sa regulation. gawin na lang nilang optional ang pagsuot ng helmet mabuti pa. yung mga ayaw magsuot ng helmet bahala sila sa kanilang safety/protection. kung nabagok sila sa ulo kasalanan nila for being an IDIOT.

[Guest Leviticus]

update lang.

 

the AO was suspended! wheeeeeee. :thumbsupsmiley: pati standards on helmet ay suspended, but mandatory pa rin na magsuot ng helmet.

 

now.. could someone please clarify something. matagal ko nang hinahanap ang rason para dito. bakit ang mga tricycle drivers hindi covered sa slippers and helmet law?

[boomouse]

bakit ba pati ang sinusuot natin ay papakialaman na nila? I believe only an IDIOT will not take precautions to ensure his/her safety. I mean.. kailangan pa ba gawing LAW ang pagsuot ng helmet? same is true with cagers, kailangan pa ba gumawa ng seatbelt law?!?

 

eh sa US there are only some states who have a helmet law. other countries in asia do not have helmet laws.

 

in my opinion, gasgas na ang rason na "its for your safety/protection". hay..tama nga ang nabasa ko na maskailangan ang education kaysa sa regulation. gawin na lang nilang optional ang pagsuot ng helmet mabuti pa. yung mga ayaw magsuot ng helmet bahala sila sa kanilang safety/protection. kung nabagok sila sa ulo kasalanan nila for being an IDIOT.

 

Until they change our laws that pertain to traffic liability, a helmet law must be enforced to protect the other road users from the cretins who insist on not using one because on the off chance that you hit one such idiot and he dies because his head makes friends with the pavement, you are still liable even if the impact of the accident would not even have caused injuries beyond a few scratches.

 

Dito kasi sa bayan na ito, pag ang sasakyan na may apat na gulong tumama sa sasakyan na dalwang gulong, ang immediate perception ay yun naka apat na gulong ang may pananagutan (hindi kasalanan ha, pananagutan). Last week meron akong tinamaan na naka XRM dahil habang lumiliko ako ng kanan, biglang sinubukan akong unahan sa kanan did. Dinaybanan ako sa kanto ng ugok akala niya pag-umobertake ka sa H2 pareho sa pag overtake sa kapwa motorsiklo.

 

Tapos hihingan pa ako ng pang X-ray at ng kung ano ano. Sa bwisit ko sabi ko sa kanya mag demanda na lang siya. Pina demanda ko na rin mg damage to property. Nakakaawa sana pero pagpinagbigyan hindi magtatanda eh. Hindi pa naka helmet. Swerte niya puro putik na malambot yun hukay na nahulugan niya kung hindi mapipirmi siya sa hukay.