Overrated Nba/pba Players

[jopoc]

Uhm, your friend told me I have a bias for the Cs so I showed him an article from a Celtic hater. It's more credible if it's from a Celtic hater than a Celtic fan, isn't it? Ok then, tell me how the Cs couldn't be the greatest team of all-time with 17 championships? Certainly I'll give more credence to a Laker fan than Magic fan since the Cs are the Lakers' greatest and most bitter rival.

 

 

im a magic fan, but i believe that the lakers are the greatest team of all time because of its consistency. give me a decade where the lakers never a contender or at least, made it to the finals. give me 5 years of no show in the playoffs.

 

i consider consistency as a best criteria rather than the number of rings, which the lakers is not far behind from the celtics.

 

here's your problem, you attack the person giving opinion rather than the opinion itself.

Edited November 25, 2010 by jopoc

[Guest eljuego]

im a magic fan, but i believe that the lakers are the greatest team of all time because of its consistency. give me a decade where the lakers never a contender or at least, made it to the finals. give me 5 years of no show in the playoffs.

 

i consider consistency as a best criteria rather than the number of rings, which the lakers is not far behind from the celtics.

 

here's your problem, you attack the person giving opinion rather than the opinion itself.

Haha! Yeah sure they consistently make the Finals and they are have a 50% winning rate in the Finals. The Celtics may have lesser trips to the Finals and they still have an 81% winning rate. It's not about the consistency, it's about winning the championship. The thing is, the Lakers have had 9 more trips than the Celtics yet they're still one short of the Cs when it comes to championships.

 

Huh? Attacked? I was asking him to answer questions from the article he posted. He couldn't defend it.

 

Since he's a friend of yours, perhaps you could answer in lieu of him. Explain to me how the Spurs could be better than the Bulls. Furthermore, enlighten me on how the Suns, which has nothing in its trophy case, be better than the the 3-time champion Pistons and the 2-time champion Rockets.

 

 

[jopoc]

Haha! Yeah sure they consistently make the Finals and they are have a 50% winning rate in the Finals. The Celtics may have lesser trips to the Finals and they still have an 81% winning rate. It's not about the consistency, it's about winning the championship. The thing is, the Lakers have had 9 more trips than the Celtics yet they're still one short of the Cs when it comes to championships.

 

 

i did not say anything about consistently winning the finals. my point is simple, the lakers is more consistent in being one of the top teams in the league. in any given decade they made it to the finals, and in any given span of 3 (or 5) years, they made it to the playoffs.

 

kumbaga sa boston, there are time that they are really good, and there are time that they really suck. that is not the case of the lakers. i think there was a season that the celtics were last in the standings, which never happened to the lakers.

 

 

 

 

 

Huh? Attacked? I was asking him to answer questions from the article he posted. He couldn't defend it.

 

 

 

the attack i was saying is about your argument. you argue that you would give more credence to a laker fan than a magic fan. that is an absurdity. like i said, no matter what my team is, i look at everything objectively. i base my arguments on fact, not who made the opinion or view.

 

 

 

 

Since he's a friend of yours, perhaps you could answer in lieu of him. Explain to me how the Spurs could be better than the Bulls. Furthermore, enlighten me on how the Suns, which has nothing in its trophy case, be better than the the 3-time champion Pistons and the 2-time champion Rockets.

 

 

i cant explain other person's opinion. that's his and its his responsibility to answer to it.

 

besides, i treat everybody here in mtc is my friend, that includes you. i dont make enemies here.

[Guest eljuego]

i did not say anything about consistently winning the finals. my point is simple, the lakers is more consistent in being one of the top teams in the league. in any given decade they made it to the finals, and in any given span of 3 (or 5) years, they made it to the playoffs.

 

kumbaga sa boston, there are time that they are really good, and there are time that they really suck. that is not the case of the lakers. i think there was a season that the celtics were last in the standings, which never happened to the lakers.

 

the attack i was saying is about your argument. you argue that you would give more credence to a laker fan than a magic fan. that is an absurdity. like i said, no matter what my team is, i look at everything objectively. i base my arguments on fact, not who made the opinion or view.

Consistently winning the Finals is always better than consistently being in the Finals especially if you only won 3 times in the 11 championship meetings with your bitter rival.

 

Yeah, true, the Celtics sucked in the 90s and the early part of the millenium. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it but inspite of their 22 years of championship futility, the Lakers had all the chances to become the greatest of all-time by winning championships. 1991, 2004 and 2008. Had they won the 3 or even just one against the Cs, they would have been the greatest team of all-time as we speak.

 

As to my saying that I give more credence to a Laker fan than a Magic fan, it is coz traditionally Laker fans hate the Cs with a passion than a Magic fan. For a Laker fan to say that the Cs are the greatest team of all-time inspite of his hatred means that he was not wearing his purple and gold goggles when he wrote that article.

Edited November 25, 2010 by eljuego

[jopoc]

Consistently winning the Finals is always better than consistently being in the Finals especially if you only won 3 times in the 11 championship meetings with your bitter rival.

 

Yeah, true, the Celtics sucked in the 90s and the early part of the millenium. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it but inspite of their 22 years of championship futility, the Lakers had all the chances to become the greatest of all-time by winning championships. 1991, 2004 and 2008. Had they won the 3 or even just one against the Cs, they would have been the greatest team of all-time as we speak.

 

 

like i said, on a yearly basis, except on a few years where they missed the playoffs, the lakers maintained at a competitive level. boston did not.

 

if you will make a point system for every finish made (like the F1 where a first place gets 25, 2nd gets 20, something like that), you will come up with a total where the lakers will beat the celtics.

 

for me, its not always about winning the rings, its about being competitive on a consistent basis.

[Guest eljuego]

You and Hollinger have the same opinion while me and the Laker fan have the same opinion. To each his own coz if you ask me, it's all about the championships won. At the end of the day, fans only remember the champions, not the runners-up.

[jopoc]

You and Hollinger have the same opinion while me and the Laker fan have the same opinion. To each his own coz if you ask me, it's all about the championships won. At the end of the day, fans only remember the champions, not the runners-up.

 

 

which explains the bias. right?

[Guest eljuego]

which explains the bias. right?

I'm just stating what fans would remember. What's the bias there? Anyway, since we're a bit OT.....

 

 

Si Dante Gonzalgo underrated

 

 

[jopoc]

I'm just stating what fans would remember. What's the bias there? Anyway, since we're a bit OT.....

 

 

Si Dante Gonzalgo underrated

 

 

obvious, because you are a celtics' fan, you can only see the championship.

unless, of course, you are claiming to be the spokesperson of every fan in the world.

 

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para hindi rin OT.... underrated si derrick rose. the guy is the best PG in the east. look at what he just did to the suns.

Edited November 25, 2010 by jopoc

[dencio]

You and Hollinger have the same opinion while me and the Laker fan have the same opinion. To each his own coz if you ask me, it's all about the championships won. At the end of the day, fans only remember the champions, not the runners-up.

 

Then these are fair-weather or bandwagon fans! True fans know everything about their teams - both the good times and the hard times. By remembering the times when the team was down makes fans more appreciative when their team does well.

[Guest eljuego]

obvious, because you are a celtics' fan, you can only see the championship.

unless, of course, you are claiming to be the spokesperson of every fan in the world.

 

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para hindi rin OT.... underrated si derrick rose. the guy is the best PG in the east. look at what he just did to the suns.

Aren't championships the standard by which great teams are measured?

 

I think Derrick Rose is not underrated. As for being the best PG in the east, that's quite a stretch considering there's Rondo. But that's your opinion.

 

 

[jopoc]

Then these are fair-weather or bandwagon fans! True fans know everything about their teams - both the good times and the hard times. By remembering the times when the team was down makes fans more appreciative when their team does well.

 

 

right on the money!!!

 

 

Aren't championships the standard by which great teams are measured?

 

 

it is just one of the criterias.

not really the standard.

 

 

 

 

I think Derrick Rose is not underrated. As for being the best PG in the east, that's quite a stretch considering there's Rondo. But that's your opinion.

 

rose is the team leader of the bulls and the top scoring PG in the league at 47.6% FG, not very far from rondo's 50%. but he made more FGs (120) than the total attempts made by rondo (118) this season.

 

if you think its rondo just because he has an overwhelming stat in the assists dept, then that's your opinion. for me kasi, you cannot be good in assists if your teamates cannot shoot the ball.

[peithe]

I believe ang haba na ng discussion about this before, uulitin na naman ba ulit para magsara ang thread na ito?

 

Ganito lang yan, if the number of NBA Titles won determines the best franchise, then obviously to determine who the NBA's best player of all time is should be based on MVPs won. Kareem has 6, MJ and Russel both 5. How come MJ is acknowledged as the best NBA player of all time? Obviously there are other factors considered. Further, in the voting for who the year's MVP would be, hindi naman paramihan lang ng 1st place votes diba. May puntos para sa 2nd place and 3rd place votes at kung sino ang mas madaming puntos un ang MVP. Madaling intindihin kung bubuksan ang pagiisip. Pero kung sagrado ka sa pagiisip na numero uno ang Boston, well so be it.

 

Tama ka, may pagkakataon ang Lakers na makuha ang isa pang titulo upang tumabla o di kaya'y mas higit sa isa upang umungos sa paramihan ng bilang ng kampeonato. Hindi mo rin ba naisip na may pagkakataon rin naman kayong makakuha ng mas maraming Conference titles para mahigitan din ang LA sa usaping ito? Hindi po ba may pagkakataon din kayong pakontiin ang inyong losing season kung ikukumpara sa LA? Ito'y argumento mo at ibinalik ko lang naman ang tanong kasi applicable naman.

 

Since pinaniniwalaan mo na lang din naman ang hater na nagsabing para sa kanya numero unong franchise ang celtics, I suppose naniniwala ka rin sa sinabi niyang magpakasaya na kayo coz it won't take long for LA to get another championship and when that happens LA na ang numero uno coz LA got the tie breaker advantage. Ako tanggap ko yan. Siguro naman tanggap mo rin ang kanyang pinagsasabi kay KG? Otherwise, tama si Jopoc, just because his argument is favorable to you then his opinion becomes the benchmark for this argument. But otherwise, he is just another pain in the ass for you and your Celtics.

[dencio]

^^ Huwag na ibalik ang nakaraan. Panay supalpal din lang naman ang inabot ni Mega noon eh.

 

Back to topic, Joe Johnson is proving to be the most over-valued (thus over-rated) of this year's free agent batch. Swerte na lang ng Hawks at nasa East sila. Kahit na .500 lang puede maka-pasok sa playoffs.

[jopoc]

^^ Huwag na ibalik ang nakaraan. Panay supalpal din lang naman ang inabot ni Mega noon eh.

 

Back to topic, Joe Johnson is proving to be the most over-valued (thus over-rated) of this year's free agent batch. Swerte na lang ng Hawks at nasa East sila. Kahit na .500 lang puede maka-pasok sa playoffs.

 

 

i thought megalodon expected him to become a celtic after the off-season.

what happened?

 

 

anyway, joe will be the next shard in terms of being overpaid.